COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[MarquetteDano]

Not going to get into the debate over the COVID deaths and whether it was an hoax.

However,  as a business owner (non-scientist) I will say this: most of the reason humanity has progressed as far as it has is mainly due to science.  Whether it be physics,  medicine,  biology,  chemistry, . et al.  most of our standard of living can be directly attributed to various scientific discoveries.

Inventors have been great,  but most of their inventions were directly attributable to scientific theories, or they themselves applied science to their discovery.

Will never understand the anti-science vibe in certain segments of society.  Truly sad.

[forgetful]

Not going to get into the debate over the COVID deaths and whether it was an hoax.

However,  as a business owner (non-scientist) I will say this: most of the reason humanity has progressed as far as it has is mainly due to science.  Whether it be physics,  medicine,  biology,  chemistry, . et al.  most of our standard of living can be directly attributed to various scientific discoveries.

Inventors have been great,  but most of their inventions were directly attributable to scientific theories, or they themselves applied science to their discovery.

Will never understand the anti-science vibe in certain segments of society.  Truly sad.

Another thing re. science. Is it is usually meant to be a slow process where we build upon other insights and mistakes. It is an iterative process of growth, sometimes setbacks, but always trying to improve on models and knowledge.

What people are seeing play out in real time, in public, is what usually goes on behind the scenes. New discoveries...new experiments and data...realization that the discoveries were incomplete or wrong...refine the conclusions...collect more data, and on and on.

6 months ago we didn't even know what this virus was. The amount of data and discoveries we have made in that timeframe is mesmerizing, and should be applauded. It is sad when people focus on things individuals got wrong. Each incorrect answer, will likely lead to 5-10 new discoveries. Respect the process and keep scienceing.

[GooooMarquette]

Not going to get into the debate over the COVID deaths and whether it was an hoax.

However,  as a business owner (non-scientist) I will say this: most of the reason humanity has progressed as far as it has is mainly due to science.  Whether it be physics,  medicine,  biology,  chemistry, . et al.  most of our standard of living can be directly attributed to various scientific discoveries.

Inventors have been great,  but most of their inventions were directly attributable to scientific theories, or they themselves applied science to their discovery.

Will never understand the anti-science vibe in certain segments of society.  Truly sad.

Very well stated Dano.

[Lennys Tap]

Another thing re. science. Is it is usually meant to be a slow process where we build upon other insights and mistakes. It is an iterative process of growth, sometimes setbacks, but always trying to improve on models and knowledge.

What people are seeing play out in real time, in public, is what usually goes on behind the scenes. New discoveries...new experiments and data...realization that the discoveries were incomplete or wrong...refine the conclusions...collect more data, and on and on.

6 months ago we didn't even know what this virus was. The amount of data and discoveries we have made in that timeframe is mesmerizing, and should be applauded. It is sad when people focus on things individuals got wrong. Each incorrect answer, will likely lead to 5-10 new discoveries. Respect the process and keep scienceing.

Forgetful

People want definitive answers and want them immediately - they don't have a basic understanding of how science works. Thanks to you, Dano and others for keeping us on track.

[muguru]

Very well stated Dano.

Science is useful in a lot of instances. However, when it's clearly something else (that should be obvious to any intelligent person) but being masked as "science" is when it's a problem. For instance, it wasn't "rocket science" to know, everyone in the world didn't need to be locked down for months. What should have happened from day 1 was we isolate or "lock down" the most vulnerable. Instead, people with agenda's peddled lies and misconception and got people to believe something that never was a necessity for many different reasons. Science will never be wiser then common sense. All it took was common sense to see thru a lot of this. Unfortunately we live in a world where so many lack that common sense.

[MU82]

At the very least, do yourselves a favor and listen to Mark Belling and Rush Limbaugh.

We learned from Limbaugh that COVID-19 "is a cold, the common cold."

That was this year. A few years back, we learned from him that all those who illegally use drugs should be imprisoned ... until he got caught illegally using drugs. Then he wasn't as sure that imprisonment was the right punishment for those who illegally used drugs.

And of course, we also learned from him that the only reason Donovan McNabb got any credit was because he was black. Yet another great "lesson" from an old white racist.

[jesmu84]

Science is useful in a lot of instances. However, when it's clearly something else (that should be obvious to any intelligent person) but being masked as "science" is when it's a problem. For instance, it wasn't "rocket science" to know, everyone in the world didn't need to be locked down for months. What should have happened from day 1 was we isolate or "lock down" the most vulnerable. Instead, people with agenda's peddled lies and misconception and got people to believe something that never was a necessity for many different reasons. Science will never be wiser then common sense. All it took was common sense to see thru a lot of this. Unfortunately we live in a world where so many lack that common sense.

I assume you're trying to say that the lockdown was pushed by the libs in an attempt to hurt Trump's re election chances.

If so, why did other countries also lockdown way before the virus hit the US?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Another thing re. science. Is it is usually meant to be a slow process where we build upon other insights and mistakes. It is an iterative process of growth, sometimes setbacks, but always trying to improve on models and knowledge.

What people are seeing play out in real time, in public, is what usually goes on behind the scenes. New discoveries...new experiments and data...realization that the discoveries were incomplete or wrong...refine the conclusions...collect more data, and on and on.

6 months ago we didn't even know what this virus was. The amount of data and discoveries we have made in that timeframe is mesmerizing, and should be applauded. It is sad when people focus on things individuals got wrong. Each incorrect answer, will likely lead to 5-10 new discoveries. Respect the process and keep scienceing.

Good points, forgetful.

Would be smart of people from all perspectives to remember that, especially many of the "smart people" here that stifle and ridicule anything that doesn't fit their "expert" opinion.

[mu03eng]

What I want to know is who told Guru this board was here. That person should be beaten.

[GooooMarquette]

Science is useful in a lot of instances. However, when it's clearly something else (that should be obvious to any intelligent person) but being masked as "science" is when it's a problem. For instance, it wasn't "rocket science" to know, everyone in the world didn't need to be locked down for months. What should have happened from day 1 was we isolate or "lock down" the most vulnerable. Instead, people with agenda's peddled lies and misconception and got people to believe something that never was a necessity for many different reasons. Science will never be wiser then common sense. All it took was common sense to see thru a lot of this. Unfortunately we live in a world where so many lack that common sense.

It is neither intelligent nor common sense to ignore what the most current scientific data says. Choose to believe otherwise if you wish.

[shoothoops]

Near 100% ICU capacity in Arizona for COVID-19.

https://twitter.com/MelissaBlasius/status/1269020760393146374?s=19

Banner Health Statement:

https://twitter.com/BannerHealth/status/1270094394570321921?s=19

https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/5321075002?cid=twitter_azcentral&__twitter_impression=true

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Science is useful in a lot of instances. However, when it's clearly something else (that should be obvious to any intelligent person) but being masked as "science" is when it's a problem. For instance, it wasn't "rocket science" to know, everyone in the world didn't need to be locked down for months. What should have happened from day 1 was we isolate or "lock down" the most vulnerable. Instead, people with agenda's peddled lies and misconception and got people to believe something that never was a necessity for many different reasons. Science will never be wiser then common sense. All it took was common sense to see thru a lot of this. Unfortunately we live in a world where so many lack that common sense.

His full name is Mu Guru Dunning-Kruger

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

This is interesting info potentially.  Also there is evidence that China had the genome sequenced at some point in Dec.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/501621-researchers-satellite-images-hint-coronavirus-started

[mu03eng]

This is interesting info potentially.  Also there is evidence that China had the genome sequenced at some point in Dec.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/501621-researchers-satellite-images-hint-coronavirus-started

I firmly believe we are on the tail of wave two and wave three in the fall could be bad if we aren't careful. I think wave one was November/December.

General statement, there is nothing magical of wave 2 versus a wave 3 in terms of severity, just depends on how serious we take it and what we learn/prepare between waves

[pbiflyer]

More info on the WHO's release of information. Read all the subsequent tweet.

https://twitter.com/aslavitt/status/1270135499659923458?s=21

[The Sultan]

Maybe US was right to be skeptical about WHO.  Because it doesn't make sense that it has spread how it has if asymptomatic spread is "rare."

[tower912]

I am in a state with nearly 60k confirmed cases and 5500 deaths.  There was asymptomatic spread.

[GooooMarquette]

Maybe US was right to be skeptical about WHO.  Because it doesn't make sense that it has spread how it has if asymptomatic spread is "rare."

Agreed.

Part of the way science works (especially in response to new pathogens) is that different researchers and institutions often have different opinions based upon the data they are seeing and the way they get their message out. WHO seems to have become an outlier in this debate, which is why I said yesterday that we should take pause with the statement WHO put out. CDC and state and local health officials, as well as scientists worldwide, still seem to think that it makes sense to wear masks and use calculated shutdowns to limit spread. For now, I am going to believe the great majority of medical experts.

[wadesworld]

Heard on the news that a study suggests the US prevented over 5M cases of covid by quarantining.

[injuryBug]

It still comes down to people being smart and staying home when sick and keeping kids home from school when sick.  This falls back on employers that do not want to give sick time to employees

Just following the simple rule of stay home if sick will cut down the spread especially as school starts back up.

[Uncle Rico]

Heard on the news that a study suggests the US prevented over 5M cases of covid by quarantining.

You should listen to Rush Limbaugh

[MUfan12]

It's obvious not enough of you were influenced by the great Professor McAdams while you were at Marquette. Had you been, you would be a lot more knowledgeable of what is really happening in this country instead of allowing yourselves to just believe everything the liberal media tells you. It's baffling how many people are really that naive, but here we are..

Did you take his classes?

I took three of them. And one of them was about debunking a conspiracy theory. Something I've used quite a bit lately.

[Galway Eagle]

Guru hot take: "listen to guy who Rants opinions that agree with mine, dropped out of southeastern Missouri state after two semesters and you'll become smart! Screw that stupid guy who is in charge of NIAID and has his medical degree from Cornell, and worked under rational politicians from both parties for years making disease his life's work."

[GooooMarquette]

Guru hot take: "listen to guy who Rants opinions that agree with mine, dropped out of southeastern Missouri state after two semesters and you'll become smart! Screw that stupid guy who is in charge of NIAID and has his medical degree from Cornell, and worked under rational politicians from both parties for years making disease his life's work."

And don't forget to use lots of question marks and exclamation points.

[MU82]

guru doing some classic Leon Letting.

https://youtu.be/NPZ7oEac7Uc

Might want to get into the end zone before celebrating.