San Francisco

[djorling]

Any Scoopers from San Francisco?  Or that know of good restaurants in the vicinity of the Yotel on 1095 Main Street?  I am taking my wife to San Francisco (from Portland OR) to see Hamilton (at the Orpheum Theatre at 1192 Market Street) for our 46th wedding anniversary.  Also taking our 13 year old granddaughter.  Any recommendations for a good place to eat that won't bust our budget appreciated.  Thanks.

[Cheeks]

Don’t leave any valuables in the car, thefts are a problem with 80+per day last year, over 30,000 total.  SF Chronicle has a car break in map now it has gotten so bad.  Beautiful city, but be careful with your belongings.


https://projects.sfchronicle.com/trackers/sf-car-breakins/


77Warrior is from the area, he can probably help with recommendations.

[Jon]

Any Scoopers from San Francisco?  Or that know of good restaurants in the vicinity of the Yotel on 1095 Main Street?  I am taking my wife to San Francisco (from Portland OR) to see Hamilton (at the Orpheum Theatre at 1192 Market Street) for our 46th wedding anniversary.  Also taking our 13 year old granddaughter.  Any recommendations for a good place to eat that won't bust our budget appreciated.  Thanks.

Bottega in Yountville.

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Bottega in Yountville.

Only an hour and a half away. Great suggestion. Also, severely overrated.

Don’t leave any valuables in the car, thefts are a problem with 80+per day last year, over 30,000 total.  SF Chronicle has a car break in map now it has gotten so bad.  Beautiful city, but be careful with your belongings.


https://projects.sfchronicle.com/trackers/sf-car-breakins/


77Warrior is from the area, he can probably help with recommendations.

And on the flipside we have Debbie Downer, who will chime in with anything, everything negative about California.

Close by is Prospect ate there during the last wildfires before heading to Napa. Great place. Upper casual, great beers, no stuffy.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Don’t leave any valuables in the car, thefts are a problem with 80+per day last year, over 30,000 total.  SF Chronicle has a car break in map now it has gotten so bad.  Beautiful city, but be careful with your belongings.


https://projects.sfchronicle.com/trackers/sf-car-breakins/


77Warrior is from the area, he can probably help with recommendations.

Is there any thread you won't be an pretty boy in?

[Dr. Blackheart]

https://www.farallonrestaurant.com/

I might add you can eat in the lounge if the dining room is out of your budget...although everything in SF is costly (living wage, straw tax, bread service, sales tax).

[Cheeks]

Only an hour and a half away. Great suggestion. Also, severely overrated.

And on the flipside we have Debbie Downer, who will chime in with anything, everything negative about California.

Close by is Prospect ate there during the last wildfires before heading to Napa. Great place. Upper casual, great beers, no stuffy.

Lived in this state for 30+ years, call it a customer service message....I’d hate to have a Scooper have his or her evening ruined by the local crime merchants.  If TSMith has started this thread with this question, I would have said nothing.   

[Jon]

Only an hour and a half away. Great suggestion. Also, severely overrated.

That's right. SF has become unbearable. We fly through for long weekends in Napa.

We think Bottega is superb. Makes sense that you wouldn't.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Fairly casual but I enjoyed Hops and Hominy last time I had a free night in San Fran.

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That's right. SF has become unbearable. We fly through for long weekends in Napa.

We think Bottega is superb. Makes sense that you wouldn't.

That’s not it at all, you wanted to flex a location over San Francisco. For someone as alpha, accomplished and astute as yourself, portraying a mostly anonymous persona seems to be way too much of a priority for you.

Are you this much of an abhorrent person? I’m fairly certain you are not, why continue?

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Lived in this state for 30+ years, call it a customer service message....I’d hate to have a Scooper have his or her evening ruined by the local crime merchants.  If TSMith has started this thread with this question, I would have said nothing.   

The gentleman clearly has a nice trip and evening planned with his wife. Scoop has been excellent for recommendations, but I’m glad you just spread those ass cheeks of yours and crap all over it.

[Galway Eagle]

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54546.msg944917#msg944917

[Cheeks]

The gentleman clearly has a nice trip and evening planned with his wife. Scoop has been excellent for recommendations, but I’m glad you just spread those ass cheeks of yours and crap all over it.

Nope, I was trying to make his experience even better.  Avoid parking in certain hot zones because of what is going on.  Local knowledge.  There's a reason there is an app out there for defecation in San Franciso and car crimes, because it is THAT bad that someone took the time to create it to help and warn other citizens where it is ideal to park or stay away from.  Since he sounded like he was from out of town, I passed that on to him.

Same as if I were going to the Bronx for a Yankees game, I was told what to do and not to do in advance.  When I go to Cowboys games in Arlington, there are areas the locals tell you don't be in.  It's called looking out for someone.  Sorry that is too much.

Hey, the gay jokes...it's 2019, when is Schmitt's Gay reference going away?  It's absurd and even the SNL wouldn't dare do a skit like that today.  But hey, way to lecture others....right PTM?

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Nope, I was trying to make his experience even better.  Avoid parking in certain hot zones because of what is going on.  Local knowledge.  There's a reason there is an app out there for defecation in San Franciso and car crimes, because it is THAT bad that someone took the time to create it to help and warn other citizens where it is ideal to park or stay away from.  Since he sounded like he was from out of town, I passed that on to him.

Same as if I were going to the Bronx for a Yankees game, I was told what to do and not to do in advance.  When I go to Cowboys games in Arlington, there are areas the locals tell you don't be in.  It's called looking out for someone.  Sorry that is too much.

Hey, the gay jokes...it's 2019, when is Schmitt's Gay reference going away?  It's absurd and even the SNL wouldn't dare do a skit like that today.  But hey, way to lecture others....right PTM?

Great deflect, wonder why SNL keeps replaying it though?

Back to the topic. Wallow in your own misery, not every topic or thread needs to be dragged down to your level despondency.

[Jables1604]

Before this thread devolves into the usual back and forth, let me get my “In Before the Lock” on the record.

[rocket surgeon]

love the city, been there many times.  superbly situated, many iconic locales, venues and vantage points.  the donges bay crab and clam chowder in sourdough bread bowl has to be found.  but i'm sorry, chicos is right.  any city that has to put out a "poop map" is a big concern to say it lightly.  it's really really unfortunate, but for what one $pend$ there, you deserve to feel safe.  the cable cars, fishermans wharf, alcatraz and top notch restaurants abound are still there...somewhere.  as jonny mentioned,  the city proper has it's "downfalls".   rent a nice car or open air jeep and drive north on the golden gate bridge toward napa.  enjoy the views, sample some wines at any of the number of  winerys-the old inglenook with it's rich history along with francis ford coppola influence.  contrasted to the sterling winery with it's facilities, gondola ride to the top and many other mom n pop farms that could become famous

[Jay Bee]

Before this thread devolves into the usual back and forth, let me get my “In Before the Lock” on the record.

"Before".. ha..

PS - San Francisco is covered in human poop.

[Jon]

"Before".. ha..

PS - San Francisco is covered in human poop.

Jay Bee knows all, sees all, tells all.

MS IV is a coming. And she ain't even breathing hard, yet. You in?

[wadesworld]

Jay Bee knows all, sees all, tells all.

MS IV is a coming. And she ain't even breathing hard, yet. You in?

The irony is too rich.

[Hards Alumni]

Nope, I was trying to make his experience even better.  Avoid parking in certain hot zones because of what is going on.  Local knowledge.  There's a reason there is an app out there for defecation in San Franciso and car crimes, because it is THAT bad that someone took the time to create it to help and warn other citizens where it is ideal to park or stay away from.  Since he sounded like he was from out of town, I passed that on to him.

Same as if I were going to the Bronx for a Yankees game, I was told what to do and not to do in advance.  When I go to Cowboys games in Arlington, there are areas the locals tell you don't be in.  It's called looking out for someone.  Sorry that is too much.

Hey, the gay jokes...it's 2019, when is Schmitt's Gay reference going away?  It's absurd and even the SNL wouldn't dare do a skit like that today.  But hey, way to lecture others....right PTM?

You're as local to SF as I am to Minneapolis.

bish please

[DegenerateDish]

Even by Scoop standards, the responses here are way the heck out there. Original poster asked a pretty specific question, I’m assuming he’s been to SF before, and just simply wants dinner recommendation in the neighborhood mentioned.

I don’t know of any places, but wish the original poster has a good time with his wife and granddaughter.

[Jon]

Hey, the gay jokes...it's 2019, when is Schmitt's Gay reference going away?  It's absurd and even the SNL wouldn't dare do a skit like that today.  But hey, way to lecture others....right PTM?

Simple things for a simpleton

Funny, but where's the fauxrage over a clearly insensitive attack on the LGBQT community?

[Jon]

Gregg Allman knows Minneapolis

[Jon]

love the city, been there many times.  superbly situated, many iconic locales, venues and vantage points.  the donges bay crab and clam chowder in sourdough bread bowl has to be found.  but i'm sorry, chicos is right.  any city that has to put out a "poop map" is a big concern to say it lightly.  it's really really unfortunate, but for what one $pend$ there, you deserve to feel safe.  the cable cars, fishermans wharf, alcatraz and top notch restaurants abound are still there...somewhere.  as jonny mentioned,  the city proper has it's "downfalls".   rent a nice car or open air jeep and drive north on the golden gate bridge toward napa.  enjoy the views, sample some wines at any of the number of  winerys-the old inglenook with it's rich history along with francis ford coppola influence.  contrasted to the sterling winery with it's facilities, gondola ride to the top and many other mom n pop farms that could become famous

Doc

Used to be a great place but no more.

We pass through SFO on our way to Napa/Sonoma or Carmel.

theBaby David's mom goes to the Bay Area for work but she is in San Jose/Sand Hill Road. If I join we give the city a miss.

Feces, urine, needles, panhandlers, etc... No thank you.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Any Scoopers from San Francisco?  Or that know of good restaurants in the vicinity of the Yotel on 1095 Main Street?  I am taking my wife to San Francisco (from Portland OR) to see Hamilton (at the Orpheum Theatre at 1192 Market Street) for our 46th wedding anniversary.  Also taking our 13 year old granddaughter.  Any recommendations for a good place to eat that won't bust our budget appreciated.  Thanks.

I highly suggest talking to the people at your hotel.  That is a nice, new area so there could be some cool places that have popped up since I have last been there.  (And I usually go to a microbrewery by the stadium anyway.)

San Francisco is a great city that should be experienced by everyone.  I get that if you have been there a lot that it doesn't make sense to go there when you are in the area, but I hope you have a nice time.

[JoeSmith1721]

Any Scoopers from San Francisco?  Or that know of good restaurants in the vicinity of the Yotel on 1095 Main Street?  I am taking my wife to San Francisco (from Portland OR) to see Hamilton (at the Orpheum Theatre at 1192 Market Street) for our 46th wedding anniversary.  Also taking our 13 year old granddaughter.  Any recommendations for a good place to eat that won't bust our budget appreciated.  Thanks.

Mikkeller Bar is a few blocks away and has great beer and food. Definitely a great place to check out if you're into beer at all, the food is also very good.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Doc

Used to be a great place but no more.

We pass through SFO on our way to Napa/Sonoma or Carmel.

theBaby David's mom goes to the Bay Area for work but she is in San Jose/Sand Hill Road. If I join we give the city a miss.

Feces, urine, needles, panhandlers, etc... No thank you.

Sounds like Seattle

[Jon]

Sounds like Seattle

Not even close.

Seattle has similar issues but it's relatively contained and controlled.

We bought a high rise condo in DT Seattle near the Amazon campus and the Federal Courthouse. Sitting at my desk I can watch when a vagrant carrying all of his worldly possessions wanders on to Amazon or Federal property uniformed Amazon security or the federal marshals are all over the would be squatter within 30 seconds.

Not only do the security dudes send the homeless packing but, if they have a shopping cart from the nearby Whole Foods, the Amazon guys recover it as the stolen property it is. Almost invariably the vagrant walks away cursing loudly but I rather doubt the marshals or security guys give a sh1t.

If the homeless problem in Seattle is endemic it is pandemic in SF.   

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Not even close.

Seattle has similar issues but it's relatively contained and controlled.

We bought a high rise condo in DT Seattle near the Amazon campus and the Federal Courthouse. Sitting at my desk I can watch when a vagrant carrying all of his worldly possessions wanders on to Amazon or Federal property uniformed Amazon security or the federal marshals are all over the would be squatter within 30 seconds.

Not only do the security dudes send the homeless packing but, if they have a shopping cart from the nearby Whole Foods, the Amazon guys recover it as the stolen property it is. Almost invariably the vagrant walks away cursing loudly but I rather doubt the marshals or security guys give a sh1t.

If the homeless problem in Seattle is endemic it is pandemic in SF.   

[Billy Hoyle]

I highly suggest talking to the people at your hotel.  That is a nice, new area so there could be some cool places that have popped up since I have last been there.  (And I usually go to a microbrewery by the stadium anyway.)

San Francisco is a great city that should be experienced by everyone.  I get that if you have been there a lot that it doesn't make sense to go there when you are in the area, but I hope you have a nice time.

I have a conference in the Bay Area every year and my assistant and I take the day prior to hit up brewpubs and Mexican in the Mission District.

Non-Breweries with great selections:
Hopwater Distribution just off Union Square. All CA beers.
City Beer Store. Locals told us to go there. We stocked up on Pliny the Elder here. Right around the corner from Cellarmaker

Breweries (we usually walk to all of them and have never seen any human waste on the sidewalks despite what some "news" networks report):

Cellarmaker (my favorite). They now have a Detroit Style pizza and beer joint too.
Pacific Standard - one of the coolest brewery spaces I've ever been to.
Black Hammer
Local Brewery (home of the best Hazy I've ever had).  Next door to an amazing wine bar too
Standard Deviant - was ok, end of our last night so we were pretty hammered
Thirsty Bear - the first certified fully organic brewery in the US.  It is pricy for a pint though
21st Amendment - Have skipped on recent trips since they have a wider distribution

[Dr. Blackheart]

I have a conference in the Bay Area every year and my assistant and I take the day prior to hit up brewpubs and Mexican in the Mission District.

Non-Breweries with great selections:
Hopwater Distribution just off Union Square. All CA beers.
City Beer Store. Locals told us to go there. We stocked up on Pliny the Elder here. Right around the corner from Cellarmaker

Breweries (we usually walk to all of them and have never seen any human waste on the sidewalks despite what some "news" networks report):

Cellarmaker (my favorite). They now have a Detroit Style pizza and beer joint too.
Pacific Standard - one of the coolest brewery spaces I've ever been to.
Black Hammer
Local Brewery (home of the best Hazy I've ever had).  Next door to an amazing wine bar too
Standard Deviant - was ok, end of our last night so we were pretty hammered
Thirsty Bear - the first certified fully organic brewery in the US.  It is pricy for a pint though
21st Amendment - Have skipped on recent trips since they have a wider distribution

Great list. Did you mean Southern Pacific? Pacific Standard is in downtown Berkeley (Half Moon Bay). You should try the East Bay too.

[Billy Hoyle]

Great list. Did you mean Southern Pacific? Pacific Standard is in downtown Berkeley (Half Moon Bay). You should try the East Bay too.

Yep, Southern Pacific. Such an awesome space but man, that was a sketchy walk at around 9pm, on my own the first time I went.

I definitely want to get over to the East Bay for brews. I had some beer from Drake's and Fieldwork at a festival and they were great. Maybe the next trip...

[dgies9156]

I travel to San Francisco fairly regularly with work and my wife and I honeymooned there back, well, quite some time ago. The city has its problems, no doubt. And, many are self-inflicted by a government that tries to do too much with too little and sometimes can't seem to get out of its own way.

The reality is that the problems outlined in this thread ebb and flo. Back in the 1980s, it was the AIDs crisis as well as certain public health problems. San Francisco started losing tourist dollars. AIDS got under control, thank God for the public health research and development; some of the vagrancy problems receded because of government action; and, the tourists came back.

One of the big problems the city now has is gentrification. While that brings in higher income folks, the question in San Francisco, as it has been in Chicago and other places, is what to do with the folks who are displaced. The area around the Giants ballpark used to be a place for low and moderate-income folks as well as street people. That's clearly not the case now. People who are accustom to living in San Francisco don't like the East Bay (which too, is gentifing).

All this said, I'd go back in a heartbeat. I love Union Street, Pacific Heights and some of the tucked away places in town.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Yep, Southern Pacific. Such an awesome space but man, that was a sketchy walk at around 9pm, on my own the first time I went.

I definitely want to get over to the East Bay for brews. I had some beer from Drake's and Fieldwork at a festival and they were great. Maybe the next trip...

Fieldwork is excellent...and Gilman is right there. You can then do a nice beer trail down 4th and hit Trummer (meh, limited tours), the Sierra Tornado Room (nice set up), and Rare Barrel (sours). A little one, Novel, is also not too far from Rare Barrel.

Oakland also has its share both in downtown (Drake’s, Woods) but also in Jack London. West Oakland and Temescal good too but you need to know the area.

[Hards Alumni]

I have a conference in the Bay Area every year and my assistant and I take the day prior to hit up brewpubs and Mexican in the Mission District.

Non-Breweries with great selections:
Hopwater Distribution just off Union Square. All CA beers.
City Beer Store. Locals told us to go there. We stocked up on Pliny the Elder here. Right around the corner from Cellarmaker

Breweries (we usually walk to all of them and have never seen any human waste on the sidewalks despite what some "news" networks report):

Cellarmaker (my favorite). They now have a Detroit Style pizza and beer joint too.
Pacific Standard - one of the coolest brewery spaces I've ever been to.
Black Hammer
Local Brewery (home of the best Hazy I've ever had).  Next door to an amazing wine bar too
Standard Deviant - was ok, end of our last night so we were pretty hammered
Thirsty Bear - the first certified fully organic brewery in the US.  It is pricy for a pint though
21st Amendment - Have skipped on recent trips since they have a wider distribution

To add to this list, Speakeasy

[Jon]

[swoopem]

Got to Marin and go to Terrapin Crossroads