Lots of predictions from April have gone south

[Cheeks]

Glad to see it.

Nice job by staff bringing in best class in quite some time.

[nyg]

Give it a year.  There will be the four to five posters who say Wojo is not using him correctly, Wojo not coaching him properly and has not provided an adequate supporting cast around him.  Bank on it. 

Enjoy today, because the frontcourt of the future has signed up.  Nice job by the staff.

[skianth16]

Give it a year.  There will be the four to five posters who say Wojo is not using him correctly, Wojo not coaching him properly and has not provided an adequate supporting cast around him. Bank on it. 

Enjoy today, because the frontcourt of the future has signed up.  Nice job by the staff.

Nostradamus 2.0 over here, huh?

Contrary to the belief by some here, there's not a single coach in the country who doesn't get critiqued by his fanbase. Not one. Some fans will find things that just weren't good enough with K, Izzo, Few, Bennet, etc. after every single game they coach. It comes with the territory. Sometimes it's over the top nit-picking, but sometimes it's valid.

That's why it happens to Wojo as well. It probably happens more to him because his track record is not as good as the coaches mentioned above and also not as good as recent MU coaches in some respects. And from what we've seen from Wojo so far, he probably will have some games that absolutely deserve some criticism. And he'll have some games where the nit-picking is way overblown. Hopefully we get more of the latter.

[tower912]

The sky was never falling.

[1SE]

The Sky has been falling for 5 years.

Dawson is a great get. I'm excited. But we've had high profile recruits before. Until we start winning NCAA games we might as well be recruiting guys from Pardeeville.

I don't care about potential. I care about results.

[Dr. Blackheart]

The sky was never falling.

Wrong!

The Skyy is falling down my throat as we speak.

[🏀]

The Sky has been falling for 5 years.

Dawson is a great get. I'm excited. But we've had high profile recruits before. Until we start winning NCAA games we might as well be recruiting guys from Pardeeville.

I don't care about potential. I care about results.

Then technically it’s been falling for closer to 7 when Buzz gave up on Marquette Basketball.

[GooooMarquette]

The Sky has been falling for 5 years.

Dawson is a great get. I'm excited. But we've had high profile recruits before. Until we start winning NCAA games we might as well be recruiting guys from Pardeeville.

I don't care about potential. I care about results.

Yes, but the combo of recruits in next year's class is already the best we've seen since the Amigos. And Karim Mane is still in the mix....

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Wrong!

The Skyy is falling down my throat as we speak.

[muwarrior69]

Yes, but the combo of recruits in next year's class is already the best we've seen since the Amigos. And Karim Mane is still in the mix....

These guys should have a bigger impact than the Amigos.

[GooooMarquette]

These guys should have a bigger impact than the Amigos.

Very, very possible. I just wanted to point out that it has been a long time since we have had an entire class this solid.

[1SE]

I agree with all that and I’m excited about that but I won’t pop any celebratory champagne until we start to see the results.

[dgies9156]

I agree with all that and I’m excited about that but I won’t pop any celebratory champagne until we start to see the results.

Amen.

This goes a long way to Make Marquette Feared Again.

But the progress needs to start now.

We don't want buyer's remorse by Mr. Garcia based on this year's season and an inability to get meaningful offensive contributions from our front court.

We want to be in a position where this year's team is handing off the reins of a very good program with a deep run into the NCAAs over to next year's team, which has real potential.

We want to see more of the second half of the Purdue game (or even the first half of the Wisconsin game for that matter) with a team that puts 40 minutes of excellent basketball together.

Here's hoping!

[Galway Eagle]

Very, very possible. I just wanted to point out that it has been a long time since we have had an entire class this solid.

Pretty sure Sam, Markus and Bailey or the 2013 and the 2010 class were on paper this solid. Not as long as going back to the Amigos.

[1318WWells]

Amen.

This goes a long way to Make Marquette Feared Again.

But the progress needs to start now.

We don't want buyer's remorse by Mr. Garcia based on this year's season and an inability to get meaningful offensive contributions from our front court.

We want to be in a position where this year's team is handing off the reins of a very good program with a deep run into the NCAAs over to next year's team, which has real potential.

We want to see more of the second half of the Purdue game (or even the first half of the Wisconsin game for that matter) with a team that puts 60 minutes of excellent basketball together.

Here's hoping!

Quadruple overtime every game? Now that’s exciting!

[Cheeks]

Pretty sure Sam, Markus and Bailey or the 2013 and the 2010 class were on paper this solid. Not as long as going back to the Amigos.

I’m not one that gets overly hyped about recruiting rankings since there are so many misses.  But For those that care, here are the rankings.

2016 class ranked 22nd.
2013 class ranked 7th. 
2010 class ranked 19th. 

[tower912]

There was a lot of drama in April.    However, in a macro sense, two starters transferred, like 40% of all D1 players do.     Everyone talked about the letter and rumors and innuendos.    Those cut both ways.     Wojo could portray himself as the man in charge.   If the recruits spent time with Markus and watched him play, they could wonder why anyone would NOT want to play with this guy.    If Wojo showed them copies of the letter, they could easily place blame elsewhere.    Plus, as mentioned earlier, Joey was gone.   That opened up 30+ minutes per game for a versatile forward.    It was an inconvenience bordering on a problem   It was never the end of the world.    In the wide world of college basketball and recruiting, it was not nearly as impactful as it was for scoopers. 
    Lots of people were frustrated in April.    Some have been frustrated for 6 years.   But I personally never believed for a second that Hausershima would have a negative affect on recruiting.    The only thing that could do that is rumors of Wojo being on a hot seat.   The net effect is that recruits are still hearing what Wojo is saying.   He is going after big game fish and not settling for Asian carp.   Is he going to miss?   Yep.   Nobody but the true big boys get to pick and choose. 

Now, put the pieces together.

[Goose]

I am not sure on what predictions in April went south. Some, like me, stated that this year the team would miss Sam and Joey and likely struggle. That sure as hell could end up being the case. Many predicted a great recruiting class and it may end being one. That said, a great recruiting class should result with wins in March and that is 1.5+ years away. Hope it happens.

Please forgive anyone that is a bit skeptical of a coach with zero NCAA wins in his first five seasons. I hope this is the class that helps Wojo and program turn the corner and time will tell. Sadly, from my perspective, the corner still needs to be turned 5+ years into his tenure at MU.

[dgies9156]

Quadruple overtime every game? Now that’s exciting!

Damn straight -- LOL. Keep me on the edge of my seat.

Obviously my head is still in football.

40 Minutes!

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As to Goose's comments above, we now have a recruiting class that ranks as one of the better classes in the post-McGuire era. If we gain a shooting guard to fill some of Markus' shoes, then we have in place the rumblings for something special.

Two things have to happen. The first is this year's recruiting has to be followed by next year being just as good or maybe even better. What made Coach McGuire's term special is the recruiting train never stopped and we always had "next man up." Each year also got a little better than the last.

The second is that we need to show strong progress in March. In the Big East tournament and then in the NCAAs. I'm not sure if our fan base can tolerate another Murray State wipe-out. Hint: we can't. But it's more than that. The Big East tournament is of marginal utility if the team is very good but winning it is a sign that we're disciplined and "for real." We need to win it and win it with consistency. It's a great prep for the NCAA and shows we're for real.

So, in order, the goals for the program should be (1) Follow-up this year with another great recruiting class on the road to making us a blue blood; (2) WIN NOW!; and, (3) Create an attitude around our program of winning everything we touch.

Easy to say, I know, but tough to do. But we've done it before and can do it again!

[tower912]

I am not sure on what predictions in April went south. Some, like me, stated that this year the team would miss Sam and Joey and likely struggle. That sure as hell could end up being the case. Many predicted a great recruiting class and it may end being one. That said, a great recruiting class should result with wins in March and that is 1.5+ years away. Hope it happens.

Please forgive anyone that is a bit skeptical of a coach with zero NCAA wins in his first five seasons. I hope this is the class that helps Wojo and program turn the corner and time will tell. Sadly, from my perspective, the corner still needs to be turned 5+ years into his tenure at MU.

Goose, no one is happy with the post season record.

[MU82]

I am not sure on what predictions in April went south.

Many predicted that Hausershima would make it difficult, maybe even impossible, for Wojo to convince top recruits to come here. Negative recruiting would be easy, with rivals being able to say, "Marquette couldn't even keep two of its best players -- in-state kids, no less -- from transferring. That's because their system doesn't work, and their coaching staff can't build and maintain relationships. Come here instead!"

I didn't predict that, but I did fear there could be a major post-Hausershima recruiting hangover.

Instead, Wojo and staff have been able to get numerous top recruits to at least make visits, and they have been able to get three very good ones -- kids who were being recruited hard by the likes of Indiana, Memphis, Arizona, Stanford, Texas, Minnesota, Kansas State and UConn -- to sign on the dotted line.

So those predictions (or in my case, worries) proved to be very wrong.

[Lennys Tap]

There was a lot of drama in April.    However, in a macro sense, two starters transferred, like 40% of all D1 players do.     Everyone talked about the letter and rumors and innuendos.    Those cut both ways.     Wojo could portray himself as the man in charge.   If the recruits spent time with Markus and watched him play, they could wonder why anyone would NOT want to play with this guy.    If Wojo showed them copies of the letter, they could easily place blame elsewhere.    Plus, as mentioned earlier, Joey was gone.   That opened up 30+ minutes per game for a versatile forward.    It was an inconvenience bordering on a problem   It was never the end of the world.    In the wide world of college basketball and recruiting, it was not nearly as impactful as it was for scoopers. 
   

Tower,

With all due respect (honestly, not just saying that), the statistics you cite may be correct but create a distinctly false impression. 40% of ALL D1 players transfer, 40% of our starting line up transferred. That is true. But not all transfers are created equal. Most are understandable and involve players unhappy with their minutes. When looking at our situation, the fair question isn't what % of all D1 players transfer - it's what % of 3 year starters/co MVPs transfer and what % of freshmen that play 30 minutes a game transfer? The answer is zero or almost zero, which is why it was correctly viewed as a really, really big deal/setback.

Also, in regard to the alleged letter. 1. We don't know if it exists. 2. If it does, we don't know what's in it. 3. If it does exist and Wojo is showing it to recruits he should be fired on the spot.

[Small Orange Soda]

I am not sure on what predictions in April went south. Some, like me, stated that this year the team would miss Sam and Joey and likely struggle. That sure as hell could end up being the case. Many predicted a great recruiting class and it may end being one. That said, a great recruiting class should result with wins in March and that is 1.5+ years away. Hope it happens.

Please forgive anyone that is a bit skeptical of a coach with zero NCAA wins in his first five seasons. I hope this is the class that helps Wojo and program turn the corner and time will tell. Sadly, from my perspective, the corner still needs to be turned 5+ years into his tenure at MU.

Well put Goose.  This isn't the first time Wojo has landed a big recruit, and I think we're all hoping for many more.  Garcia is a big win, and he deserves credit.  The results on the court, however, simply have not been there.  We've got a four year starter who's a preseason first team All American and yet we're still looking to turn that corner.  Definitely gives me pause about Wojo getting the most out of the talent on the court, regardless of recruiting rankings.

[skianth16]

Tower,

With all due respect (honestly, not just saying that), the statistics you cite may be correct but create a distinctly false impression. 40% of ALL D1 players transfer, 40% of our starting line up transferred. That is true. But not all transfers are created equal. Most are understandable and involve players unhappy with their minutes. When looking at our situation, the fair question isn't what % of all D1 players transfer - it's what % of 3 year starters/co MVPs transfer and what % of freshmen that play 30 minutes a game transfer? The answer is zero or almost zero, which is why it was correctly viewed as a really, really big deal/setback.

Also, in regard to the alleged letter. 1. We don't know if it exists. 2. If it does, we don't know what's in it. 3. If it does exist and Wojo is showing it to recruits he should be fired on the spot.

Bingo. I think this is spot on. The way some people just hand-wave the loss of several good players in the Wojo era kind of blows my mind. I was less than pleased with Wojo's track record of transfers prior to the departure of Sam and Joey. So now, I really wonder what's going on between recruitment and transfer that keeps pushing kids out the door. Yes, transfers happen in college basketball, but I expect Wojo and MU to be better than average in all aspects of the game, including player retention.

Also fully agree with your last point about Wojo showing recruits "the letter." I highly, highly doubt he's doing anything like that, though, because he really does seem like a high character guy.

[Galway Eagle]

I’m not one that gets overly hyped about recruiting rankings since there are so many misses.  But For those that care, here are the rankings.

2016 class ranked 22nd.
2013 class ranked 7th. 
2010 class ranked 19th.

I do agree with you about ratings. after the McDonald's AA a recruit is generally a toss up freshman year and his ranking is indicative about who they may turn into.

My bad I meant he 2009 class as that one had three top 100 recruits.

[Lennys Tap]

Also fully agree with your last point about Wojo showing recruits "the letter." I highly, highly doubt he's doing anything like that, though, because he really does seem like a high character guy.

Agree. If (big if) there was a letter I would expect Wojo (and the Hausers) to keep it's contents confidential. The idea that it be used as a recruiting tool seems farfetched.

[MU82]

Tower,

With all due respect (honestly, not just saying that), the statistics you cite may be correct but create a distinctly false impression. 40% of ALL D1 players transfer, 40% of our starting line up transferred. That is true. But not all transfers are created equal. Most are understandable and involve players unhappy with their minutes. When looking at our situation, the fair question isn't what % of all D1 players transfer - it's what % of 3 year starters/co MVPs transfer and what % of freshmen that play 30 minutes a game transfer? The answer is zero or almost zero, which is why it was correctly viewed as a really, really big deal/setback.

Also, in regard to the alleged letter. 1. We don't know if it exists. 2. If it does, we don't know what's in it. 3. If it does exist and Wojo is showing it to recruits he should be fired on the spot.

I don't know what would make Wojo want to show that letter to recruits. Maybe if one came right out and said, "What happened with the Hausers? I heard there was unrest," Wojo could show it to demonstrate that it was only two unhappy players and the rest of the team rallied around Markus and the coaching staff? In that case, I probably wouldn't have a problem with him showing it. It's not a state secret. That being said, I just don't think the scenario plays out, so I'm not gonna go to the mat arguing either way.

Totally agree that not all transfers are created equal. Teams have players even better than the Hausers that transfer, but mostly transfers involve players who are not established the way the Hausers were.

Joey seemingly never fully bought into being at MU. He went there because his brother was there. His defensive liabilities made it a possibility that his playing time would be reduced as a sophomore. In a vacuum, his transfer to the school he supposedly wanted to go to all along was not especially surprising or earthshaking. To me, his departure only looks really "bad" because Sam went too.

Sam is another story, one that has been discussed ad nauseum. Those who dismiss his departure as no big deal simply do not understand basketball. Having said that, continuing to pine for him (not saying you are doing that) is silly, too. He ain't walkin' back through that door.

As for whether Wojo's overall record of players transferring out has been "bad" or "troubling," I don't think so.

In my mind, the only two transfers that I wish would have been totally avoided under Wojo were Sam and Burton. We've talked about Burton ad nauseum, too; how "bad" that transfer was depends upon if one believes Burton's family issue was the main reason for it or if there was some unease about Wojo. Even then, Burton was no "worse" of a transfer than McKay or Blankson. Sam ... there really has been no equivalent leaving Marquette; maybe Robert Jackson coming to Marquette would be similar.

The rest of Wojo's transfers were guys who either were recruited over, with us getting better players, or guys who needed something Marquette couldn't offer. They were very representative of that 40% figure.

And despite all of this, Wojo has been able to continue recruiting at a very high level. So obviously, recruits (and their mommies) are not particularly concerned about guys transferring.

[Its DJOver]

Man, I can't wait until Saturday so we can just go back to complaining about the current team, and stop living in the past (for a few hours at least).

[tower912]

Lenny, 'letter' = rumors and innuendo.    I don't think that it should be part of Wojo's pitch, but, as MU82 rightly points out, if the question is asked 'what happened to the Hausers?', how would you like to address it?     I would hope that he would give his side and let the recruit talk to the guys who stayed.   I am sure those who stayed will have a different perspective than we message board denizens.

I'm sorry, I simply don't consider the Hausers as more than just two more transfers.    MU has had players leave almost every year since 2001.    The program continues.   

And to my larger point, clearly the handwringing, gnashing of teeth, rending of garments and fists shaken at the sky of last spring was clearly misplaced in regards to future recruiting.   Whatever, however Wojo may have said about or handled the situation, if asked, clearly was enough to assuage any concerns three top 100 recruits might have. 

Now, put the pieces together and coach them up.   

And Lenny, I have nothing but the highest respect for you.    You clearly love MU hoops as much as I do and as much as most here do.   I enjoy your posts.   Just because we disagree on this issue changes nothing.   

[Small Orange Soda]

I'm sorry, I simply don't consider the Hausers as more than just two more transfers.    MU has had players leave almost every year since 2001.    The program continues.       

You know what other predictions from April have gone south?  This being a Top 10 team. And it wasn't because we lost a couple guys who couldn't break into the rotation.

[skianth16]

I'm sorry, I simply don't consider the Hausers as more than just two more transfers.    MU has had players leave almost every year since 2001.    The program continues.   

The program will continue regardless of which players and coaches leave. We all know that. Marquette basketball is bigger than any coach or player could ever be, including the likes of Al and Markus. But to say the Hausers leaving is just par for the course, normal transfer activity is too over the top. It was a national story for a reason. 

Is Dawson Garcia just another recruit in your eyes too?

[jesmu84]

As others have said, I think the "predictions" were those saying the departures of Hausers would lead to Wojo not being able to recruit big-time players. That's clearly proven false at this point. I don't THINK that's disputable.

[wadesworld]

To say a Hauser situation is unheard of is just flat out wrong.  It happened literally the offseason before the Hausers left Marquette.  The Lawson brothers both left Memphis.  The difference being they were the best and second best players at Memphis, not the second best and the fourth best players like the Hausers were.

[tower912]

The program will continue regardless of which players and coaches leave. We all know that. Marquette basketball is bigger than any coach or player could ever be, including the likes of Al and Markus. But to say the Hausers leaving is just par for the course, normal transfer activity is too over the top. It was a national story for a reason. 

Is Dawson Garcia just another recruit in your eyes too?

He is a highly ranked recruit and I am glad he chose Marquette.   I would prefer every player to stay at MU 4 years and graduate with a degree.  Statistically speaking, 2 out of Lewis, Oso, Dexter, Garcia, and Symir will transfer.    I love MU.   But I look across college basketball and try to see the big picture.    So, yeah, I view it as normal behavior.    Have since April.      And I view Garcia as a big win.     

[willie warrior]

I am not sure on what predictions in April went south. Some, like me, stated that this year the team would miss Sam and Joey and likely struggle. That sure as hell could end up being the case. Many predicted a great recruiting class and it may end being one. That said, a great recruiting class should result with wins in March and that is 1.5+ years away. Hope it happens.

Please forgive anyone that is a bit skeptical of a coach with zero NCAA wins in his first five seasons. I hope this is the class that helps Wojo and program turn the corner and time will tell. Sadly, from my perspective, the corner still needs to be turned 5+ years into his tenure at MU.

Hence we need another 5 years to evaluate Wojos performance.

[wadesworld]

For as much crap as guru takes around here, at least he's an MU fan.  Willie just comes here to whine.  Wee wittle willie whining once again.

[skianth16]

To say a Hauser situation is unheard of is just flat out wrong.  It happened literally the offseason before the Hausers left Marquette.  The Lawson brothers both left Memphis.  The difference being they were the best and second best players at Memphis, not the second best and the fourth best players like the Hausers were.

I don't think anyone has said it's unheard of. But just because it has happened somewhere before doesn't make it sting less, at least not for some of us.

[Lennys Tap]

To say a Hauser situation is unheard of is just flat out wrong.  It happened literally the offseason before the Hausers left Marquette.  The Lawson brothers both left Memphis.  The difference being they were the best and second best players at Memphis, not the second best and the fourth best players like the Hausers were.

Almost never would allow for this extremely uncommon example. Memphis fans/administration took it in stride - after a 21-13 record the following year Tubby Smith was fired and paid a great deal of money to leave.

[Lennys Tap]

As others have said, I think the "predictions" were those saying the departures of Hausers would lead to Wojo not being able to recruit big-time players. That's clearly proven false at this point. I don't THINK that's disputable.

I don't know if there were those sort of predictions but I'm sure some people (myself included) who worried that it might hinder future recruiting. To Wojo's credit it hasn't.

[Silkk the Shaka]

He is a highly ranked recruit and I am glad he chose Marquette.   I would prefer every player to stay at MU 4 years and graduate with a degree.  Statistically speaking, 2 out of Lewis, Oso, Dexter, Garcia, and Symir will transfer.    I love MU.   But I look across college basketball and try to see the big picture.    So, yeah, I view it as normal behavior.    Have since April.      And I view Garcia as a big win.   

Off the top of my head, Grimes transferred after one year as a starter at Kansas.

While the Hauser situation was obviously fairly unique and a bummer, it literally happens everywhere all the time, even with starters unhappy about something or other.

Ultimately I don't want guys who don't want to be here with ten toes in the boat with everyone rowing the same direction. Otherwise they'll possibly tank a season like the Hausers did for us last year.

[Lennys Tap]

I'm sorry, I simply don't consider the Hausers as more than just two more transfers.    MU has had players leave almost every year since 2001.    The program continues.   

Hence our disagreement. For me, if D Wade would have transferred after his sophomore year it would have been worse than the Hausers leaving. And the Hausers transferring was worse than Erik Williams leaving.

Same with recruiting. For me, Dawson Garia was a much bigger "get" (IMO) than Dexter Akanno.

I root for them equally as they're all Warriors - but some Warriors are simply more equal (valuable) than others.

Thanks for the kind words - I value your opinions even when not in total agreement.

[wadesworld]

Almost never would allow for this extremely uncommon example. Memphis fans/administration took it in stride - after a 21-13 record the following year Tubby Smith was fired and paid a great deal of money to leave.

And basically immediately swam right into hot water with the NCAA.

[Lennys Tap]

And basically immediately swam right into hot water with the NCAA.

True

[rocket surgeon]

  "So, in order, the goals for the program should be (1) Follow-up this year with another great recruiting class on the road to making us a blue blood; (2) WIN NOW!; and, (3) Create an attitude around our program of winning everything we touch."


      all good dog, but one thing-i think we can all agree that recruits want to hear from the coach(es) what their role will be and that they will be playing.  even if the guy's a stud, does a coach guarantee anything?  work hard, be a good student/representative of our school, put the rock in the hole, etc etc. but as a team gets filled up with 4 and 5 star guys, i've got to think it get's more difficult to recruit unless you are a kentucky, a north carolina, duke etc.   

  so this is getting to the point where good personnel and coaches have an eye for talent under the radar and/or guys with "heart" and great role fillers or even that diamond in the rough walk on.  in any event, it's a good problem to have-just win baby, eyn'a?

[MU82]

Off the top of my head, Grimes transferred after one year as a starter at Kansas.

While the Hauser situation was obviously fairly unique and a bummer, it literally happens everywhere all the time, even with starters unhappy about something or other.

Ultimately I don't want guys who don't want to be here with ten toes in the boat with everyone rowing the same direction. Otherwise they'll possibly tank a season like the Hausers did for us last year.

Yep.

I want Warriors who want to be Warriors.

The Hausers mean as much to Marquette right now as Odartey Blankson does.

[Lennys Tap]

Yep.

I want Warriors who want to be Warriors.

The Hausers mean as much to Marquette right now as Odartey Blankson does.

Well, we went to the FF after ODB left, so...could lightning strike twice?

[🏀]

Well, we went to the FF after ODB left, so...could lightning strike twice?

Would the lightning strike be multiplied then since two left?

[Silkk the Shaka]

Would the lightning strike be multiplied then since two left?

this is mathematically correct

[The Lens]

It’s year 6 and all we’re pointing to is recruiting wins.  It’s like the Crean era all over again. Except without the Wade, Travis and Final Four part.   

Wake me when something happens.

[MU82]

We are humans, and therefore we suffer from recency bias. So we still have Hausers on our brains.

But seriously, the Hausers mean no more to the the 2019-20 Warriors -- and to next season's Warriors and to the following season's Warriors -- than Odartey Blankson does. They are no more likely to walk back in that door to play for us than Blankson is. And their departure has had no more of an ill effect on recruiting than Blankson's departure did.

Of course, this is one reason fan boards were invented -- so we can whine about things that are totally out of our control.

Bring back Odartey!

[wadesworld]

It’s year 6 and all were pointing to is recruiting wins.  It’s like the Crean era all over again. Except without the Wade, Travis and Final Four part.   

Wake me when something happens.

Sounds good. See ya then.

[Small Orange Soda]

We are humans, and therefore we suffer from recency bias. So we still have Hausers on our brains.

But seriously, the Hausers mean no more to the the 2019-20 Warriors -- and to next season's Warriors and to the following season's Warriors -- than Odartey Blankson does. They are no more likely to walk back in that door to play for us than Blankson is. And their departure has had no more of an ill effect on recruiting than Blankson's departure did.

Of course, this is one reason fan boards were invented -- so we can whine about things that are totally out of our control.

Bring back Odartey!

If we do better without the Hausers than we were predicted to with them, then people won't bring them up much, if at all.  If we don't, people will.  Welcome to the 2019-20 season, hope you enjoy the ride.

[MU82]

If we do better without the Hausers than we were predicted to with them, then people won't bring them up much, if at all.  If we don't, people will.  Welcome to the 2019-20 season, hope you enjoy the ride.

People will bring 'em up regardless, but point well taken.

[Cheeks]

It’s year 6 and all we’re pointing to is recruiting wins.  It’s like the Crean era all over again. Except without the Wade, Travis and Final Four part.   

Wake me when something happens.

In year 5 we pointed to recruiting wins of Buzz...why can’t we in year 6 of Wojo, especially since so many said this wasn’t possible any longer?

[MU82]

In year 5 we pointed to recruiting wins of Buzz...why can’t we in year 6 of Wojo, especially since so many said this wasn’t possible any longer?

Well, Buzz had a few NCAA tourney wins along with his recruiting wins. I'm thinking there would be a lot less beyotching about Wojo if by Year 6 he had been to an Elite Eight and two Sweet 16s.

You and I generally agree on Wojo. Surprised you don't see the difference here.

[Lennys Tap]

especially since so many said this wasn’t possible any longer?

So many...not possible (i.e., impossible)...proof?

[Cheeks]

Well, Buzz had a few NCAA tourney wins along with his recruiting wins. I'm thinking there would be a lot less beyotching about Wojo if by Year 6 he had been to an Elite Eight and two Sweet 16s.

You and I generally agree on Wojo. Surprised you don't see the difference here.

I said this the other day.  If Wojo’s Warriors win two NCAA games this year, is he suddenly a good coach?  I mean do people here really believe that’s how it works?  I think some here really do, but apparently that’s all that it will take.

Buzz had a few other things along with those tourney wins, too.

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People will bring 'em up regardless, but point well taken.

We outperform, the pro Wojo forces will be all over the "they sucked, who needed them, Joey who, Sam who" narrative.

We underperform, the anti Wojo forces will be all over the "this was devastating, we needed them, we sucked because they left" narrative.

Either way, they'll be brought up plenty.

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I said this the other day.  If Wojo’s Warriors win two NCAA games this year, is he suddenly a good coach?  I mean do people here really believe that’s how it works?  I think some here really do, but apparently that’s all that it will take.

Buzz had a few other things along with those tourney wins, too.

Your hatred of all things Buzz has nothing to do with the discussion of why those who have been Marquette fans for the last decade aren't so willing to give Wojo the same plaudits that Buzz received 5 years into each program.

Buzz's Warriors did more than "win two NCAA tournament games." By this point in his MU coaching career, he had 8 NCAA tourney wins and a program that was nationally respected year after year.

hoopaloop, you have a way of forcing even those who generally agree with you on a point to feel like we have to refute what you say when you get lost in your silliness.