Why MU Lost to Providence - A look into the Weaknesses of Wojo

[rocky_warrior]

If you can't control what your players do on the court, especially when your star player is a senior.....then you're not a good coach.  The message isn't getting across to players for some reason or another.  Not enough is being done.

Well, the "not a good coach" though his team was impatient, and didn't execute the game plan

https://www.youtube.com/embed/TYqFMhHIl-g?start=210

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Well, the "not a good coach" though his team was impatient, and didn't execute the game plan

https://www.youtube.com/TYqFMhHIl-g?start=210

I'm telling ya Rocky... if they had a better coach they might win a few more games a year just based on in game coaching alone.  What I am curious about though and you alluded to it a bit is..... what are the practices like?  I'd like to see the difference between a wojo practice and a bo ryan/tony bennett one for example.  That'd be an interesting contrast.

[rocky_warrior]

I'm telling ya Rocky... if they had a better coach they might win a few more games a year just based on in game coaching alone.

Oh, I don't disagree!

[cheebs09]

MU had one timeout after they went up by 3. You got to foul with around 7 seconds left.

I don't agree you foul with 7 seconds left. At that point, they aren't forced to miss. You can make both free throws and make MU have to inbound. If MU misses a free throw, 5 seconds is enough for a good look to win.

I think the number has to be closer to 3-4 seconds.

[The Sultan]

This team misses Sam. Sam was a very legit option besides Markus.

They miss Dwyane Wade too. That's about as relevant.

[Mike Deane's Seat Belt]

The roster we have is 90% mid major talent level.   We lost our two other high major type players ( and joey had yet to prove that).   

Bailey our second best player ......... ish

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

The roster we have is 90% mid major talent level.   We lost our two other high major type players ( and joey had yet to prove that).   

Bailey our second best player ......... ish

They're missing a Power Forward and another PG for sure.  That'd clean up all the holes in the rotation, giving the balance they're missing, and take pressure off of Howard.

[CTWarrior]

They're missing a Power Forward and another PG for sure.  That'd clean up all the holes in the rotation, giving the balance they're missing, and take pressure off of Howard.

I'm just going to say it and I know I'll get hammered for it, but I think Rowsey and Howard and their free reign is a big reason why we don't have more, better complimentary players.  If I was recruiting against Marquette the last couple years, I'd be saying "Rowsey and Howard control the ball and always look to call their own number first and the coaches apparently want that, and Hauser gets whatever scraps are left.  You want to be the post on that team, and just set screens all day and beg for a pass that never comes?  You want to be the third or fourth wheel on that bus?  Have fun with that."

[Markusquette]

This, 100%.

I feel like this is easy to forget for a lot of fans. Sam is/was looking like a borderline NBA player for a while. Losing him has definitely hurt. Not as much Joey. But if Sam were still around people would not be calling for Wojo's head nearly as much. And it seems Sam may still be around if his brother never joined the team.

[muwarrior69]

Where were you on Saturday when we beat Nova bullet pointing all of Wojo's strengths? Just asking. We lost by one point, but for you getting rid of Wojo and starting all over is the better option. We know your opinion, but the season is not over. A loss at Creighton does not mean a loss over Nova any more than a win over Nova meant a win over Providence. My expectations for this season after the Hausers quit the team are not high, but are playing better than I expected so far.

[muwarrior69]

I'm just going to say it and I know I'll get hammered for it, but I think Rowsey and Howard and their free reign is a big reason why we don't have more, better complimentary players.  If I was recruiting against Marquette the last couple years, I'd be saying "Rowsey and Howard control the ball and always look to call their own number first and the coaches apparently want that, and Hauser gets whatever scraps are left.  You want to be the post on that team, and just set screens all day and beg for a pass that never comes?  You want to be the third or fourth wheel on that bus?  Have fun with that."

So we better not land Mane, it will hurt future recruiting; not to mention Dawson will transfer at mid season because Mane will hog the ball. Not that Mane will ever be as prolific a scorer as Markus.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Where were you on Saturday when we beat Nova bullet pointing all of Wojo's strengths? Just asking. We lost by one point, but for you getting rid of Wojo and starting all over is the better option. We know your opinion, but the season is not over. A loss at Creighton does not mean a loss over Nova any more than a win over Nova meant a win over Providence. My expectations for this season after the Hausers quit the team are not high, but are playing better than I expected so far.

If you knew anything about basketball, you'd realize that what I posted is all self inflicted.... That's on the coach and isn't a hallmark of what we're used to here at MU.

[CTWarrior]

So we better not land Mane, it will hurt future recruiting; not to mention Dawson will transfer at mid season because Mane will hog the ball. Not that Mane will ever be as prolific a scorer as Markus.

I don't recall seeing a college player dominate the ball and call his number more than Markus does (Rowsey was up there and I never saw Pete Maravich in college).  I would not worry about it with the next guy.  Seriously, if you were a prime post player, would you have wanted to come to MU the last couple years? 

[f/k/a humanlung]

The roster we have is 90% mid major talent level.   We lost our two other high major type players ( and joey had yet to prove that).   

Bailey our second best player ......... ish

I agree with many things you say but this isn't one.  The talent here is above mid-major.  It's "putting players in a position to win" that is the problem.

[f/k/a humanlung]

I'm just going to say it and I know I'll get hammered for it, but I think Rowsey and Howard and their free reign is a big reason why we don't have more, better complimentary players.  If I was recruiting against Marquette the last couple years, I'd be saying "Rowsey and Howard control the ball and always look to call their own number first and the coaches apparently want that, and Hauser gets whatever scraps are left.  You want to be the post on that team, and just set screens all day and beg for a pass that never comes?  You want to be the third or fourth wheel on that bus?  Have fun with that."

The comment about being a post player who waits for a pass that never comes is spot on. 

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

The comment about being a post player who waits for a pass that never comes is spot on.

They better get Diaz the ball or he'll be in the transfer portal in no time.

[Silkk the Shaka]

This team misses Sam. Sam was a very legit option besides Markus.

Damn, never thought about it that way

[Dr. Blackheart]

They better get Diaz the ball or he'll be in the transfer portal in no time.

Who is Diaz? Is he an architect too?

[Cheeks]

The roster we have is 90% mid major talent level.   We lost our two other high major type players ( and joey had yet to prove that).   

Bailey our second best player ......... ish

So our coaching staff has willed wins over all these high major programs with 90% of a roster of high mid major players?


You sure you want to go down arguing that logic? 

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Who is Diaz? Is he an architect too?

*Garcia when he gets here

[WhoaJoe2020]

I'm just going to say it and I know I'll get hammered for it, but I think Rowsey and Howard and their free reign is a big reason why we don't have more, better complimentary players.  If I was recruiting against Marquette the last couple years, I'd be saying "Rowsey and Howard control the ball and always look to call their own number first and the coaches apparently want that, and Hauser gets whatever scraps are left.  You want to be the post on that team, and just set screens all day and beg for a pass that never comes?  You want to be the third or fourth wheel on that bus?  Have fun with that."

True..... But did giving those guys free reign entice Symir, Dawson, Osa, Lewis, and perhaps Karim?

Is there some method to Wojos madness?

[jesmu84]

So our coaching staff has willed wins over all these high major programs with 90% of a roster of high mid major players?


You sure you want to go down arguing that logic?

Lol. Makes Wojo one of the greatest of all time?

[Cheeks]

Lol. Makes Wojo one of the greatest of all time?

Apparently so...how else to explain it

[WarriorFan]

The roster we have is 90% mid major talent level.   We lost our two other high major type players ( and joey had yet to prove that).   

Bailey our second best player ......... ish

This must be challenged.  MU talent has improved and I believe is far more talented than PC.  These are not "mid-major" guys.  Even the one I rip on the most (Morrow) is a legit 8th or 9th man on nearly any 10-40 ranked D1 team and would get minutes because he hustles and hits the boards.

How many of MU players would start on a top 1-15 team?  Probably 3 (Markus, Sacar, BB) and definitely 2 of those 3.

Do a couple of them have confidence problems at the moment?  Yes
Could that be due to the coaching? Yes
Is MU getting the most out of Greg/Jamal/Ed/Theo/Koby?  Not every day... but this is not about the talent level.  Not at all.

[Let's Go Warriors]

This must be challenged.  MU talent has improved and I believe is far more talented than PC.  These are not "mid-major" guys.  Even the one I rip on the most (Morrow) is a legit 8th or 9th man on nearly any 10-40 ranked D1 team and would get minutes because he hustles and hits the boards.

How many of MU players would start on a top 1-15 team?  Probably 3 (Markus, Sacar, BB) and definitely 2 of those 3.

Do a couple of them have confidence problems at the moment?  Yes
Could that be due to the coaching? Yes
Is MU getting the most out of Greg/Jamal/Ed/Theo/Koby?  Not every day... but this is not about the talent level.  Not at all.

Fully agree.  A guy who is about the 8th guy for MU. Ed Morrow.
From his bio at Nebraska:
2016-17 (Sophomore)
Despite a foot injury which has limited him for a good chunk of Big Ten play, sophomore Ed Morrow Jr. has made significant strides during his sophomore campaign. The 6-foot-7 forward raised his scoring average from 4.1 points to 9.4 points per game on 51 percent shooting, while pacing the Huskers in both rebounds (7.5) and blocked shots (1.1), as he appeared in 24 contests.

I dont think its the talent...