Hypocrisy of MU Basketball

[WhiteTrash]

Brother Dark Glasses:

I've said this before and I'll say it again. The decision about Wojo will be revenue driven. Period. End of story.

When people stop coming to the Computing Castle. When TV ratings are down and when our games are sandwiched between the Devotional Hour and All-Star Wrestling and just ahead of the national anthem, then they'll begin to see things in a different light. When it costs them money is when the BOT and the University will act.

Results matter. In this case, being a member of the Big East and a party to its huge TV contract matters. When 13,000 people show up for a crappy game at the CC, then they're getting the results they want.

My analogy to this is simple. The Chicago Bears, a few years back when the Fox was HC, saw huge amounts of no-shows. The north and south ends of the Grandstands were vacant at kickoff. Bear fans stopped ticket renewals and the Bears suddenly were working their way down the season ticket waiting list.  The Fox was suddenly put down in favor of an "offensive genius." The bleeding stopped and the Bears were popular again.

A lot of sound logic here. Money trumps most other issues. But don't think that MU is 'all in' on Wojo. They see his faults. The extension was very modest and gives MU an easy out in the next year or two if need be. I think MU is playing their hand well. Everyone knows Wojo is not great, including MU's administration and they are not locked into him long term.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

A lot of sound logic here. Money trumps most other issues. But don't think that MU is 'all in' on Wojo. They see his faults. The extension was very modest and gives MU an easy out in the next year or two if need be. I think MU is playing their hand well. Everyone knows Wojo is not great, including MU's administration and they are not locked into him long term.

So you think they're biding their time until the candidate who is the right fit comes along?

[Cheeks]

Brother Dark Glasses:

I've said this before and I'll say it again. The decision about Wojo will be revenue driven. Period. End of story.

When people stop coming to the Computing Castle. When TV ratings are down and when our games are sandwiched between the Devotional Hour and All-Star Wrestling and just ahead of the national anthem, then they'll begin to see things in a different light. When it costs them money is when the BOT and the University will act.

Results matter. In this case, being a member of the Big East and a party to its huge TV contract matters. When 13,000 people show up for a crappy game at the CC, then they're getting the results they want.

My analogy to this is simple. The Chicago Bears, a few years back when the Fox was HC, saw huge amounts of no-shows. The north and south ends of the Grandstands were vacant at kickoff. Bear fans stopped ticket renewals and the Bears suddenly were working their way down the season ticket waiting list.  The Fox was suddenly put down in favor of an "offensive genius." The bleeding stopped and the Bears were popular again.

With all due respect, tv ratings for now have nothing to do with it.  The contract is locked in amounts for the entire conference.

[dgies9156]

With all due respect, tv ratings for now have nothing to do with it.  The contract is locked in amounts for the entire conference.

Brother Cheeks:

As much as I respect your judgment on all things sports TV, on this one you are wrong. TV rating do matter.

Yes, the contract is locked in but if you're on tape delay just before the station signs off, you're hurting recruiting and reducing visibility of your program and your university. Yes, revenue for TV is locked, but there will be ancillary revenue from visibility that goes away.

Much as I love my Evening Devotional or All-Star Wrestling reruns, I don't want my MU basketball sandwiched between the two. And, I like getting my Warriors in Florida, which won't happen if they're on FS MMCX

[Cheeks]

Brother Cheeks:

As much as I respect your judgment on all things sports TV, on this one you are wrong. TV rating do matter.

Yes, the contract is locked in but if you're on tape delay just before the station signs off, you're hurting recruiting and reducing visibility of your program and your university. Yes, revenue for TV is locked, but there will be ancillary revenue from visibility that goes away.

Much as I love my Evening Devotional or All-Star Wrestling reruns, I don't want my MU basketball sandwiched between the two. And, I like getting my Warriors in Florida, which won't happen if they're on FS MMCX

Nothing is on tape delay with this contract.  All the games televised are live.  Not an issue.

[ATWizJr]

After a long hiatus, I've returned.  Several years ago I called for the firing of Wojo, critiquing his poor coaching.  The moderators tried to shut me down for voicing an opinion supported by facts.  Time hath proven me correct that Wojo is a fraud.  The question remains:  Why do the majority of MU fans continue to "believe" in this fraud?  Let's take a look. 

Why is Wojo Still Head Coach?
a. Coach K's coattails
b. Fan base who lacks critical analysis to evaluate coaching. 
c. Poor contract offered up by the university
d. Your infatuation with Markus Howard's stats and alleged 4* recruits that don't pan out

Wojo's Weaknesses
a. Lack of continuity on defense.  No system whatsoever
b. Inability to recruit talent and recruit players that fit to a system
c. Monotone buffoonery that is uninspiring - Jason Garrett 2.0
d. Inability to create a significant home court advantage when you have one of the highest attendances in NCAA basketball = lack of defense

The MU fanbase and media are to blame.  No effort has been taken to behead the beast that has sullied the program.  Wojo's only strength is his clean cut, professional image which seems to be what the MU fan base craves these days.

. Seems to me that when he is miked up talking to the team he's mostly exhorting them to play harder. No adjustments or strategy, just play harder. He may not know what else to say or do. No real plan, just c'mon guys you gotta play harder.

[Galway Eagle]

. Seems to me that when he is miked up talking to the team he's mostly exhorting them to play harder. No adjustments or strategy, just play harder. He may not know what else to say or do. No real plan, just c'mon guys you gotta play harder.

Teal? I mean do you really expect him to spill detailed adjustments so future opponents know exactly what he's going to do?

[Lennys Tap]

You want this? Go be a jayhawk fan.

A Jayhawk fan would never have such low expectations.

[Dr. Blackheart]

A Jayhawk fan would never have such low expectations.

And they are outraged that the FBI caught $Bill cheating.

[Jockey]

Yep.

"Genius insight"? Seriously? How insecure does a person need to be to talk about himself like that?

When you have the biggest brain - as I'm sure MikeDeanes thinks he does - you shouldn't feel that insecure.

[ATWizJr]

Teal? I mean do you really expect him to spill detailed adjustments so future opponents know exactly what he's going to do?

In game adjustments are preferable to telling the team to play harder. If you've got yo resort to that you either have no idea what adjustments to make or you have recruited the wrong players. As for tipping off future opponents, your adjust will be clear to all once you retake the floor and execute them.

[Galway Eagle]

In game adjustments are preferable to telling the team to play harder. If you've got yo resort to that you either have no idea what adjustments to make or you have recruited the wrong players. As for tipping off future opponents, your adjust will be clear to all once you retake the floor and execute them.

Good god this is ridiculous and has been shown to be wrong on so many occasions over the past few years

[Markusquette]

We've gone through this exercise time and again.  99% of the time....there are something like 5 programs in the last 20 years that have done that.  Not Kentucky. Not UCLA.  Not Louisville.  Etc, etc. 

This is when I know how crazy the expectations are vs reality.

Exactly right. Not even the best of the best when it comes to blue bloods make the NCAA tournament all the time. Even UNC in the last decade has been up and down even with their top-tier recruiting and coach.

[ATWizJr]

Good god this is ridiculous and has been shown to be wrong on so many occasions over the past few years

really?  Making in game adjustments has been shown to be ridiculous and telling your team to play harder is the answer?  That's what a coach does when he's out of ideas.

[ATL MU Warrior]

really?  Making in game adjustments has been shown to be ridiculous and telling your team to play harder is the answer?  That's what a coach does when he's out of ideas.

Are you new here?

[Galway Eagle]

really?  Making in game adjustments has been shown to be ridiculous and telling your team to play harder is the answer?  That's what a coach does when he's out of ideas.

No expecting it to be played on the miccd up huddles is ridiculous

[Cheeks]

. Seems to me that when he is miked up talking to the team he's mostly exhorting them to play harder. No adjustments or strategy, just play harder. He may not know what else to say or do. No real plan, just c'mon guys you gotta play harder.

We've gone through this a million times, what they show in terms of "mic'd up" is not suppose to contain strategy elements and that is part of what was agreed to by the conference and the broadcaster.  You are hearing 10 seconds of a timeout that lasts 60 seconds.  The strategy stuff is excluded, same goes for the other coaches.

[Markusquette]

We've gone through this a million times, what they show in terms of "mic'd up" is not suppose to contain strategy elements and that is part of what was agreed to by the conference and the broadcaster.  You are hearing 10 seconds of a timeout that lasts 60 seconds.  The strategy stuff is excluded, same goes for the other coaches.

Mic'd up is stupid. Probably the corniest thing in college bball besides len elmore

[Cheeks]

Mic'd up is stupid. Probably the corniest thing in college bball besides len elmore

It's a broadcasting gimmick.  We once pitched the idea to the NFL for Sunday Ticket broadcasts to mic up a coach live during an entire game totally unedited with every cuss word, etc.  You can imagine how fast that got shot down. It's all about "more access" and leaves people more puzzled and truly believing the coaches just say rah rah try harder...it's lame.

[rocky_warrior]

Turgeon's mic'd up huddle:

Stay down on shot fakes!  Be tougher.  BE TOUGHER!  STAY DOWN ON SHOT FAKES!  STAY DOWN!

we should hire that guy     Don't believe anyone that uses those as a reason a coach is bad. 

[Herman Cain]

They had a game a while back with Cooley and Leitao miked up the whole game. Was fascinating. Cooley spent the whole game almost working the refs. He got a return as he got a couple of key calls in his favor at the end.

[dgies9156]

Nothing is on tape delay with this contract.  All the games televised are live.  Not an issue.

OK, TV Boy, it's not taped. But TV does decide what time a game is broadcast and on which brand of a sports network the game will appear. 

The fact is that if people become apathetic, FS1, Fox and CBS will be the answer to the trivia question, "What networks once broadcast Marquette games back when they actually could beat Dayton?"

I WANT MY MU GOOD AND I WANT IT ON THE TREASURE COAST OF FLORIDA!

[Cheeks]

OK, TV Boy, it's not taped. But TV does decide what time a game is broadcast and on which brand of a sports network the game will appear. 

The fact is that if people become apathetic, FS1, Fox and CBS will be the answer to the trivia question, "What networks once broadcast Marquette games back when they actually could beat Dayton?"

I WANT MY MU GOOD AND I WANT IT ON THE TREASURE COAST OF FLORIDA!

Brother DG, the networks have those times allocated already, you will be able to see your games with MU.  MU isn't sold on its own, it is the BIg East conference rights.  As long as MU is in the Big East you will be fine.  CBS just signed a deal with the conference that lasts through 2025, FOX has the rights for some time as well.  You will be fine watching MU in Florida at at times that you can view.

[rocky_warrior]

The fact is that if people become apathetic, FS1, Fox and CBS will be the answer to the trivia question, "What networks once broadcast Marquette games back when they actually could beat Dayton?"

I get your point, but the last time MU consistently beat Dayton was under O'Neil and Deane.  Crean got one win.  None since.  So your question is incorrect if you want FS1, Fox and CBS to be the answer.

https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/dayton

[Cheeks]

I get your point, but the last time MU consistently beat Dayton was under O'Neil and Deane.  Crean got one win.  None since.  So your question is incorrect if you want FS1, Fox and CBS to be the answer.

https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/dayton

We have also hardly played them of late.  Buzz's team lost to them by 14 in Chicago in 2009, the last time we played them.