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What's in store for Markus on June 25th, 2020?

Lottery Pick. Can't deny him after he carried MU to a NC behind 35ppg in the tourney.
0 (0%)
1st Round. That deep NCAA run was sweeeet.
11 (6.9%)
Guaranteed Money (2nd Round). Worth a shot on the leading scorer All-American.
66 (41.3%)
Late 2nd Round. You can't teach size.
68 (42.5%)
Undrafted. Size concerns plus late season collapse spells G-league or Europe.
15 (9.4%)

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Re: M2N
« Reply #50 on: January 23, 2020, 04:06:06 PM »
Is Jimmer Fredette a less obvious comp?

I feel like Markus will follow a similar path, professionally, to Jimmer.

We'll, Jimmer was the #10 overall pick in 2011. So for Draft purposes at least, Markus loves that comparison.
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« Reply #51 on: January 23, 2020, 04:17:11 PM »
Good call.

Another thing to add:  I suspect GM's there is a very small component of a GM's decision-making process to be able to defend their draft choices - as far as rationale for selection.  Would be hard to fault a GM for taking Markus late first/second round.
That’s a huge difference. It’s the difference for a GM. 2nd rounders have been flyers, where 1st rounders need to be hits for GMs to keep their jobs.

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« Reply #52 on: January 23, 2020, 05:23:43 PM »
That’s a huge difference. It’s the difference for a GM. 2nd rounders have been flyers, where 1st rounders need to be hits for GMs to keep their jobs.

I'm not sure that's really the case.
Draft picks outside the lottery have relatively low value in the NBA these days, which is why good teams are so willing to part with them. I don't think any GM is losing a job over missing on late picks.

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« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2020, 05:46:02 PM »
I'm not sure that's really the case.
Draft picks outside the lottery have relatively low value in the NBA these days, which is why good teams are so willing to part with them. I don't think any GM is losing a job over missing on late picks.

Yeah it's kinda crazy, NFL you accumulate as many picks as possible, and even late rounders have value. outside of the top 5-10 in the NBA is essentially just trade fodder

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« Reply #54 on: January 23, 2020, 05:58:47 PM »
Is Jimmer Fredette a less obvious comp?

I feel like Markus will follow a similar path, professionally, to Jimmer.

Cometely agree.

Markus and Jimmer are about as close of a basketball comparison as you can make between two players.

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« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2020, 06:02:27 PM »
Are there any really short spot up shooters? The ones that come to mind are all kinda lengthy

If a spot up shooter is short, it's easier to close out on him/his shot.

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« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2020, 06:25:16 PM »
Are there any really short spot up shooters? The ones that come to mind are all kinda lengthy

If a spot up shooter is short, it's easier to close out on him/his shot.

Right. Which is why I think he will need to be a point.
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« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2020, 07:57:54 PM »
I have a very hard time seeing him going undrafted as the NCAA leading scorer on a high-major team in a very competitive big east, a Wooden finalist and 1st team all-american. If he isn't those things it's likely that he (and by extension the team) will have done very poorly the rest of the season.




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« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2020, 10:16:57 PM »
“More the knowledge, lesser the ego. Lesser the knowledge, more the ego.” Albert Einstein a note for some posters

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« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2020, 01:25:57 AM »

Nice call

Again - AND leading high-major scorer (two-years in a row no less!)
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« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2020, 05:39:58 AM »
Are there any really short spot up shooters? The ones that come to mind are all kinda lengthy

If a spot up shooter is short, it's easier to close out on him/his shot.

Lou Williams is 6-1, and he plays off the ball a lot. The Hornets have been using Terry Rozier, at 6-1, a ton as a catch-and-shoot guy. Later in his career, Jason Terry became more of a spot-up shooter than a true PG. Craig Hodges was generously listed as 6-2, and he had no trouble getting open 3s during 10 years standing behind the arc as a spot-up shooter.

It's not common ... but then again 6-footish guys playing key roles for NBA teams isn't very common, period.

Markus has a quick release, and he would find himself quite open fairly regularly in the NBA. On a per-minute basis, he probably would get way more wide-open 3 looks in the NBA than he has these last couple of years at Marquette, where ever defense keys on him.

That doesn't mean he wouldn't play some PG if he makes an NBA roster. He just hasn't exhibited many great, NBA-level PG skills so far IMHO.
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« Reply #61 on: January 24, 2020, 06:55:03 AM »
Again - AND leading high-major scorer (two-years in a row no less!)

Yeah I mean there's no perfect comparison but I do think that's a pretty darn good one
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« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2020, 06:51:45 PM »
The other thing is this.   What type of defender gives Markus the most trouble?    Long armed defenders who are as quick as he is.    What is nearly every single guard in the NBA?    A long armed defender who is as quick as he is.    I hope I am wrong.     He is an amazing player and an amazing representative of our university.   I just keep doing a mental check of sub 6' players in the NBA and compare them to Markus.      I hope his truly elite shooting skills are enough.

I believe this to be the case.  If he is drafted it will be late 2nd round.

There were two PGs under 6ft drafted last year in Carsen Edward and Tremont Waters. Both are currently in the G league. I think both are more athletic but not as good shooters.

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« Reply #63 on: January 24, 2020, 07:06:44 PM »
Found a post from last year when discussing Markus where 4never said that Markus hadn't improved under Wojo.    I love that.   
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« Reply #64 on: January 24, 2020, 07:28:34 PM »
Found a post from last year when discussing Markus where 4never said that Markus hadn't improved under Wojo.    I love that.

Ya gotta give Doc a break. He was a little woozy from celebrating the fact that Wojo missed on a couple of 5-star recruits. He's still bummed that we got Dawson.
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« Reply #65 on: January 24, 2020, 08:10:49 PM »
Found a post from last year when discussing Markus where 4never said that Markus hadn't improved under Wojo.    I love that.

JayBee had M2N from Day 1 at MU. Feather in his cap there. Stan said Markus would be a program changer. Markus shot 50% from 3 as a frosh. Markus generally went home every summer and trained under his brother. Not sure Wojo is the source of Markus’s improvement?

If Wojo made an impact it was by giving him the ultimate green light and sticking with that for three years - despite there being times it wasn’t beneficial, caused chemistry issues, and ultimately transfers.

When a coach has your back to this extent and gives the longest leash, no doubt that helps to extract the most out of a player.  So..that where I see Wojo making the biggest mark on Markus.
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« Reply #66 on: January 24, 2020, 09:08:31 PM »
JayBee had M2N from Day 1 at MU. Feather in his cap there. Stan said Markus would be a program changer. Markus shot 50% from 3 as a frosh. Markus generally went home every summer and trained under his brother. Not sure Wojo is the source of Markus’s improvement?

If Wojo made an impact it was by giving him the ultimate green light and sticking with that for three years - despite there being times it wasn’t beneficial, caused chemistry issues, and ultimately transfers.

When a coach has your back to this extent and gives the longest leash, no doubt that helps to extract the most out of a player.  So..that where I see Wojo making the biggest mark on Markus.
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« Reply #67 on: January 24, 2020, 09:34:40 PM »
Markus is a better player and shooter overall, but Russ Smith from Louisville is another good more contemporary comp

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« Reply #68 on: January 24, 2020, 09:41:11 PM »
For a NPOY candidate, Markus does not get the proportionate respect from the officials.   He can get literally wrestled into a turnover and knocked to the ground without calls.
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« Reply #69 on: January 24, 2020, 09:42:55 PM »
For a NPOY candidate, Markus does not get the proportionate respect from the officials.   He can get literally wrestled into a turnover and knocked to the ground without calls.

And freedom of movement is out the window in regards to him. He gets held/pushed off the ball constantly.

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« Reply #70 on: January 24, 2020, 10:48:38 PM »
Ah, Markus crapped da bed tonite. Just sayin', hey?
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« Reply #71 on: January 24, 2020, 10:49:24 PM »
Check his numbers from the 11:34 minute mark onward after getting mugged twice in a row.   
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« Reply #72 on: January 24, 2020, 10:53:12 PM »
Check his numbers from the 11:34 minute mark onward after getting mugged twice in a row.

Marshall said it after the game...Markus hoisted some baaaad shots.

(If you're wondering, yes, if they had gone, they'd have been great shots)

 

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