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Author Topic: Markus' head?  (Read 2872 times)

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Re: Nothing Important
« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2020, 06:22:03 PM »
Baddley did not “take out” our leading scorer.  Literally.  Markus didn’t miss one second as a result of that play.  And the play itself wasn’t dirty.  It was two guys going full speed in transition.  Take off your blue and gold glasses and stop using this as an excuse for why we lost.

With Marquettes short bench and Symirs inexperience Markus almost had to play. Though after the foul he didn't play like he normally does. It reminded me of the Providence game when the refs let the Friars knock Markus around. He didn't look very good at the end of that game either, though this game was much worse.

You're wrong about the foul that wasn't called. It was a dirty play and should have been reviewed as a flagrant foul. I call it like I see it.

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« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2020, 09:42:42 PM »
He should have
 Still worthy of a look at the monitor and a Flagrant 1- excessivecontact above the shoulders
 My opinion, it is on of the myriad of reasons why we lost, but not as important as not changing defenses on Kamar. Kamar is not a 3 point shooter. Play some zone. Double on the screens...something. If Coach does that, we don't even need to see Markus try to take over.

To your first point , I agree, Markus wasn't right, but with Marquettes short bench who do you put in?? Symir was getting roasted and Greg is out.

To your second point, I agree, if the refs would have looked at it and assessed a flagrant foul it may have changed the game.

To your third point, I mostly agree, but Baldwin was making some tough shots. It wasn't all bad defense, some of it was better offense. If Markus had been scoring on the other end like he normally does, Marquette still wins that game. I contend that the hit he took to his head was the key factor.

Fair take though.

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Re: Markus' head?
« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2020, 10:00:39 PM »
I took a few screenshots (quality is best I could get) of the play and am just not seeing any elbow or malicious intent like a few others have mentioned.

Screenshot #1: Butler guy goes up with both hands as if to block the ball.

Screenshot #2: Best evidence I could find of an "elbow"

Screenshot #3 & #4: Markus appears to turn his head towards the hoop as if to see if the ball went in. Don't think he'd make that reaction if he just got clocked in the head.

Screenshot #5: Head hitting the chair.

  thank you for this!  i was just going to post my recollection of that the announcers pointed out that his head hit the chair(not an elbow to the melon) and something about it not being the fan's faults because of the tight quarters/seating arrangements etc etc.   

 i sometimes wonder about the schools need to make money-fans in folding chairs, positions of camera crews and safety of the players.   
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« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2020, 10:17:05 PM »
  thank you for this!  i was just going to post my recollection of that the announcers pointed out that his head hit the chair(not an elbow to the melon) and something about it not being the fan's faults because of the tight quarters/seating arrangements etc etc.   

 i sometimes wonder about the schools need to make money-fans in folding chairs, positions of camera crews and safety of the players.

The announcers, and every other blind umpire, missed the elbow to the head. Fortunately tower and others have the game on dvr and Markus definitely took an elbow to the head. The only real debate is whether it was intentional. I contend it was because of the exaggerated arm movement by Baddley. Others disagree. That's fine.

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« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2020, 02:05:13 AM »
The announcers, and every other blind umpire, missed the elbow to the head. Fortunately tower and others have the game on dvr and Markus definitely took an elbow to the head. The only real debate is whether it was intentional. I contend it was because of the exaggerated arm movement by Baddley. Others disagree. That's fine.

I've rewatched it a couple of times. While I agree there was an elbow to the head, I have no idea what "exaggerated arm movement" you are referring to. I see absolutely no evidence of it being intentional. Maybe it was, but I'm not sure what has convinced you that it's a certainty.
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Re: Markus' head?
« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2020, 10:31:59 AM »
Maybe this is related ... Markus missed 14 3PA, the most by a Big East player in a conference game since 2009.

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« Reply #56 on: January 26, 2020, 01:37:18 PM »
I've rewatched it a couple of times. While I agree there was an elbow to the head, I have no idea what "exaggerated arm movement" you are referring to. I see absolutely no evidence of it being intentional. Maybe it was, but I'm not sure what has convinced you that it's a certainty.

Somebody just posted a video of the play and at the end of the attempted block Baddley swings his right arm at Markus. His body actually turns in Markus' direction like he was targeting him.

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« Reply #57 on: January 26, 2020, 01:43:20 PM »
Somebody just posted a video of the play and at the end of the attempted block Baddley swings his right arm at Markus. His body actually turns in Markus' direction like he was targeting him.

Still not seeing it. It looks like an attempted block of a layup to me. Sometimes hard contact happens.
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Re: Markus' head?
« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2020, 01:45:14 PM »
Still not seeing it. It looks like an attempted block of a layup to me. Sometimes hard contact happens.

Pay attention to the turning of his body toward Markus when he swings his right arm down on his head.

It's also interesting to watch Baddleys actions after the play. He slinks away because he knows what he did.
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Re: Markus' head?
« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2020, 01:48:17 PM »
Somebody just posted a video of the play and at the end of the attempted block Baddley swings his right arm at Markus. His body actually turns in Markus' direction like he was targeting him.

We are now 36 hours removed from the incident, and have read ~50+ posts from you on this one particular play.  How long should we plan on you continuing to post on that play?
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Re: Markus' head?
« Reply #60 on: January 26, 2020, 01:54:19 PM »
Pay attention to the turning of his body toward Markus when he swings his right arm down on his head.

It's also interesting to watch Baddleys actions after the play. He slinks away because he knows what he did.

Yeah...you have what we call confirmation bias. I'm not seeing what you are seeing and even if I was, it would tell us zero about his intentions.
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Re: Markus' head?
« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2020, 01:57:22 PM »
Yeah...you have what we call confirmation bias. I'm not seeing what you are seeing and even if I was, it would tell us zero about his intentions.
I see the contact, though it certainly looks unintentional.

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« Reply #62 on: January 26, 2020, 02:13:04 PM »
Yeah...you have what we call confirmation bias. I'm not seeing what you are seeing and even if I was, it would tell us zero about his intentions.

The angle Baddley took to block the shot did not allow for his body to blade in the direction of Markus unless it was intentional.

By the way, what did you think of Baddleys reaction??

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« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2020, 02:20:52 PM »
We are now 36 hours removed from the incident, and have read ~50+ posts from you on this one particular play.  How long should we plan on you continuing to post on that play?

It's  obvious you don't care about Markus getting hammered and the effect it had on his game. That's fine.

You do you.

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Re: Markus' head?
« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2020, 02:22:54 PM »
The angle Baddley took to block the shot did not allow for his body to blade in the direction of Markus unless it was intentional.

By the way, what did you think of Baddleys reaction??
I think you should have your own head checked. No seriously, you are over the top obsessing.

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Re: Markus' head?
« Reply #65 on: January 26, 2020, 02:27:06 PM »
I think you should have your own head checked. No seriously, you are over the top obsessing.

Noted, another scooper who doesn't care about Markus getting hammered and how it affected his game. That's fine.

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« Reply #66 on: January 26, 2020, 02:37:51 PM »
Noted, another scooper who doesn't care about Markus getting hammered and how it affected his game. That's fine.

You do you



I care about Markus. I also care about truth and your slandering of another player.
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« Reply #67 on: January 26, 2020, 02:47:48 PM »

I care about Markus. I also care about truth and your slandering of another player.

Intentional fouls and flagrant fouls are part of the game. I'm sure you've never seen a cheap shot before in basketball.

That play was intentional in my opinion and I think the video supports it.

It's part of a bigger issue with Markus, as he's  had his share of getting beat up and not getting calls.

You have your opinion, that's fine.

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« Reply #68 on: January 26, 2020, 02:51:20 PM »
Intentional fouls and flagrant fouls are part of the game. I'm sure you've never seen a cheap shot before in basketball.

That play was intentional in my opinion and I think the video supports it.

It's part of a bigger issue with Markus, as he's  had his share of getting beat up and not getting calls.

You have your opinion, that's fine.

You do you

I will. Maybe you should stop claiming that others don’t care about Markus’ health.
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« Reply #69 on: January 26, 2020, 02:57:44 PM »
I will. Maybe you should stop claiming that others don’t care about Markus’ health.

I started this thread because no one seemed to be interested in Markus' condition or the lack of a call on what I thought was a flagrant foul.

People make lots of claims on message boards, the only people who should be bothered by my statement are those with a guilty conscience.

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« Reply #70 on: January 26, 2020, 02:58:40 PM »
I started this thread because no one seemed to be interested in Markus' condition or the lack of a call on what I thought was a flagrant foul.

People make lots of claims on message boards, the only people who should be bothered by my statement are those with a guilty conscience.

You’re tiresome.
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« Reply #71 on: January 26, 2020, 03:09:07 PM »
You’re tiresome.

Maybe it's time for your afternoon nap.