Recruits at Madness

[wadesworld]

Do these guys all have their MU student IDs ready to pick up their tickets for the event?

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Silly.  Sam and Joey competed in the Big East just fine.

On the defensive and athleticism end? What games were u watching

[The Sultan]

On the defensive and athleticism end? What games were u watching

You said we need to chalk up "Hauser ball" as a recruiting mistake. That's silly. Especially considering they transferred to two of last years final four teams.

[thebigjake]

https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/1179085940280700932?s=21

I don't care if he can play or not. Anyone named Foster Wonders gets a scholarship in my book.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

You said we need to chalk up "Hauser ball" as a recruiting mistake. That's silly. Especially considering they transferred to two of last years final four teams.

Its unfortunate ur intelligence only allowed u to grasp onto two words of my entire post.  My condolences.

[brewcity77]

I don't care if he can play or not. Anyone named Foster Wonders gets a scholarship in my book.

And when he makes his decision, the "Foster Knows" headline is ready to go.

[thebigjake]

And when he makes his decision, the "Foster Knows" headline is ready to go.

Bravo

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

An unranked recruit will hardly foster wonders for the Marquette program.

[The Sultan]

Its unfortunate ur intelligence only allowed u to grasp onto two words of my entire post.  My condolences.

Nice backtrack.  I re-read what you wrote, and even though it looked like it was written by a third grader, I understood it completely.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Funny that our coaches, commentators and most of the board felt that our lack of athleticism n transition were our biggest weknesses last year.  Time to take tge Hauser boy's bobble heads out from under ur pillow.

[GOO]

You said we need to chalk up "Hauser ball" as a recruiting mistake. That's silly. Especially considering they transferred to two of last years final four teams.

The Hauser are solid to very good players.   Sam is a big loss.  Joey will be a big loss over time and should be a very good player.  However, they are not great at most things, a step slow, which is n a strange way a bonus because that makes them four year college players (or 5 for Sam now and maybe 5 for Joey). 

The issue with the Hauser is not that they weren't good, it is just that having both on the floor at the same time was a bit of a problem.  Both are a step slow on D.  One slower guy on D can be covered over a lot of the time, but not two.  (this is also part of why I doubt we see 2 bigs playing at the same time this year, especially if none of them can shoot the 3 ball).

I am ignoring the roll that Joey played in the teams meltdown and ignoring how Joey played down the stretch and his avoiding passing to Howard, fumbling the ball away or traveling, etc.  That is all very unfortunate, and hopefully a learning experience for Joey on how to better handle things and himself when he feels wronged.  Ignoring this stuff, we are a better team with them on it than without.  Or at least with one of them on it preferably Sam.   Both playing together put us behind on D on rotation.  But Joey as a center, on the right team, is the spot for him.

[tower912]

I have theorized in the past and it still rolls around in the back of my mind that, assuming status quo, i.e. none of the rumored transfers if the Hausers stayed, Joey was not guaranteed a starting job this year.     And he would be competing with Sam for minutes at the 4 and some occasional time at the 5.     Koby was going to start.    Markus was going to start.    Theo was going to start (maybe Jayce now, but I don't think Jayce comes if the Hausers stayed).     Which leaves Sacar, Sam and Joey competing for starting jobs at the forward positions.    Sacar's defense gives him the nod over Joey.  Sam back to being a stretch 4.     And with the way Bailey came on at the end of the year, particularly at the defensive end, that would be more competition for minutes.

Don't forget, early last season Bailey was starting and Joey was coming off the bench.   IMO, that was for defensive reasons, but Joey started hitting shots and Brendan went ice cold.       Alas.     If they had stayed, MU would still be in the top 10 in a lot of preseason forecasts.   

Onward to the next recruiting class. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

I have theorized in the past and it still rolls around in the back of my mind that, assuming status quo, i.e. none of the rumored transfers if the Hausers stayed, Joey was not guaranteed a starting job this year.     And he would be competing with Sam for minutes at the 4 and some occasional time at the 5.     Koby was going to start.    Markus was going to start.    Theo was going to start (maybe Jayce now, but I don't think Jayce comes if the Hausers stayed).     Which leaves Sacar, Sam and Joey competing for starting jobs at the forward positions.    Sacar's defense gives him the nod over Joey.  Sam back to being a stretch 4.     And with the way Bailey came on at the end of the year, particularly at the defensive end, that would be more competition for minutes.

Don't forget, early last season Bailey was starting and Joey was coming off the bench.   IMO, that was for defensive reasons, but Joey started hitting shots and Brendan went ice cold.       Alas.     If they had stayed, MU would still be in the top 10 in a lot of preseason forecasts.   

Onward to the next recruiting class.

I think we heard rumblings that Greg was going to start at guard as well.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I have theorized in the past and it still rolls around in the back of my mind that, assuming status quo, i.e. none of the rumored transfers if the Hausers stayed, Joey was not guaranteed a starting job this year.     And he would be competing with Sam for minutes at the 4 and some occasional time at the 5.     Koby was going to start.    Markus was going to start.    Theo was going to start (maybe Jayce now, but I don't think Jayce comes if the Hausers stayed).     Which leaves Sacar, Sam and Joey competing for starting jobs at the forward positions.    Sacar's defense gives him the nod over Joey.  Sam back to being a stretch 4.     And with the way Bailey came on at the end of the year, particularly at the defensive end, that would be more competition for minutes.

Don't forget, early last season Bailey was starting and Joey was coming off the bench.   IMO, that was for defensive reasons, but Joey started hitting shots and Brendan went ice cold.       Alas.     If they had stayed, MU would still be in the top 10 in a lot of preseason forecasts.   

Onward to the next recruiting class.

Did Joey even deserve to be starting during BE play last year?!?!  And he got worse as the year went on, was thourougly out played by Ed, bailey, and jamal.  Got more minutes than he deserved.  I realize he was only a freshman but in the heart of a battle that doesnt matter, results do and down the stretch he got the benefit of the doubt far far too often.  I think Wojo coddled him.  He was only a frshman and clearly will be better in years 2-3-4..., but his lack of athleticism coupled with Sams dictated he receive fewer minutes last year and this year had he stayed. 
You are correct, hard to hide both Hausers when they are trying to guard switchables with far more athleticisn than themselves, constant scramble n help. Look forward to watching guys this year with the ability to actually keep someone in front of them.  Its been awhile.

[The Sultan]

Did Joey even deserve to be starting during BE play last year?!?!  And he got worse as the year went on, was thourougly out played by Ed, bailey, and jamal. 

Joey deserved to start but hit the wall in late January.  At that time his minutes decreased and Bailey's increased mostly due to what he brought on the defensive end.  However it's not like Brendan was setting the word on fire offensively by any stretch.  His season EFG was .416 and hit double digit scoring for a grand total of one game during conference play.

And Jamal? No way. He was pretty bad on both ends of the floor all year.

Now could Ed and Theo have played together more?  (Did they ever?)  Maybe.

[The Sultan]

nm

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Joey deserved to start but hit the wall in late January.  At that time his minutes decreased and Bailey's increased mostly due to what he brought on the defensive end.  However it's not like Brendan was setting the word on fire offensively by any stretch.  His season EFG was .416 and hit double digit scoring for a grand total of one game during conference play.

And Jamal? No way. He was pretty bad on both ends of the floor all year.

Now could Ed and Theo have played together more?  (Did they ever?)  Maybe.

So ur now using brendans offense to excuse the fact that joey and his brother played bad defense.  And when things went sour for joey his offense sucked too when turnovers are factored in.
Bottom line during the 3 years that the Hausers were on the team MU had two horribly horribly atrocious defenses and one season of ok at best defense.  Deny it all u want.  Other coaches were not interested in taking them both for a reason.  Hopefully Wojo has learned his lesson of trying to defend with unathletic players

[Its DJOver]

The worst individual defender in the Wojo era was Rowsey.  Once Rowsey left, the defense improved dramatically.  Use this information however you want.

[Lennys Tap]

Bottom line during the 3 years that the Hausers were on the team MU had two horribly horribly atrocious defenses and one season of ok at best defense.  Deny it all u want.  Other coaches were not interested in taking them both for a reason.  Hopefully Wojo has learned his lesson of trying to defend with unathletic players

The "Hausers" weren't on the team for 3 years. They were on for one. The one when the defense was much improved from previous Wojo coached teams.

[tower912]

Playing Rowsey and Howard next to each other was far worse defensively than playing Sam and Joey next to each other.   

[Pakuni]

The "Hausers" weren't on the team for 3 years. They were on for one. The one when the defense was much improved from previous Wojo coached teams.

Mere coincidence?
Yes.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Playing Rowsey and Howard next to each other was far worse defensively than playing Sam and Joey next to each other.

U guys keep wanting to shift the playing field.  The discussion was not weher the team was worse defensively with rowsey and howard or hauser n hauser.  The issue is we had prolly a combination of the two least athletic defenders in the BE on the court when brothers Hauser were out there together.  Were we better than the year before sure.  But we still had two turnstiles out there at the same time, one can be protected.  Two cannot be. Last 6 weeks of the season we could not stop anyone.

[brewcity77]

U guys keep wanting to shift the playing field.  The discussion was not weher the team was worse defensively with rowsey and howard or hauser n hauser.  The issue is we had prolly a combination of the two least athletic defenders in the BE on the court when brothers Hauser were out there together.  Were we better than the year before sure.  But we still had two turnstiles out there at the same time, one can be protected.  Two cannot be. Last 6 weeks of the season we could not stop anyone.

This is overstating things. Joey was a turnstile. Sam understood how to play in the system. It's why he was one of our best defenders as a freshman. He understood the system and what we wanted to do. He was a good team defender. No, he was never going to shut down a Shamorie Ponds one-on-one, but he defended well in the team concept and knew how to push his man to the help defender when he couldn't do it on his own.

We will be better defensively, but primarily because Joey's not on the floor. Sam was a big positive on the offensive end and a net neutral on the defensive end. Had he alone come back, we would be much better, and I firmly believe losing him for 1 year is a bigger deal than losing Joey for 3.

[bilsu]

The "Hausers" weren't on the team for 3 years. They were on for one. The one when the defense was much improved from previous Wojo coached teams.

I attribute the improve defense mostly to John and Morrow. The opponents were no longer able to just drive it to the basket.

[MuMark]

Sam was not a turnstile.........he made up for his lack of superior quickness with high basketball IQ to be at worst a decent defender.

Rowsey and Markus and a lack of size throughout the roster were much bigger factors in the struggles defensively in the 2 years before last.

Sam had trouble with players like Paschal and Martin(Butler) but so did lots of guys.

Joey struggled imo......but he was a frosh......won't surprise me if he improves as he gets older.....like most guys do.