Well that was a waste

[Lennys Tap]

How many teachers in California? My guess is that both sides can find anecdotal evidence of teachers who support their position. In lieu of any real statistics - #Meaningless

[Cheeks]

How about not giving out private pages to complete and total strangers on the Internet so you can feel you "won" some stupid debate? Would those teachers like that? Would they like that you are insinuating you would do that? Of course not.

If it would shut some people up who continually make false accusations...yes.  Secondly, if the pages are open to anyone and searchable, nothing is being shared inappropriately.  That's why if you don't want that information out there, you place your settings to only friends can see. 

But lastly, I am not going to do it because it wouldn't matter anyway....same clowns would argue it was only 3 or 4 or 10 and then they would attack them as somehow not teacher enough, or God knows what.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

But lastly, I am not going to do it because it wouldn't matter anyway....same clowns would argue it was only 3 or 4 or 10 and then they would attack them as somehow not teacher enough, or God knows what.

Or they would just ask the obvious question....

If I can link to many teachers pages that show the opposite, what would that mean?

I work in higher education. It is different than primary and secondary education, but I still had to study it when earning my M.Ed. Every bit of research I remember showed the out of school suspensions are detrimental to student success, no matter what measurement you wanted to use. The only benefit didn't come to the suspendee but the other students in the class.....which could be accomplished with an in school suspension.

I'm not familiar with all the ins and outs of the CA law, so I'm not going to say the law as a whole is good or bad. But finding alternative discipline to out of school suspensions is a good thing.

[Cheeks]

Or they would just ask the obvious question....

I work in higher education. It is different than primary and secondary education, but I still had to study it when earning my M.Ed. Every bit of research I remember showed the out of school suspensions are detrimental to student success, no matter what measurement you wanted to use. The only benefit didn't come to the suspendee but the other students in the class.....which could be accomplished with an in school suspension.

I'm not familiar with all the ins and outs of the CA law, so I'm not going to say the law as a whole is good or bad. But finding alternative discipline to out of school suspensions is a good thing.

Understood.

Here is one of counter arguments...as I have said, I grew up in a teaching household with my mom a teacher for over 40 years, including winning Colorado teacher of the year.  Of course as a parent and friends of teachers, I get their viewpoints as well.

The cons are the implication that it "rewards" the kid by not having them go to school.  Ok, fair point....get it.  Doesn't work for all kids.  Yup, get it.

What some other teachers will tell you is it puts pressure on the kid to reform because the family is now forced to act.  Mom or dad may have to take off work, find someone to watch the kid, etc.   Now you have a lot of people inconvenienced which should motivate the kid to knockoff the behavior.  It often removes the kid from some of the elements that are contributing to the problem in the first place (other problem kids, gangs, etc).

The reality is no one solution fits all, so by the state taking away this option, they have removed a tool and said one size fits all is the solution....which we know that is often a mistake.  That's why it is not a good idea.  For some kids, an in school suspension is better, but for others it is not.

What we are not allowed to say is why the other reasons this was passed....this is from the teachers themselves, their opinions.

Racial.  The number of kids suspended are disproportionately higher in some racial groups.
Parents.  Parents don't have the time to take off to deal with suspended kids so they would rather put the burden on the state.
Money.  Schools are paid in California for kids being in attendance.  If they are suspended, the school loses money.

[jesmu84]

Understood.

Here is one of counter arguments...as I have said, I grew up in a teaching household with my mom a teacher for over 40 years, including winning Colorado teacher of the year.  Of course as a parent and friends of teachers, I get their viewpoints as well.

The cons are the implication that it "rewards" the kid by not having them go to school.  Ok, fair point....get it.  Doesn't work for all kids.  Yup, get it.

What some other teachers will tell you is it puts pressure on the kid to reform because the family is now forced to act.  Mom or dad may have to take off work, find someone to watch the kid, etc.   Now you have a lot of people inconvenienced which should motivate the kid to knockoff the behavior.  It often removes the kid from some of the elements that are contributing to the problem in the first place (other problem kids, gangs, etc).

The reality is no one solution fits all, so by the state taking away this option, they have removed a tool and said one size fits all is the solution....which we know that is often a mistake.  That's why it is not a good idea.  For some kids, an in school suspension is better, but for others it is not.

What we are not allowed to say is why the other reasons this was passed....this is from the teachers themselves, their opinions.

Racial.  The number of kids suspended are disproportionately higher in some racial groups.
Parents.  Parents don't have the time to take off to deal with suspended kids so they would rather put the burden on the state.
Money.  Schools are paid in California for kids being in attendance.  If they are suspended, the school loses money.

This is very different than "kids are getting away with bad behavior"

[Pakuni]

Understood.

Here is one of counter arguments...as I have said, I grew up in a teaching household with my mom a teacher for over 40 years, including winning Colorado teacher of the year.  Of course as a parent and friends of teachers, I get their viewpoints as well.

The cons are the implication that it "rewards" the kid by not having them go to school.  Ok, fair point....get it.  Doesn't work for all kids.  Yup, get it.

What some other teachers will tell you is it puts pressure on the kid to reform because the family is now forced to act.  Mom or dad may have to take off work, find someone to watch the kid, etc.   Now you have a lot of people inconvenienced which should motivate the kid to knockoff the behavior.  It often removes the kid from some of the elements that are contributing to the problem in the first place (other problem kids, gangs, etc).

The reality is no one solution fits all, so by the state taking away this option, they have removed a tool and said one size fits all is the solution....which we know that is often a mistake.  That's why it is not a good idea.  For some kids, an in school suspension is better, but for others it is not.

What we are not allowed to say is why the other reasons this was passed....this is from the teachers themselves, their opinions.

Racial.  The number of kids suspended are disproportionately higher in some racial groups.
Parents.  Parents don't have the time to take off to deal with suspended kids so they would rather put the burden on the state.
Money.  Schools are paid in California for kids being in attendance.  If they are suspended, the school loses money.

This is a reasonable take. I disagree, but it's reasonable.
Let this guy out more often, and keep the "liberals want to destroy everything" guy under wraps

[Lennys Tap]

This is a reasonable take. I disagree, but it's reasonable.
Let this guy out more often, and keep the "liberals want to destroy everything" guy under wraps

His "lizard brain" took offense. No way to stop that, right? But upon reflection he came up with a solid, reasoned, reply. So, progress - a lesson for us all.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

If the parents don't have the time to take off, wouldn't an out of school suspension leave the kids unsupervised for the day and present the opportunity to make things worse instead of better?

[jesmu84]

So, anyway, ya, the NCAA blue bloods/high profile teams and coaches appear to be getting let off the hook. Again. (Infrequent major sanctions not withstanding)

[MU82]

And speaking of white privilege ...

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mom-went-prison-enrolling-her-191400017.html

While Felicity Huffman gets 14 days in jail for defrauding a university, this poor, black woman was put away for considerably longer for enrolling her 5-year-old son in a better school district than he would have been able to go to. That apparently is first-degree larceny.

[jesmu84]

And speaking of white privilege ...

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mom-went-prison-enrolling-her-191400017.html

While Felicity Huffman gets 14 days in jail for defrauding a university, this poor, black woman was put away for considerably longer for enrolling her 5-year-old son in a better school district than he would have been able to go to. That apparently is first-degree larceny.

1. I tried to get this back on track.

2. This story is much more complex involving the woman selling drugs before and after the school incident. The larceny charge, while ridiculous, is one of many she faced that resulted in her jail time.

[MU82]

1. I tried to get this back on track.

2. This story is much more complex involving the woman selling drugs before and after the school incident. The larceny charge, while ridiculous, is one of many she faced that resulted in her jail time.

You make good points. But the time still seems extremely excessive. For the amount of time she was given, one would have thought she was a danger to society.

[jesmu84]

You make good points. But the time still seems extremely excessive. For the amount of time she was given, one would have thought she was a danger to society.

As a drug dealer, is she not?

[Cheeks]

If the parents don't have the time to take off, wouldn't an out of school suspension leave the kids unsupervised for the day and present the opportunity to make things worse instead of better?

Perhaps...or it may make the parents sacrifice so much that it finally sticks in the kids head what their punk behavior is.  Again, one size fits all, which is now what the state is forcing, isn't a great idea.  For some in school suspension is fine, for others it isn't.  One of the tools has been taken away and some parents can just ignor3 it let the state be the nanny....that works tremendously well.

[Cheeks]

And speaking of white privilege ...

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mom-went-prison-enrolling-her-191400017.html

While Felicity Huffman gets 14 days in jail for defrauding a university, this poor, black woman was put away for considerably longer for enrolling her 5-year-old son in a better school district than he would have been able to go to. That apparently is first-degree larceny.

The journalist of this piece is missing some key points here that are found in other articles....so odd that a journalist would do that.

[Cheeks]

This is a reasonable take. I disagree, but it's reasonable.
Let this guy out more often, and keep the "liberals want to destroy everything" guy under wraps

Hyperbole...I don't think they want to destroy everything, they just have some really bad ideas that I have to pay for and they normally don't.  At least the other side's horrible ideas don't require me to pay for them.   

[MU82]

As a drug dealer, is she not?

She didn't receive the sentence in this article for being a drug dealer. She already paid her debt to society for that.

[Herman Cain]

Pussification of America, aina?

Back in the day the nuns used to bang kids across the Knuckles with a ruler .

Nowadays, the lady teachers are banging the kids in other ways .

Not sure which era is better.

[Cheeks]

Back in the day the nuns used to bang kids across the Knuckles with a ruler .

Nowadays, the lady teachers are banging the kids in other ways .

Not sure which era is better.

And yet the note difference for such crimes so different.  Guy does that.....bad bad news.....woman does that...not good, but  early the same.   Equal justice?..

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

And yet the syou note ding for such crimes so different.  Guy does that.....bad bad news.....woman does that...not good, but  early the same.   Equal justice?..

And attitudes like HCs are a big part of the reason why

[Cheeks]

And attitudes like HCs are a big part of the reason why

How about we just make the laws and penalty outcomes equal?  Or just be honest admit the equality is BS and doesn't exist....that would be the more honest thing to do.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

How about we just make the laws and penalty outcomes equal?  Or just be honest admit the equality is BS and doesn't exist....that would be the more honest thing to do.

Equality is overrated. Equity is where it's at

[Dr. Blackheart]

And the beat goes on.  Slick Rick cashes out...

Waiting anxiously on the Autumn Equinox NCAA announcement. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pitino-settles-louisville-ready-chapter-152921426.html

[Cheeks]

And the beat goes on.  Slick Rick cashes out...

Waiting anxiously on the Autumn Equinox NCAA announcement. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pitino-settles-louisville-ready-chapter-152921426.html

I'm curious how he cashed out?  He was paid what was due to him legally, but didn't receive any damages by way of the lawsuit.  How did he cash out....maybe I'm missing some details which is entirely possible.

[Cheeks]

Equality is overrated. Equity is where it's at

Yeah, it's called redistribution.  Take from someone else to prop up someone else.  Sounds nice, makes a great bumper sticker...until you run out of crates to take.

EQUALITY VS EQUITY