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Benny B

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Oh, Bother.
« on: October 07, 2019, 02:17:11 PM »
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/south-park-banned-chinese-internet-band-in-china-1202179241/

You really have to hand it to Matt & Trey; LOL moments may be few and far between these days, but boy have they really stepped up their satire game to new levels.

I actually had this episode on in the background while I was reading about the whole NBA spat this morning.
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

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Re: Oh, Bother.
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2019, 02:35:44 PM »
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/south-park-banned-chinese-internet-band-in-china-1202179241/

You really have to hand it to Matt & Trey; LOL moments may be few and far between these days, but boy have they really stepped up their satire game to new levels.

I actually had this episode on in the background while I was reading about the whole NBA spat this morning.

Yeah, the NBA has really stepped in it on this one, especially when you compare their official statement about the Morey tweet in English versus the one in Simplified Chinese. It'll be interesting to see how far the media goes down the China rat hole on this one versus just surface level stuff about Morey being insensitive to Chinese sovereignty concerns
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Re: Oh, Bother.
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2019, 02:45:36 PM »
Yeah, the NBA has really stepped in it on this one, especially when you compare their official statement about the Morey tweet in English versus the one in Simplified Chinese. It'll be interesting to see how far the media goes down the China rat hole on this one versus just surface level stuff about Morey being insensitive to Chinese sovereignty concerns

The situation was interesting and disappointing by the NBA...then I saw the tweet from Joe Tsai (Alibaba co-founder and owner of the Brooklyn Nets) which was full on Chinese government propaganda and was like "oh lord, here we go"

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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2019, 02:49:48 PM »
The situation was interesting and disappointing by the NBA...then I saw the tweet from Joe Tsai (Alibaba co-founder and owner of the Brooklyn Nets) which was full on Chinese government propaganda and was like "oh lord, here we go"

Yeah, his statement is going to most likely escalate the media coverage.....I think. Making a statement to the effect of "I don't care what your opinion is this is an internal affair" is not one that enterprising sports media reporters are likely to let sit.....I hope
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Re: Oh, Bother.
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2019, 03:09:26 PM »
Yeah, the NBA has really stepped in it on this one, especially when you compare their official statement about the Morey tweet in English versus the one in Simplified Chinese. It'll be interesting to see how far the media goes down the China rat hole on this one versus just surface level stuff about Morey being insensitive to Chinese sovereignty concerns

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/07/us-businesses-like-the-nba-are-chinas-willing-tools/

"The NBA backs its players speaking up about American police abuse—but goes into panic mode if its staff back protesting the Hong Kong police. It’s not alone. Contrast Apple’s behavior in the United States with its actions in China. In the United States, Apple has fought for privacy rights, even challenging the FBI itself. In China, it rolls over as soon as the state barks. In part, that’s because tackling state power is possible in the United States. Chinese firms must humiliate themselves before party power, from pledging eternal loyalty to President Xi Jinping to letting party cells into their management structure and writing self-criticism letters. Yet U.S. firms also have much more ability to push back against Chinese censorship—and the option not to be in China at all. Very few of them have ever done so."
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Re: Oh, Bother.
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2019, 05:14:01 PM »
Maybe James Harden can intervene.

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Re: Oh, Bother.
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2019, 06:38:35 PM »
Maybe James Harden can intervene.

Yes, he can help the NBA take a few extra steps in the right direction.
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Re: Oh, Bother.
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2019, 06:50:15 PM »
Yes, he can help the NBA take a few extra steps in the right direction.


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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2019, 09:36:56 PM »
Yes, he can help the NBA take a few extra steps in the right direction.

I’m not sure his comments today did that...
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2019, 10:39:39 PM »
I’m not sure his comments today did that...

It was a traveling joke.  He travels.   You know, like during a basketball game,  he picks up his dribble then takes more steps than the rules allow.  Like a lot more.  It was a traveling joke.

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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2019, 10:48:50 PM »
It was a traveling joke.  He travels.   You know, like during a basketball game,  he picks up his dribble then takes more steps than the rules allow.  Like a lot more.  It was a traveling joke.

I got it then and still get it now...
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Re: Oh, Bother.
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2019, 08:11:47 AM »
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"We are strongly dissatisfied and we oppose Silver’s claim to support Morey’s right of free expression. We believe that any speech that challenges national sovereignty and social stability is not within the scope of freedom of speech."

That's more of China's cancel culture for ya.

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Re: Oh, Bother.
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2019, 09:41:29 AM »
According to CNBC this morning, South Park has been banned in China over the aptly-named episode, "Band in China/"  Self-fulfilling prophecy or regular prophecy?

There was a time when I thought The Simpsons was timely in lampooning current events, but South Park has taken it almost to the point of real-time.  It makes me think about the time when Homer asked the director if the cartoon was airing live, and the director's response was that it was too challenging for the animators...

Other than South Park and SNL, are there any other programs on TV today that produces each episode entirely within the six day window before it airs (other than news/media-related shows)?
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2019, 09:50:46 AM »
That's more of China's cancel culture for ya.

China: We fully support freedom of speech as long as that speech has nothing to do with freedom or speech.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2019, 09:52:29 AM »
According to CNBC this morning, South Park has been banned in China over the aptly-named episode, "Band in China/"  Self-fulfilling prophecy or regular prophecy?

There was a time when I thought The Simpsons was timely in lampooning current events, but South Park has taken it almost to the point of real-time.  It makes me think about the time when Homer asked the director if the cartoon was airing live, and the director's response was that it was too challenging for the animators...

Other than South Park and SNL, are there any other programs on TV today that produces each episode entirely within the six day window before it airs (other than news/media-related shows)?

Not that I'm aware of....I remember seeing a documentary or something by the South Park team where they talked about their ability to react in near real time to world events and how they had to pick and choose when they did it. For the first time in a while I'm going to record South Park on Wednesday cause I guarantee they will fire back.
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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2019, 10:22:28 AM »
The Super Woke crew choosing China and $$$ over freedom.   

Interesting times...
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2019, 10:24:57 AM »
The Super Woke crew choosing China and $$$ over freedom.   

Interesting times...

you definitely make this website better and not worse for everyone.

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2019, 10:30:23 AM »
you definitely make this website better and not worse for everyone.

He will get this joke then and will still get this joke now.......
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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2019, 11:01:55 AM »
According to CNBC this morning, South Park has been banned in China over the aptly-named episode, "Band in China/"  Self-fulfilling prophecy or regular prophecy?

There was a time when I thought The Simpsons was timely in lampooning current events, but South Park has taken it almost to the point of real-time.  It makes me think about the time when Homer asked the director if the cartoon was airing live, and the director's response was that it was too challenging for the animators...

Other than South Park and SNL, are there any other programs on TV today that produces each episode entirely within the six day window before it airs (other than news/media-related shows)?

although it sort of falls under news/media-related shows, Showtime's THE CIRCUS: Inside the Wildest Political Show on Earth might qualify.

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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2019, 11:04:37 AM »
China: We fully support freedom of speech as long as that speech has nothing to do with freedom or speech.

Silver put out about as perfect a statement as he could in that situation, and China doesn't even attempt to hide their suppression of free speech and throws a fit that they wouldn't bend the knee.  Unreal, but not surprising.  Also tells me that HK is done for.  China won't back down

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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2019, 11:09:35 AM »
Other than South Park and SNL, are there any other programs on TV today that produces each episode entirely within the six day window before it airs (other than news/media-related shows)?

Some sports-related programming, i.e. Inside the NFL, Hard Knocks, the NHL's Road to the Winter Classic series.

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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2019, 11:20:43 AM »
Silver put out about as perfect a statement as he could in that situation, and China doesn't even attempt to hide their suppression of free speech and throws a fit that they wouldn't bend the knee.  Unreal, but not surprising.  Also tells me that HK is done for.  China won't back down


Of course they won't.  Anyone with a functioning brain knew and knows this is hopeless. 
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2019, 01:16:31 PM »
So does this mean Scoop is blocked in China?
Anyone here ever try to access Scoop while traveling over there?
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Re: Oh, Bother.
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2019, 01:23:56 PM »
So does this mean Scoop is blocked in China?
Anyone here ever try to access Scoop while traveling over there?

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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2019, 01:24:09 PM »

Of course they won't.  Anyone with a functioning brain knew and knows this is hopeless.

And this is why it's important that the NBA and other corporations not buckle.....the only leverage against China is their own economic interest.
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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2019, 02:37:00 PM »
So does this mean Scoop is blocked in China?
Anyone here ever try to access Scoop while traveling over there?

I havent had any issues.  Ive logged into Scoop from Shenzhen, Shanghai, and Chengdu.  But after this, all bets may be off ;D

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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2019, 02:50:34 PM »
Wonder how DWade will react?

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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2019, 03:00:49 PM »
Interesting rumors coming out of HK.....there are starting to be indications that China is going to declare that HK must follow Chinese data sovereignty rules starting January 1st. For the uninitiated, amongst a lot of other IP concerns this would require any one that stores or transits data within HK to turn their encryption keys over to the Chinese government. Meaning the can read anyone's email, look at anyone's bank accounts, look at any companies big data set, etc.

Given the financial and tech companies with operations in HK this could turn into a big, big problem. My company is already making moves to off shore our AP data center from HK to somewhere else in the region.

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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2019, 03:29:59 PM »
Interesting rumors coming out of HK.....there are starting to be indications that China is going to declare that HK must follow Chinese data sovereignty rules starting January 1st. For the uninitiated, amongst a lot of other IP concerns this would require any one that stores or transits data within HK to turn their encryption keys over to the Chinese government. Meaning the can read anyone's email, look at anyone's bank accounts, look at any companies big data set, etc.

Given the financial and tech companies with operations in HK this could turn into a big, big problem. My company is already making moves to off shore our AP data center from HK to somewhere else in the region.



I said early on that Chinese aggression starting with the extradition stuff would mean the end of HK as a business hub, and this solidifies it.  China has pushed Shanghai as a center for that kind of stuff, but its never been a global financial center like HK.  And it never will be with that sort of oversight.  Wild times.  Ive been to HK 10+ times since 2016 with a regular cadence and at this point, I'm not sure when I'll be back.

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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2019, 07:41:33 PM »
Yep, HK is now just another Chinese city.  Very sad, because it was always a very unique, very special place.  I know hundreds of people who got out before 97... they all predicted exactly what is happening. 
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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2019, 08:45:06 PM »
my nephew, who is an animator for south park said it's bat chit crazy over there.  during the 2016 election, matt and trey were under strict orders-nothing about HC.  so i'm a little surprised comedy central let this one fly
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« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2019, 09:34:02 PM »
my nephew, who is an animator for south park said it's bat chit crazy over there.  during the 2016 election, matt and trey were under strict orders-nothing about HC.  so i'm a little surprised comedy central let this one fly

South Park isn't bound by cc. Everyone knows trey and park don't need cc and don't need South Park. If cc were to tell them to stop they would move to any none it's channel they wanted and it would be the biggest bid war in all of cable history

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« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2019, 10:21:45 PM »
my nephew, who is an animator for south park said it's bat chit crazy over there.  during the 2016 election, matt and trey were under strict orders-nothing about HC.  so i'm a little surprised comedy central let this one fly

Hillary appeared as a character also known as Turd Sandwich in the weeks before the 2016 election.


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« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2019, 11:17:20 PM »
Was surprised Steve Kerr didn’t have a comment...he normally is not short of those...
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« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2019, 05:15:41 AM »
Hillary appeared as a character also known as Turd Sandwich in the weeks before the 2016 election.

But did you know?  His nephew is an animator.  So he knows.

Well except 4 episodes in 2016.

https://wiki.southpark.cc.com/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

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« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2019, 05:19:41 AM »
South Park isn't bound by cc. Everyone knows trey and park don't need cc and don't need South Park. If cc were to tell them to stop they would move to any none it's channel they wanted and it would be the biggest bid war in all of cable history

everyone knows this?  and i supposed everyone knew they were going to re-sign with comedy central and not go off and start their own network as well
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« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2019, 06:08:27 AM »
Hillary appeared as a character also known as Turd Sandwich in the weeks before the 2016 election.

  you're right on that one pakman, they must have got it o.k'd because it had some balance with the "giant douche" and the "turd sandwich",  but i know for a fact that after the election, trey and matt held a meeting in which elon musk was present(don't know why) in which they apologized for some of the rejected material which led to more close calls than usual to get the show in by the deadline.  and yes, it was mainly because of some "restricted content" they had to change at the last minute.  they just announced a renewal for seasons 24-26 a few weeks ago- let's just say comedy central didn't want to repeat the mistakes of abc and i will bet matt and trey have a little more leeway going forward

  and yes, contrary to what mr cain seems to be all knowing on, comedy central is not his strong point.  CC does have a say in some of their stuff just as any network has a say in what is aired...right tim allen?  abc sure didn't cancel "last man standing" after season 6 for a lack of viewership.  i guess they just couldn't afford the production costs though, right cain?  fox broadcasting picked it up for season 7 faster than a nickle harlot on 47th and cicero and has just started season 8. 

   
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« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2019, 08:08:54 AM »
  you're right on that one pakman, they must have got it o.k'd because it had some balance with the "giant douche" and the "turd sandwich",  but i know for a fact that after the election, trey and matt held a meeting in which elon musk was present(don't know why) in which they apologized for some of the rejected material which led to more close calls than usual to get the show in by the deadline.  and yes, it was mainly because of some "restricted content" they had to change at the last minute.  they just announced a renewal for seasons 24-26 a few weeks ago- let's just say comedy central didn't want to repeat the mistakes of abc and i will bet matt and trey have a little more leeway going forward

  and yes, contrary to what mr cain seems to be all knowing on, comedy central is not his strong point.  CC does have a say in some of their stuff just as any network has a say in what is aired...right tim allen?  abc sure didn't cancel "last man standing" after season 6 for a lack of viewership.  i guess they just couldn't afford the production costs though, right cain?  fox broadcasting picked it up for season 7 faster than a nickle harlot on 47th and cicero and has just started season 8. 

 

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« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2019, 08:55:30 AM »
Yep, HK is now just another Chinese city.  Very sad, because it was always a very unique, very special place.  I know hundreds of people who got out before 97... they all predicted exactly what is happening.

Yeah it may even end up worse than that because as the global eye turns away from HK the Chinese government will absolutely crack down and HK will have little to know business or economic value in the world at large. The Chinese government wants to bring the HK workload to Shanghai.

I just want to know where all the people are to decry Chinese totalitarianism....mostly tripping over themselves trying to get into the Chinese market I guess
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« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2019, 09:03:08 AM »
I’m old enough to remember as a high school student when the UK and China agreed to a transfer where Ho g Kong would no longer be a British colony and become property of China.  That was the mid 80’s and the transfer was the late 90’s.  There were many people concerned this would end up going south eventually.

I cannot remember the deal details, but I thought China had to promise to preserve HK the way it was economically and politically for a long period of time....like 50yrs..75yrs...cannot recall.

Will they hold up their end of the bargain.  Back in the day the folks that were against the transfer said no.

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« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2019, 09:40:09 AM »
It was 50 years.

And remember that the UK only held a lease on Hong Kong until the late 90s.  China had made it known in the mid 80s that they would consider taking HK by force when the lease was up, so the UK didn't have a lot of leverage.
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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2019, 10:43:48 AM »
In 1898, China leased HK to GB for 99 years in partial settlement over losing the first opium war with GB....

 over Tea, and over GB's insistence on making payment for tea by its forced importing of narcotic opium to the Chinese...who became hooked. Dope for tea. GB was a drug pusher

In 1984 (M Thatcher) negotiated the terms of the ending/turnover of their colony of HK to the Chinese, per the 99 year lease ending. Hong Kong would remain a semi-autonomous region (free port with a separate customs territory,capitalism, democratic)  for a 50-year period after the lease ended on July 1, 1997 .

Now, GB could likely argue the turnover treaty is being broken almost 30 years early by the Chinese...but to what end? They aren't getting HK back and ....

most folks nowadays frown on govt promoted sales of opium. Well....To an extent....

China makes and sells the more powerful fentanyl, and in the USA,  opium sales are a capitalist boom to the pharmaceutical industry.
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2019, 06:44:19 PM »
But did you know?  His nephew is an animator.  So he knows.

Well except 4 episodes in 2016.

https://wiki.southpark.cc.com/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

strict orders and all.

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 They(SP) were restricted with some material re cankles.  Waiting to hear back from him on an update and I will clarify the situation.


      The only reason I used my nephew as a source was to qualify my comment. And yes I am kinda geeked and proud of him working there. Very very talented self taught artist from Wisconsin.  He’s been working on a South Park video game as well. Showed me how complicated it was to create etc etc. 
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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2019, 06:51:43 PM »
Feel better that you got your little jab in BrY?  Maybe someday even you might meet someone cool.  No, your 5th grade reading tutor, your drug dealers and probation agents don’t count

 They(SP) were restricted with some material re cankles.  Waiting to hear back from him on an update and I will clarify the situation.


      The only reason I used my nephew as a source was to qualify my comment. And yes I am kinda geeked and proud of him working there. Very very talented self taught artist from Wisconsin.  He’s been working on a South Park video game as well. Showed me how complicated it was to create etc etc.

Its an awesome job no doubt.  I have SERIOUS doubts that they weren't allowed to talk about Hillary's cankles... since they made an entire episode about her vagina.

But hey man, whatever you gotta push.

Regarding your sad insults... bro, I'm not the one that has problems typing in complete sentences... So maybe pick something else?  My long hair is played out, I've never been into drugs, and you can easily find out if I've been arrested (I haven't) since you're so obsessed with stalking me online.

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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2019, 07:45:27 PM »
Feel better that you got your little jab in BrY?  Maybe someday even you might meet someone cool.  No, your 5th grade reading tutor, your drug dealers and probation agents don’t count

 They(SP) were restricted with some material re cankles.  Waiting to hear back from him on an update and I will clarify the situation.


      The only reason I used my nephew as a source was to qualify my comment. And yes I am kinda geeked and proud of him working there. Very very talented self taught artist from Wisconsin.  He’s been working on a South Park video game as well. Showed me how complicated it was to create etc etc.

The only thing CC has EVER censored from south park was the Muhammed episode. Which was done without approval from the SP creators. This sparked a very large argument between the two and if I remember correctly Trey and Matt stopped creating episodes for a few weeks afterwards.

Matt and Trey do NOT need SP. They are very successful in other ventures. They only produce it because they find enjoyment out of it. I would be willing to bet a fairly large sum that if CC were to ever start censoring Trey and Matt on things such as cankles then they would stop producing episodes then and there.

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« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2019, 08:12:40 PM »
SP wasn’t censored. Made-up story. Typical conspiratorial paranoia around HRC, who people in my Republican Party are just obsessed with.

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« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2019, 08:31:00 PM »
Its an awesome job no doubt.  I have SERIOUS doubts that they weren't allowed to talk about Hillary's cankles... since they made an entire episode about her vagina.

But hey man, whatever you gotta push.

Regarding your sad insults... bro, I'm not the one that has problems typing in complete sentences... So maybe pick something else?  My long hair is played out, I've never been into drugs, and you can easily find out if I've been arrested (I haven't) since you're so obsessed with stalking me online.

I just talked to him, he said it’s Viacom(owns CC) that tells trey and Matt how far they can push the envelope.  I don’t know why you feel the need to doubt that that. If you have proof that this doesn’t happen, then I’m all ears.  As I said, “last man standing” was another one the big guys didn’t like what they were hearing. Speaking of Hong Kong, we have some of that right here.

I can turn on the grammar and all that bullschmit when I need to...and on scoop, I don’t need to.  It’s how I roll man. Stalking?  Umm, no, don’t flatter yourself so much
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« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2019, 09:56:15 PM »
Looks like teams are already prepping for a significant salary cap hit next year. 15% according to this.

https://twitter.com/keithsmithnba/status/1182092945366962177?s=21

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« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2019, 11:53:07 PM »
I just talked to him, he said it’s Viacom(owns CC) that tells trey and Matt how far they can push the envelope.  I don’t know why you feel the need to doubt that that. If you have proof that this doesn’t happen, then I’m all ears.  As I said, “last man standing” was another one the big guys didn’t like what they were hearing. Speaking of Hong Kong, we have some of that right here.

I can turn on the grammar and all that bullschmit when I need to...and on scoop, I don’t need to.  It’s how I roll man. Stalking?  Umm, no, don’t flatter yourself so much

Semantics.  There’s a clause in the contract that basically says “Matt and Trey can’t cross the line.”  Viacom is constantly telling CC and SPS where that line is subject to their own interpretation; if Matt and Trey disagree, they can put the line wherever they want. 

If there’s a dispute, it’s up to an administrative judge to decide.  But it’s neither gone that far, nor will it, because all four parties have more to lose by sending it to court than they do if they just let it go for that week. 

Besides, public controversy sans court action is very lucrative for everyone involved these days.
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« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2019, 12:07:26 AM »
Looks like teams are already prepping for a significant salary cap hit next year. 15% according to this.

https://twitter.com/keithsmithnba/status/1182092945366962177?s=21

If they have to actually do this, it can fundamentally change the league in a lot of ways. 

It might even lead to a player strike.
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« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2019, 05:06:48 AM »
I just talked to him, he said it’s Viacom(owns CC) that tells trey and Matt how far they can push the envelope.  I don’t know why you feel the need to doubt that that. If you have proof that this doesn’t happen, then I’m all ears.  As I said, “last man standing” was another one the big guys didn’t like what they were hearing. Speaking of Hong Kong, we have some of that right here.

I can turn on the grammar and all that bullschmit when I need to...and on scoop, I don’t need to.  It’s how I roll man. Stalking?  Umm, no, don’t flatter yourself so much

Comparing Hong Kong to a message board is a tad on the disgusting side.

Also, you and your bois literally chased down pictures of me and my friends and family to attempt to bully me off the board.  But that's not stalking.  Its uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... like I said, whatever gets you to sleep at night.

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« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2019, 06:34:57 AM »
Comparing Hong Kong to a message board is a tad on the disgusting side.

Also, you and your bois literally chased down pictures of me and my friends and family to attempt to bully me off the board.  But that's not stalking.  Its uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... like I said, whatever gets you to sleep at night.

When did that happen? That's literally crazy

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« Reply #52 on: October 10, 2019, 06:40:52 AM »
When did that happen? That's literally crazy

Not the first time they have done it.  And I’ll just leave it at that.

Really why people care who people actually are on this board I have no idea. People deserve anonymity if they want it. 
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« Reply #53 on: October 10, 2019, 07:08:17 AM »
Not the first time they have done it.  And I’ll just leave it at that.

Really why people care who people actually are on this board I have no idea. People deserve anonymity if they want it.

Is that why someone previously mentioned you might have been "blackmailed" or intimidated or whatever under "sultan"? They tried to dox you and get you off the board?

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« Reply #54 on: October 10, 2019, 09:11:01 AM »
Is that why someone previously mentioned you might have been "blackmailed" or intimidated or whatever under "sultan"? They tried to dox you and get you off the board?

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« Reply #55 on: October 10, 2019, 09:59:23 AM »
I would hope anybody who has been stalked or bullied by other members of this board would be, at a minimum, complaining to the moderators.
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« Reply #56 on: October 10, 2019, 10:52:04 AM »
Why aren't these people permanently banned? Like wtf

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Why aren't these people permanently banned? Like wtf
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« Reply #58 on: October 10, 2019, 11:35:05 AM »
This discussion really took a turn. Funny, how it's the same few individuals who always seem to be the pivot point for otherwise good discussions. Kinda makes the value of participating diminish when Scoops Law is in place.

The longer a thread expands, the probability that [1 of about 5 posters] will ruin it increases to 1.

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« Reply #59 on: October 10, 2019, 06:18:16 PM »
This discussion really took a turn. Funny, how it's the same few individuals who always seem to be the pivot point for otherwise good discussions. Kinda makes the value of participating diminish when Scoops Law is in place.

The longer a thread expands, the probability that [1 of about 5 posters] will ruin it increases to 1.

You’re right about this

I just don’t understand why such a push back from the “victims” above when I point something out from a solid inside source.  I’m making none of this up.  It’s reality and it happens. Some of you act like it’s a personal attack  my family member has worked at SP for 15+ years, loves it and loves working for Matt and trey.  It’s the big guys who control the narrative-always have and always will
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« Reply #60 on: October 10, 2019, 06:24:12 PM »
You’re right about this

I just don’t understand why such a push back from the “victims” above when I point something out from a solid inside source.  I’m making none of this up.  It’s reality and it happens. Some of you act like it’s a personal attack  my family member has worked at SP for 15+ years, loves it and loves working for Matt and trey.  It’s the big guys who control the narrative-always have and always will

It’s not what is said, it is who says the what. 

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« Reply #61 on: October 10, 2019, 07:04:33 PM »
It’s not what is said, it is who says the what.

I just think it’s kinda cool always when someone within the scoop community has something unique to add.

...you are right on cheeks!


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« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2019, 09:29:44 AM »
lol Sure guys. It’s that people don’t like the messenger that is why thread after thread gets derailed.

Introspection, some people have it. Some people don’t.

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« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2019, 09:59:17 AM »
Cheeks and Rocket right now

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« Reply #64 on: October 11, 2019, 05:50:59 PM »
So eng-man, every time someone agrees with another scooper, it’s a bro hug?  Is this your guys way to try to discourage “us guys” from complimenting each other?  Dumb question...  I don’t care if the poster was hards.  I would have agreed and maybe even hugged him too ;). Or just said nothing.  Hell, 82 and I have even agreed on some things-whoa whoa, as the clouds have opened and the angels sing Eyn’a?

   
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« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2019, 10:16:16 PM »
lol Sure guys. It’s that people don’t like the messenger that is why thread after thread gets derailed.

Introspection, some people have it. Some people don’t.

You completely miss it.  Who says it has a ton to do with the level outrage.  To deny this is bizarre.
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« Reply #66 on: October 12, 2019, 05:52:33 AM »
You completely miss it.  Who says it has a ton to do with the level outrage.  To deny this is bizarre.

Yup. Everyone is just suuuuuper mean to you. If only we would all embrace your universal off topic thread hijackings all the board’s problems would disappear.

How could I have missed it that your bad posts are actually our fault.

Truly, I now see the light.

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« Reply #67 on: October 12, 2019, 06:45:12 AM »
Ignore feature is your friend.
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« Reply #68 on: October 12, 2019, 09:37:18 AM »
Ignore feature is your friend.

Yes it is but I’m an equal opportunity scooper who knows how to exercise some restraint.  I appreciate everyone’s response whether I agree or disagree. Inquiring minds...
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« Reply #69 on: October 12, 2019, 09:41:49 AM »
Yup. Everyone is just suuuuuper mean to you. If only we would all embrace your universal off topic thread hijackings all the board’s problems would disappear.

How could I have missed it that your bad posts are actually our fault.

Truly, I now see the light.

Lol.  You are wearing sunglasses at night, Cory.
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« Reply #70 on: October 15, 2019, 06:54:04 PM »
Yes it is but I’m an equal opportunity scooper who knows how to exercise some restraint.  I appreciate everyone’s response whether I agree or disagree. Inquiring minds...

That's the crux of the problem.  You made it personal rather then keeping things about the discussion at hand.   Then you try to make yourself the victim... and most people don't buy it.

So don't be surprised when people can smell what you're stepping in.

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« Reply #71 on: October 15, 2019, 07:31:59 PM »
That's the crux of the problem.  You made it personal rather then keeping things about the discussion at hand.   Then you try to make yourself the victim... and most people don't buy it.

So don't be surprised when people can smell what you're stepping in.

Projection much?  Oh brotha...you and sully done crying together yet?  Using your “victim” thing is exactly what you are accusing me of ::)  Whatever it is that I may be stepping in, I’m wiping off on your floor
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« Reply #72 on: October 15, 2019, 08:52:23 PM »
Projection much?  Oh brotha...you and sully done crying together yet?  Using your “victim” thing is exactly what you are accusing me of ::)  Whatever it is that I may be stepping in, I’m wiping off on your floor

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