Redshirt Markus?

[The Lens]

A big trend in college football is redshirting players after game 4 if your season is going off the rails.

I think we should look to redshirt Markus if we don't sweep Purdue and Davidson.   One thing to consider, he is young for his class and a extra year of development might be good for his game. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

A big trend in college football is redshirting players after game 4 if your season is going off the rails.

I think we should look to redshirt Markus if we don't sweep Purdue and Davidson.   One thing to consider, he is young for his class and a extra year of development might be good for his game.

I would first check with the ortho doctor to see how much more height there is in his growth plates. He might be 6’7” after a year.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Wut?

[The Lens]

I would first check with the ortho doctor to see how much more height there is in his growth plates. He might be 6’7” after a year.

A shoot-first point forward?  SIGN. ME. UP. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

A shoot-first point forward?  SIGN. ME. UP.

Of course, though, he would be graduate transfer eligible then and MSU would pick him up.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

A big trend in college football is redshirting players after game 4 if your season is going off the rails.

I think we should look to redshirt Markus if we don't sweep Purdue and Davidson.   One thing to consider, he is young for his class and a extra year of development might be good for his game.

From the thousands of stupid post on this site over the years, this one may take the cake.

[thebigjake]

Shouldn't that be in teal?

You can't be serious

[4everwarriors]

Herd hee mae transfer ta MSU or UVA just ta fook wit da old kinfolk, hey?

[GoldenWarrior11]

Has anyone actually followed the dumpster fire that it is Houston Cougar Football this year (where the idea of redshirting skilled players to delay them a year came from)?  Absolute disaster.  One of their players went on an epic Twitter rant against their coaching staff for the hypocrisy of preaching commitment and dedication to be successful, only to now start tanking the season in order to preserve everyone's status for next year.  Pretty damning stuff. 

I would be ashamed to be a fan and an alum of a school program that would do that (throw in the towel on an entire season) - especially after they just spend like $4 million annually on a new head coach.  Hilariously, Houston's President also went on record last year that the school will fire coaches for going 8-4.  I wonder what they do to coaches that finish 1-11? 

HUGE NO to redshirting seniors if the team encounters early season losses.  Fight until the end with what you have. 

[Galway Eagle]

Drinking in the morning on a Friday? Respect

[Dr. Blackheart]

From the thousands of stupid post on this site over the years, this one may take the cake.

Sandy,
The Teal Train has left the station, bro.

[Lighthouse 84]

There was a question as to whether Markus would be back for his senior year. Do you honestly and realistically think he'd agree to redshirt his senior season and delay his ultimate goal of M2N?  That's just kooky talk.

[wadesworld]

Has anyone actually followed the dumpster fire that it is Houston Cougar Football this year (where the idea of redshirting skilled players to delay them a year came from)?  Absolute disaster.  One of their players went on an epic Twitter rant against their coaching staff for the hypocrisy of preaching commitment and dedication to be successful, only to now start tanking the season in order to preserve everyone's status for next year.  Pretty damning stuff. 

I would be ashamed to be a fan and an alum of a school program that would do that (throw in the towel on an entire season) - especially after they just spend like $4 million annually on a new head coach.  Hilariously, Houston's President also went on record last year that the school will fire coaches for going 8-4.  I wonder what they do to coaches that finish 1-11? 

HUGE NO to redshirting seniors if the team encounters early season losses.  Fight until the end with what you have.

In college basketball I wouldn't, unless the star senior actually had an injury and could make a comeback towards the end of the year but the only way to make the NCAA Tournament at that point would be the win a conference tournament.  But in college football when literally a single loss takes you out of contention for an NCAA title unless your school name is Alabama, Clemson, or Ohio State?  Sure, I'd definitely redshirt star players and see them come back the following season, and as a fan I'd be thrilled with that decision.

[The Lens]

Of course, though, he would be graduate transfer eligible then and MSU would pick him up.

OR WORSE...

Coach K retires, Wojo takes the Duke job and Markus leads Duke to the National Championship.

SCRATCH THE IDEA
DELETE THE POST
ERASE
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[Dr. Blackheart]

Choo, choo.  Lens is day drinking in the bar car.

[GoldenWarrior11]

In college basketball I wouldn't, unless the star senior actually had an injury and could make a comeback towards the end of the year but the only way to make the NCAA Tournament at that point would be the win a conference tournament.  But in college football when literally a single loss takes you out of contention for an NCAA title unless your school name is Alabama, Clemson, or Ohio State?  Sure, I'd definitely redshirt star players and see them come back the following season, and as a fan I'd be thrilled with that decision.

I'd argue that so much more could go wrong than go right in that scenario.

Other schools can easily begin to use that as a negative recruiting tool "If you lose a game, you will be benched for an entire year, delaying opportunity to go to the pros, increasing odds of players potentially getting injured, etc."  Additionally, what's to stop a redshirted player from just transferring to become immediately eligible at another school?  At a place like Houston, which is a glorifed G5 program, they aren't playing for a CFP spot annually.  Their ceiling is a NY6 bid, and in a league where SMU is now up, Memphis remains up and UCF continues to recruit Florida well, schools like Houston can't afford to "take a year off" in hopes it will be better next year - especially since Houston ponied up big money to hire Hologorsen from WVU.  Not a good look at all. 

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Imagine if Marcus does take the shirt.  Then we miss the NCAA's, amd wojo is canned. 

Having a super senior like Marcus would be a very attractive piece to draw in a new coach.

[MU82]

Well done, Lens.

[dgies9156]

Choo, choo.  Lens is day drinking in the bar car.

Shabby looking train. The F9 locomotive set is older than I am and the colors show the age of the train itself.

Might be worse than Amtrak -- if that's possible.

[TallTitan34]

Bet Sam would really regret his decision, huh?

[The Lens]

Imagine if Marcus does take the shirt.  Then we miss the NCAA's, amd wojo is canned. 

Having a super senior like Marcus would be a very attractive piece to draw in a new coach.

Forget Wojo replacing K

K REPLACES WOJO!

[Goose]

Sandy may have the post that takes the cake. Explains a great deal about him.

[Jay Bee]

A big trend in college football is redshirting players after game 4 if your season is going off the rails.

I think we should look to redshirt Markus if we don't sweep Purdue and Davidson.   One thing to consider, he is young for his class and a extra year of development might be good for his game.

College football has diff redshirt rules. In CBB, if you play a second of any game, you cannot redshirt.

[StillAWarrior]

College football has diff redshirt rules. In CBB, if you play a second of any game, you cannot redshirt.

Well, apparently we'd be planning -- in advance -- Markus's season-ending injury that would allow him to come back for a fifth year.   

[Dawson Rental]

College football has diff redshirt rules. In CBB, if you play a second of any game, you cannot redshirt.

I'm sure that Lens was referring to losses in a controlled scrimmage with another school and an exhibition assuring that MU was eliminated from the NCAA Tourney prior to the start of the season.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I'm sure that Lens was referring to losses in a controlled scrimmage with another school and an exhibition assuring that MU was eliminated from the NCAA Tourney prior to the start of the season.

Marquette is only 8-2 against St. Norbies all time.  Watch-out.

[brewcity77]

While we're talking about things that will never happen, how about bringing back football? Can we put a stadium on the BC lot now that it's clear?

[Dawson Rental]

While we're talking about things that will never happen, how about bringing back football? Can we put a stadium on the BC lot now that it's clear?

MU needs to wait until Aaron Rogers retires so they can hire him to coach.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Shabby looking train. The F9 locomotive set is older than I am and the colors show the age of the train itself.

Might be worse than Amtrak -- if that's possible.

Scoop cannot afford nice things...but there is an Arby’s pop-up on-board to compensate.

[Billy Hoyle]

A big trend in college football is redshirting players after game 4 if your season is going off the rails.

I think we should look to redshirt Markus if we don't sweep Purdue and Davidson.   One thing to consider, he is young for his class and a extra year of development might be good for his game.

there are different rules in college football. In every other sport to get a medical hardship, one must have medical documentation of a season ending injury. That includes repeated check-ins with doctors and rehab throughout the year. Unless that happens I doubt one of our team doctors would falsify a diagnosis and medical records and subject themselves to sanctions or even losing their licenses.

[Jockey]

I just read the original post here. It is truly one of the dumbest things I have ever seen on Scoop.

[frozena pizza]

If we lose to Purdue let's just redshirt everyone.  They can get a full year of practice.  In t-shirts.

[Its DJOver]

If we lose to Purdue let's just redshirt everyone.  They can get a full year of practice.  In t-shirts.

That's Iowa, not Purdue.  Although if we're repeating history, i'd gladly take a L against Purdue if it means that we win the Orlando tourney.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Epic

[real chili 83]

Herd hee mae transfer ta MSU or UVA just ta fook wit da old kinfolk, hey?

Funyest post o da yer.

[real chili 83]

Sandy,
The Teal Train has left the station, bro.

runah oop.

[real chili 83]

Choo, choo.  Lens is day drinking in the bar car.

How long have you been saving this one for?

Lens, you should be honored.

[The Lens]

Honored?  It has an eagle on it, should be a Warrior.

[GooooMarquette]

I think we should redshirt everyone except Ed, Sacar, Tommy Gardiner and a couple of walk-ons, and just see how it plays out.

I’d redshirt Ed and Sacar too and replace ‘em with a couple more walk-ons, but I don’t think they’d be eligible absent an injury waiver.

Either way, we’d really be loaded for ‘20-‘21.

[#UnleashSean]

There was a question as to whether Markus would be back for his senior year. Do you honestly and realistically think he'd agree to redshirt his senior season and delay his ultimate goal of M2N?  That's just kooky talk.

Anyone who thought Markus wasn't coming back for his senior year was smoking more weed then this threads op.

[Newsdreams]

Hey, this thread is staying on topic!

[Cheeks]

Has anyone actually followed the dumpster fire that it is Houston Cougar Football this year (where the idea of redshirting skilled players to delay them a year came from)?  Absolute disaster.  One of their players went on an epic Twitter rant against their coaching staff for the hypocrisy of preaching commitment and dedication to be successful, only to now start tanking the season in order to preserve everyone's status for next year.  Pretty damning stuff. 

I would be ashamed to be a fan and an alum of a school program that would do that (throw in the towel on an entire season) - especially after they just spend like $4 million annually on a new head coach.  Hilariously, Houston's President also went on record last year that the school will fire coaches for going 8-4.  I wonder what they do to coaches that finish 1-11? 

HUGE NO to redshirting seniors if the team encounters early season losses.  Fight until the end with what you have.

You mean unintended consequences happen to these changes in rules?

I am Stunned that such things would happen.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Has anyone actually followed the dumpster fire that it is Houston Cougar Football this year (where the idea of redshirting skilled players to delay them a year came from)?  Absolute disaster.  One of their players went on an epic Twitter rant against their coaching staff for the hypocrisy of preaching commitment and dedication to be successful, only to now start tanking the season in order to preserve everyone's status for next year.  Pretty damning stuff. 

I would be ashamed to be a fan and an alum of a school program that would do that (throw in the towel on an entire season) - especially after they just spend like $4 million annually on a new head coach.  Hilariously, Houston's President also went on record last year that the school will fire coaches for going 8-4.  I wonder what they do to coaches that finish 1-11? 

HUGE NO to redshirting seniors if the team encounters early season losses.  Fight until the end with what you have. 

As others have pointed out, this is only a rule for football.  No other sports use the rule.  And there are a lot of positive benefits to the rule.  If a player gets injured, they don't feel like they have to rush back because their eligibility is slipping away.  It gives others a taste of college football against a crappy team for the same reason.

Holgerson is abusing the rule.  But who is it harming exactly?  Not the players, who will get another year.  And if they graduate they may get that opportunity at another school.  He certainly is harming himself and his reputation, but if he has the backing of his athletic director, I think that's fine too. 

And of course the fans.  But of course the whole theory is that they are going to lose now for the sake of winning later.  Will that happen?  Who knows.  Under previous rules, he could have redshirted these guys for the entire season.  And that would have been just as controversial IMO.

So in the end, I just don't see what the problem is.  The person who is most likely to be harmed, is the guy whose a$$ is on the line.  The head coach.

[GooooMarquette]

Hey, this thread is staying on topic!

Red Delicious apples.

Discuss....

[Cheeks]

As others have pointed out, this is only a rule for football.  No other sports use the rule.  And there are a lot of positive benefits to the rule.  If a player gets injured, they don't feel like they have to rush back because their eligibility is slipping away.  It gives others a taste of college football against a crappy team for the same reason.

Holgerson is abusing the rule.  But who is it harming exactly?  Not the players, who will get another year.  And if they graduate they may get that opportunity at another school.  He certainly is harming himself and his reputation, but if he has the backing of his athletic director, I think that's fine too. 

And of course the fans.  But of course the whole theory is that they are going to lose now for the sake of winning later.  Will that happen?  Who knows.  Under previous rules, he could have redshirted these guys for the entire season.  And that would have been just as controversial IMO.

So in the end, I just don't see what the problem is.  The person who is most likely to be harmed, is the guy whose a$$ is on the line.  The head coach.

Happening at Rutgers right now.  Players opting to sit, leaving coach screwed.

Unintended consequences. Bizarre, silly rule.  4 games.  WTF.  Ridiculous.

[MU82]

Players opting to sit, leaving coach screwed.

Yeah! In the good old days, it was the coach who would quit, leaving the program screwed.

[Cheeks]

Yeah! In the good old days, it was the coach who would quit, leaving the program screwed.

Sometimes, yes, sometimes no.   An employee can do that, student athletes are not employees.  Huge difference.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Happening at Rutgers right now.  Players opting to sit, leaving coach screwed.

Unintended consequences. Bizarre, silly rule.  4 games.  WTF.  Ridiculous.

Wow.  Wonderful evidence there.  A sh*tty football program fired its sh*tty coach.  Stop the presses!

We already know your stance.  You don't like anything that gives student athletes options and you don't like change.  IOW, if you think its silly, it must be a good idea.

[Uncle Rico]

Good news for those kids redshirting at Houston and Rutger is, they still get an education to go along with crippling long-term pain and injuries and CTE.  Thankfully, they don’t get paid and retain amateur status to entertain fans

[WhiteTrash]

Good news for those kids redshirting at Houston and Rutger is, they still get an education to go along with crippling long-term pain and injuries and CTE.  Thankfully, they don’t get paid and retain amateur status to entertain fans

Come on. There are some sound and rational arguments to increase compensation and/or out right pay players but to suggest these players are some sort of abused circus animals is laughable. Your better than that.

99% of current or past college football players would never trade places with any 'regular' student and for very good reasons.

[Galway Eagle]

Come on. There are some sound and rational arguments to increase compensation and/or out right pay players but to suggest these players are some sort of abused circus animals is laughable. Your better than that.

99% of current or past college football players would never trade places with any 'regular' student and for very good reasons.

99% of current or past college football players wouldn't have been admitted to their universities without football

[lawdog77]

99% of current or past college football players wouldn't have been admitted to their universities without football

source?

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Lay off the weed, man.

[Nukem2]

source?

Obviously not 99%, but its a rather substantial % for sure.

[Cheeks]

source?

99% is high, but the number is large.  Take it also from many of our own former players of the past that have said without hoops, they never would have gone or been accepted to college.

[Cheeks]

Wow.  Wonderful evidence there.  A sh*tty football program fired its sh*tty coach.  Stop the presses!

We already know your stance.  You don't like anything that gives student athletes options and you don't like change.  IOW, if you think its silly, it must be a good idea.

Incorrect.  I like some things that give student athletes options, but think the balance of competition and the investment and risk schools take on them should not be thrown out the door and ignored.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Incorrect.  I like some things that give student athletes options, but think the balance of competition and the investment and risk schools take on them should not be thrown out the door and ignored.

Great great grandpa Chico’s thought Jim Crow laws were the unintended consequences of the silly Emancipation Proclamation.

[MU82]

Sometimes, yes, sometimes no.   An employee can do that, student athletes are not employees.  Huge difference.

Coaches look out for themselves. Players look out for themselves. No difference. Except the coach is paid zillions of dollars and has a fraud "buyout clause" in his contract.

I am glad to hear that you agree 100% with everything that courts have decided, though.

[Cheeks]

Great great grandpa Chico’s thought Jim Crow laws were the unintended consequences of the silly Emancipation Proclamation.

LOL.  How spectacularly wrong you are...great great grandpa Chicos was living in Europe.  Way to bring in politics.

[Cheeks]

Coaches look out for themselves. Players look out for themselves. No difference. Except the coach is paid zillions of dollars and has a fraud "buyout clause" in his contract.

I am glad to hear that you agree 100% with everything that courts have decided, though.

Zillions of dollars?  Most D1 coaches aren’t paid a million dollars, let alone a zillion (whatever that is).  Hyperbole again. 

I don’t agree with everything the courts say, neither do you.

[MU82]

Zillions of dollars?  Most D1 coaches aren’t paid a million dollars, let alone a zillion (whatever that is).  Hyperbole again. 

I don’t agree with everything the courts say, neither do you.

"zillions" is an informal way to say "lots of money." Which you knew.

I'm glad you disagree with a court's ridiculous opinion that college athletes aren't employees.

[Cheeks]

"zillions" is an informal way to say "lots of money." Which you knew.

I'm glad you disagree with a court's ridiculous opinion that college athletes aren't employees.

No, I actually don't agree with you.  They aren't employees.  Period.  For any number of reasons they are not employees as much as you would like them to be, and then you would like them to be the Union type, too....cuz of course you would.  Give an inch, take 20 miles...nope, not employees, not close to employees, courts got that right. The most liberal circuit court in the nation, the 9th circuit, affirmed the decision that the lower court made to dismiss the case in August of this year...they are not employees. This after the original case was filed in San Francisco in the hopes of getting a sympathetic judge...the case was dismissed there originally and appealed to the 9th. Maybe they'll appeal to the SCOTUS, where they will lose again.

[Jay Bee]

Great great grandpa Chico’s thought Jim Crow laws were the unintended consequences of the silly Emancipation Proclamation.

they b teechin dat at StN bro?

[lawdog77]

Obviously not 99%, but its a rather substantial % for sure.

1. Just curious if there is actual data, and
2. The number could not be anywhere 99, since Madison has such a high standard for admission, that there athletes would make up nearly 1% by themselves.

[MU82]

No, I actually don't agree with you.  They aren't employees.  Period.  For any number of reasons they are not employees as much as you would like them to be, and then you would like them to be the Union type, too....cuz of course you would.  Give an inch, take 20 miles...nope, not employees, not close to employees, courts got that right. The most liberal circuit court in the nation, the 9th circuit, affirmed the decision that the lower court made to dismiss the case in August of this year...they are not employees. This after the original case was filed in San Francisco in the hopes of getting a sympathetic judge...the case was dismissed there originally and appealed to the 9th. Maybe they'll appeal to the SCOTUS, where they will lose again.

Employees in everything but name. And salary. Thanks for agreeing with me.

[MU82]

The Lens.

Not sure if this is what you envisioned when you started this fun thread, but congrats again.

[WhiteTrash]

1. Just curious if there is actual data, and
2. The number could not be anywhere 99, since Madison has such a high standard for admission, that there athletes would make up nearly 1% by themselves.

Thank God Harvard is a somewhat decent safety school for UW-Madison student athletes or they would have to go to Yale if they didn't get accepted.

[Nukem2]

1. Just curious if there is actual data, and
2. The number could not be anywhere 99, since Madison has such a high standard for admission, that there athletes would make up nearly 1% by themselves.

Obviously, there is no actual data.  As for Madison, lol.

[Dawson Rental]

While we're talking about things that will never happen, how about bringing back football? Can we put a stadium on the BC lot now that it's clear?

Why is Jeff Bezos wasting one billion a year on a private space program when he could build his own Division I football champ at Marquette for half that?

I mean who's on the Moon to give him a trophy?

AND he could use half of the other half to make St. Thomas Big East basketball champs within ten years!

[The Lens]

The Lens.

Not sure if this is what you envisioned when you started this fun thread, but congrats again.

This is an amazing, amazing place.

[Dawson Rental]

Sometimes, yes, sometimes no.   An employee can do that, student athletes are not employees.  Huge difference.

No not employees, just the people that generate all the income.  Everytime you defend the NCAA revenue sports model, the clearer the hypocrisy becomes to me.

[Cheeks]

Employees in everything but name. And salary. Thanks for agreeing with me.

Sorry you don’t like what multiple courts have ruled.  Their reasoning very solid, I’d invite you to read it.

[Cheeks]

No not employees, just the people that generate all the income.  Everytime you defend the NCAA revenue sports model, the clearer the hypocrisy becomes to me.

Really...generate all the revenue...all of it.  LOL.   And I’m sorry, do these student athletes receive benefits as well? 

Let me know about all the revenue the track, soccer, fencing, volleyball, lacrosse, etc, etc, etc teams are generating while you are at it...so you can expose the “hypocrisy” even more.  LOL

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Hey, this thread is staying on topic!

Until chicos came and pooped in the thread, as usual.

[The Lens]

BUMP

[Dr. Blackheart]

BUMP

Lens needs some help to get the bar car rolling...

[Eldon]

Bump.

Is it too late for a medical redshirt?

We are all Sacar now.

#SacarchMadness

[We R Final Four]

Haha—well done.