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Re: Wring out a Hoya
« Reply #100 on: January 19, 2020, 06:40:33 AM »
12.2 posts a day.  Somebody find this man a hobby.
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Re: Wring out a Hoya
« Reply #101 on: January 19, 2020, 07:14:27 AM »
He feels like a cut rate Devendorf to me.   Some players just rub you the wrong way.

Now we know how CUSA felt about Travis.

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Re: Wring out a Hoya
« Reply #102 on: January 19, 2020, 07:38:28 AM »
He feels like a cut rate Devendorf to me.   Some players just rub you the wrong way.

Well, he’s white, a guard, an opponent and a pretty good scorer. So there’s that. High effort guy, so there’s that, too. But I don’t see the dirty player aspect that Devendorf brought. I’d take him on my team.

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« Reply #103 on: January 19, 2020, 07:42:25 AM »
Well, he’s white, a guard, an opponent and a pretty good scorer. So there’s that. High effort guy, so there’s that, too. But I don’t see the dirty player aspect that Devendorf brought. I’d take him on my team.

Perfectly summarized. I’d take him in a heartbeat on MU too.

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Re: Wring out a Hoya
« Reply #104 on: January 19, 2020, 07:49:34 AM »
That drop step and basket McClung had late off a scramble was a great move.  He’s very skilled

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Re: Wring out a Hoya
« Reply #105 on: January 19, 2020, 07:53:17 AM »
Very solid analysis.

Yep.

In my opinion some people have Theo foul fatigue (rightly so) and don't want to keep blaming Theo and go after the refs. Now every game and every foul is different and needs to be treated as such for accuracy. But fouls are fouls. Jayce had a text book example when entry pass into lane, he was not able to keep Georgetown big out of lane. So two hands on back on catch. That is a foul, easy call.

Moving your feet more, playing with your lower half more, trying to keep opposingbigs out of lane without fouling.

Also, perimeter screens. Set the screen without fouling. If it is not successful, that is better than foul trouble. And, there is little need to foul a mid range big jumper.

Jayce had 9 and 8 in 22 minutes or so. He had somw D challenges at times. Theo needs to avoid early foul trouble and get into some rythm. He had a nice catch and seal basket. A little more O is nice. But if he can be what he was on Nova game would be great. Rim protector without fouling and rebounder double digit.

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Re: Wring out a Hoya
« Reply #106 on: January 19, 2020, 07:58:35 AM »
Player stats yesterday don’t tell story of a great team win yesterday.  Key contributions from a lot of guys in clutch spots, or they don’t win.

 Guys like Johnson and McEwen looking much more comfortable and relaxed in their roles. McEwen’s scoring has been very disappointing, but 9 assists, 1 turnover yesterday was very impressive.  Hopefully he’ll find some semblance of consistency with his shot eventually. Until then, he certainly can impact games other ways.

Keep building on these last two wins.

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Re: Wring out a Hoya
« Reply #107 on: January 19, 2020, 08:20:59 AM »

What really bothers me is the random officiating.  I really felt like 2/3 of the fouls called (both ways, by the way) were totally random.  The same exact thing was not a foul on previous and subsequent possessions.

The only one I really felt that way about was the moving screen on Jayce -- who did the exact same thing every big, including Jayce, had done all game long. Why the ref felt like calling it there, I don't know.

Bottom line: A good team overcomes less-than-stellar officiating. No ref forced Markus to miss 4 FTs, Koby to air-mail a pass, Sacar to miss a wide-open 3, etc, etc, etc. The great news is our guys overcame their own mistakes (didn't make that many of them, really), a game Georgetown team, and, yes, not the best officiating to score an important, well-deserved road victory.

Player stats yesterday don’t tell story of a great team win yesterday.  Key contributions from a lot of guys in clutch spots, or they don’t win.

 Guys like Johnson and McEwen looking much more comfortable and relaxed in their roles. McEwen’s scoring has been very disappointing, but 9 assists, 1 turnover yesterday was very impressive.  Hopefully he’ll find some semblance of consistency with his shot eventually. Until then, he certainly can impact games other ways.

Keep building on these last two wins.

That's two games in a row in which our Warriors played darn well for darn near an entire game. We are getting better.

I'm excited about the rest of the season. That doesn't mean all the games will be perfect or easy. Folks need to look around the Big East, and look around all of college basketball. Any win is a good win, and few (if any) losses are "tragic."

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Re: Wring out a Hoya
« Reply #108 on: January 19, 2020, 08:33:54 AM »
My wife and I were at the game and our guys really earned this win. The Hoya crowd went totally bonkers when they tied late in the game. No way that does not work on a team, no matter how many times they have experienced it. Kudos to Gtown for a good game and making our guys prove themselves. It's good for us in the long run.

We were fortunate to have 6 MU fans right in front of us and 3 more behind us a few rows and the comraderie was great! We ranged from '03 and '04 grads up to '60s grads behind us. Lots of high fiving with other MU fans in the corridors afterwards. MU82 was supposed to be stopping by to say hello at halftime but he was a no show.  ;D



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Re: Wring out a Hoya
« Reply #109 on: January 19, 2020, 08:35:13 AM »

Depising someone because they play on a different team is probably not consistent with the values of Marquette University.
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Re: Wring out a Hoya
« Reply #110 on: January 19, 2020, 08:47:15 AM »
The refshow started when Breeding decided he needed to prove his alpha status and gave the MU bench a warning just minutes into the game. He quickly followed this up with calling Markus for an (awful) offensive foul on a 3 attempt. I believe he was still demonstrating that he's the top dog at that point as well.

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Re: Wring out a Hoya
« Reply #111 on: January 19, 2020, 09:10:17 AM »
So, I am not perfect.    Loathe Powell,  loathed the collection of guards on last year's SJU team.   Martin from Butler.   Almost anybody who played for Huggins.   Having said that, I will never wish an injury on an opponent.    I just want Marquette to whup them.
In all fairness, there are some guys that you just want to punch in the face. Wojo was like that for me when he played for Duke. Other teams’ fans certainly had Rowsey on their list. McClung falls into this category for me. With that said, I would love that guy if he was playing for Marquette.

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Re: Wring out a Hoya
« Reply #112 on: January 19, 2020, 09:21:28 AM »
Yep.

In my opinion some people have Theo foul fatigue (rightly so) and don't want to keep blaming Theo and go after the refs. Now every game and every foul is different and needs to be treated as such for accuracy. But fouls are fouls. Jayce had a text book example when entry pass into lane, he was not able to keep Georgetown big out of lane. So two hands on back on catch. That is a foul, easy call.

Moving your feet more, playing with your lower half more, trying to keep opposingbigs out of lane without fouling.

Also, perimeter screens. Set the screen without fouling. If it is not successful, that is better than foul trouble. And, there is little need to foul a mid range big jumper.

Jayce had 9 and 8 in 22 minutes or so. He had somw D challenges at times. Theo needs to avoid early foul trouble and get into some rythm. He had a nice catch and seal basket. A little more O is nice. But if he can be what he was on Nova game would be great. Rim protector without fouling and rebounder double digit.
When teams play 5 out like Nova, and drive and dish or drive and try to score....this is when Theo excels.  Coming over from the weak side or from space to block a shot is his game.  One on one in the post against a capable big..Theo is foul prone.  So, to say he needs to be like he was in the Nova game aint gonna happen against most teams.

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« Reply #113 on: January 19, 2020, 09:32:47 AM »
Lots of high fiving with other MU fans in the corridors afterwards. MU82 was supposed to be stopping by to say hello at halftime but he was a no show.  ;D

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« Reply #115 on: January 19, 2020, 10:06:54 AM »
He feels like a cut rate Devendorf to me.   Some players just rub you the wrong way.

He has a very punchable face
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« Reply #116 on: January 19, 2020, 10:54:58 AM »
I'm a big optimist, but I admit that when Jayce got #4 with 11-something left, I turned to the guy next to me and said, "Crap, we are so screwed."

Nice work by the bigs to make it through till the end.
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« Reply #117 on: January 19, 2020, 11:05:22 AM »
I'm a big optimist, but I admit that when Jayce got #4 with 11-something left, I turned to the guy next to me and said, "Crap, we are so screwed."

Nice work by the bigs to make it through till the end.

First off, I think it may help that the bigs now have to be conscious of committing fouls as your last sentence points out. But, if I recall, I don't think a single foul by Theo or Jayce was protecting the rim yesterday. That can't happen.

Second, I'd like to see Wojo put on the spot and see what he can do if both guys foul out. Does he consider that possibility during practices? Does he ever have Cain and Bailey on the floor at the same time without a big during practice?

Wojo has not shown in 5 years that he can coach "outside the box". Does he have to even consider that now?

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« Reply #118 on: January 19, 2020, 11:07:23 AM »
I'm a big optimist, but I admit that when Jayce got #4 with 11-something left, I turned to the guy next to me and said, "Crap, we are so screwed."

Nice work by the bigs to make it through till the end.

Theo came back in with 4 at the 8:03 mark or so and I asked my wife "how long until he fouls out?" Without missing a beat she said "One minute." I can't believe he lasted until the end, though it did mean some soft defending on Yurtseven at times.
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« Reply #119 on: January 19, 2020, 11:28:01 AM »
First off, I think it may help that the bigs now have to be conscious of committing fouls as your last sentence points out. But, if I recall, I don't think a single foul by Theo or Jayce was protecting the rim yesterday. That can't happen.

Second, I'd like to see Wojo put on the spot and see what he can do if both guys foul out. Does he consider that possibility during practices? Does he ever have Cain and Bailey on the floor at the same time without a big during practice?

Wojo has not shown in 5 years that he can coach "outside the box". Does he have to even consider that now?

Do you really believe that with TJ and JJ rep for fouling that coaches with a  few more years in the business than us have not this under consideration.  I thinks that very remote.

I think the more intriguing question is how we (the fans) would handle the line up when this happens as compared to what the coaches do..
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« Reply #120 on: January 19, 2020, 11:49:35 AM »
I thought two of Theo's fouls today were total BS. I thought the same about two of Jayce's.

I'm tired of guys reputations being used as justification for getting calls. If it's a foul call it. If it isn't don't. That goes for players on offense as well. McClung got several weak calls, while Markus had a three wiped off the scoreboard on another BS call.

I'm glad Marquette won, but with Ed gone the team cannot afford to have Theo and Jayce getting unearned fouls. Especially against the better teams in the conference. Those calls could have very easily cost Marquette the Georgetown game.

There was also a couple of shaky screens set by them that were not called.  I don't think they get an unfair whistle.  The second foul on Johnson, where Yurtseven caught a ball in the middle of the lane with Johnson behind him, was iffy.  But other than that, I really thought the fouls were fouls.
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« Reply #121 on: January 19, 2020, 03:15:13 PM »
There was also a couple of shaky screens set by them that were not called.  I don't think they get an unfair whistle.  The second foul on Johnson, where Yurtseven caught a ball in the middle of the lane with Johnson behind him, was iffy.  But other than that, I really thought the fouls were fouls.

This kinda seems to be an unfair whistle and definitely not a foul.

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« Reply #122 on: January 19, 2020, 03:19:54 PM »
This kinda seems to be an unfair whistle and definitely not a foul.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1218963987909554176

That whole thread just makes me mad. I could even let the Bailey one slide considering situation and he was reaching forward toward Mac. But the paint fouls (and Markus 3) yesterday were atrocious

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« Reply #123 on: January 19, 2020, 03:20:10 PM »
That was the one that blew my mind.  Yurtseven is going shoulder to shoulder with Theo as he starts his movement.   The gets his right arm up with his elbow by his side to protect against the bump.   Does not extend his arm at all.   Foul.
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« Reply #124 on: January 19, 2020, 03:22:01 PM »
The refshow started when Breeding decided he needed to prove his alpha status and gave the MU bench a warning just minutes into the game. He quickly followed this up with calling Markus for an (awful) offensive foul on a 3 attempt. I believe he was still demonstrating that he's the top dog at that point as well.

that was nasty, but markus handled it like a leader.  he knew what was going on.  takes a lot of character to let that one go
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