Most Disappointing MU players since 2000.

[MU82]

Some of the players named and singled out are asinine. It's being personalized to disappointments about decisions players made.

Vander Blue was arguably our best and certainly most clutch player on team that went to Elite 8.  Without him, no way are we conference champs that year. 

McKay didn't play a single minute for us.  Joey was a major reason for team being top 2 all season in conference.

Judge performance for crying out loud, not a players decision off the court.

For me-
Chartouny- thought we were getting established player who would step in, start at PG and give us all kinds of intangibles that winning teams require.

Terry Sanders- role player at best, but coming out of high school, that was not how he was being projected.

Jay Zulauf-  transferred in with Ron Curry, where it seemed he amd Ron would be major pieces in O'Neill's rebuild. Jay couldn't play a lick

Froling and Berkowitz, I understand why they've been named, but international players are mostly going to be flyers. Otherwise they play pro overseas until their NBA eligible.  Neither was any good certainly.

Agree with almost all of this post, Hutch.

Given expectations, biggest disappointments for me were Jamil, Chartouney and a maybe couple of Buzz's top-100 recruits who never panned out. So far, I'd call Cain at least a mild disappointment; I was really expecting him to take his game up a notch as a sophomore after he ended his freshman season quite strongly.

And Froling. I hear what you're saying about international players, but even Bilas -- whose opinions I usually respect -- was talking up Froling. Even if he was just parroting his buddy Wojo, that means Bilas AND Wojo were hyping a player who ended up sucking bigly.

As for Lloyd Moore ... the thread is asking for post-2000 players. But sure, if you look up "bust" in the dictionary, Lloyd's huge melon would be pictured there.

[Galway Eagle]

After beating #1 Villanova, the team swooned during the next couple of games.    There was a week off before the next game and Wojo announced that every position was up for grabs and would be decided by how hard a player worked the next week in practice.   JjJ reportedly showed up late for practice, which led to a DNP-CD in the following game.   

And that was his senior year. He was already a pretty big disappointment prior for being the #32 recruit.

In fact I'm just going to say the whole 2013 class JJJ, Duane, Deonte, Fischer, Dawson.

[HutchwasClutch]

As for Lloyd Moore ... the thread is asking for post-2000 players.

Oops, thanks for pointing that out, scratch out Zulauf. 

My final  list is Chartouney, T Sanders, Jamail Jones, amd Cheatham

[willie warrior]

After beating #1 Villanova, the team swooned during the next couple of games.    There was a week off before thje next game and Wojo announced that every position was up for grabs and would be decided by how hard a player worked the next week in practice.   JjJ reportedly showed up late for practice, which led to a DNP-CD in the following game.   

Wojo has become an expert at swoons.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

No Erik Williams mention yet? Top 100 recruit who ended up being a meh player at Sam Houston State

[Heisenberg]

Yeup, Chocolate Moose!

Lloyd Moore Food

[Galway Eagle]

No Erik Williams mention yet? Top 100 recruit who ended up being a meh player at Sam Houston State

Jamal Jones was ranked higher to my recollection but both are probably equal in that regard.

[Nukem2]

No Erik Williams mention yet? Top 100 recruit who ended up being a meh player at Sam Houston State

2 games does not even qualify for a "meh".   

[Copacabana]

As for Lloyd Moore ... the thread is asking for post-2000 players. But sure, if you look up "bust" in the dictionary, Lloyd's huge melon would be pictured there.

Sorry, got riled up! 

[tower912]

The thing I remember about Erik Williams is his high school coach saying he couldn't play man to man defense but would be able to learn it.

[MUHoopsFan2]

Agree with almost all of this post, Hutch.

Given expectations, biggest disappointments for me were Jamil, Chartouney and a maybe couple of Buzz's top-100 recruits who never panned out. So far, I'd call Cain at least a mild disappointment; I was really expecting him to take his game up a notch as a sophomore after he ended his freshman season quite strongly.

And Froling. I hear what you're saying about international players, but even Bilas -- whose opinions I usually respect -- was talking up Froling. Even if he was just parroting his buddy Wojo, that means Bilas AND Wojo were hyping a player who ended up sucking bigly.

As for Lloyd Moore ... the thread is asking for post-2000 players. But sure, if you look up "bust" in the dictionary, Lloyd's huge melon would be pictured there.

No you don't just judge performance to be disappointed. It can be off the court too. A guy who did not fulfill any of the expectations on or off the court. If you meant just as a player, then specify that. 

What are you typing about here? Why are you telling people how to answer? In fact, for me Dameon Mason is up there for me and he lasted for only two weeks in college....he was still a disappointment that he did not continue as an MU player.

Jamail Jones
Dameon Mason
Traci Carter
Ousmane Barro
Froling
Todd Townsend
Todd Mayo* Probably heads my list of being the guy who disappointed me most on not meeting my expectations for him or the teams.

These are just some that come to mind. In the case of Ousmane Barro I think they should have played him more and got more of the raw deal of anyone while he was here even if all he could do was be long. He was a great guy so I was more disappointed in how he was handled.

On the flip side the player I am most proud of guy on MU since 2000 to me had to be Chris Otule. Hands down...in case anyone cares.   

[rocket surgeon]

  can't imagine why otule is on this list.  don't remember him coming in as a top 50 or anything.  chris was a decent role player who adapted well to his shortcomings

  chartouney , frohling and mayo


  nothing personal here-they were built up for us to have higher expectations than were not even close to being met.

   harry-i remember the excuse making for harry-oh, he is just nervous or is getting used to the system or the life outside of the down under or...he's spending too much time down unda
  chartouney-we kept getting highlight films of him playing against little sisters of the poor and had us all geeked up.  then he comes to play with the big dogs and...
   mayo-showed flashes of meeting expectations when he showed some discipline, but that seemed to be difficult for him to abide by

[4everwarriors]

Crean sucks

[Shooter Flatch]

The Hausers!!!

[Billy Hoyle]

No you don't just judge performance to be disappointed. It can be off the court too. A guy who did not fulfill any of the expectations on or off the court. If you meant just as a player, then specify that. 

What are you typing about here? Why are you telling people how to answer? In fact, for me Dameon Mason is up there for me and he lasted for only two weeks in college....he was still a disappointment that he did not continue as an MU player.

Mason, who is #1 on my list, played for us for two years, not weeks (remember the game winner against L-ville on senior day?). I knew many who had him rated above Chicago HS rival, Shannon Brown, who went on to Michigan State and eventually the Lakers. Mason believed he was the next Dwyane Wade and just had to show up and play that way. His teammates, justifiably, hated his attitude.

Mayo, for me, wasn't a disappointment, Buzz was taking him and allowing him to get away with everything. He was was who he was and never should have been a Golden Eagle.

[Billy Hoyle]

He had one stellar night in Alaska. I've always felt that was on Crean it didn't work out for Amoroso at MU.  He could play.

No, it was on Amo. He had a massive entitlement complex. The staff said the worst thing that happened was that 30 and 13 in Alaska as his ego grew out of control. The last we saw him was when Sam Young posterized him at the BC.

DJ was a bit of a disappointment to me. He peaked as a freshman and never improved his FT stroke. 46% as a senior is brutal., even worse for a PG.

I don't get the Derek Wilson hate. He was never anything more than a role player coming out of HS. A backup PG was all he was meant to be and that's how he performed.

[MU82]

No you don't just judge performance to be disappointed. It can be off the court too. A guy who did not fulfill any of the expectations on or off the court. If you meant just as a player, then specify that. 

What are you typing about here? Why are you telling people how to answer? In fact, for me Dameon Mason is up there for me and he lasted for only two weeks in college....he was still a disappointment that he did not continue as an MU player.

Jamail Jones
Dameon Mason
Traci Carter
Ousmane Barro
Froling
Todd Townsend
Todd Mayo* Probably heads my list of being the guy who disappointed me most on not meeting my expectations for him or the teams.

These are just some that come to mind. In the case of Ousmane Barro I think they should have played him more and got more of the raw deal of anyone while he was here even if all he could do was be long. He was a great guy so I was more disappointed in how he was handled.

On the flip side the player I am most proud of guy on MU since 2000 to me had to be Chris Otule. Hands down...in case anyone cares.   

I think you meant to address this to Hutch, but you certainly are allowed your opinion.

[tower912]

Letter writers

[Nukem2]

No, it was on Amo. He had a massive entitlement complex. The staff said the worst thing that happened was that 30 and 13 in Alaska as his ego grew out of control. The last we saw him was when Sam Young posterized him at the BC.

DJ was a bit of a disappointment to me. He peaked as a freshman and never improved his FT stroke. 46% as a senior is brutal., even worse for a PG.

I don't get the Derek Wilson hate. He was never anything more than a role player coming out of HS. A backup PG was all he was meant to be and that's how he performed.

Remember that idiotic foul Amo had on a FT rebound situation late game against Louisville.

[Billy Hoyle]

Remember that idiotic foul Amo had on a FT rebound situation late game against Louisville.

I do now, thanks! I attributed that to roid rage.

[reinko]

Mbao

[CTWarrior]

These are just some that come to mind. In the case of Ousmane Barro I think they should have played him more and got more of the raw deal of anyone while he was here even if all he could do was be long. He was a great guy so I was more disappointed in how he was handled. 

Excellent point.  Agree 100%.

[The Sultan]

Mbao

I just never expected anything from the guy. So I really couldn't be disappointed.

To me this is Harry Froling in a runaway. 

[MU82]

To me this is Harry Froling in a runaway.

When I thought of Froling first, I wondered if I was guilty of recency bias. But facts are facts: He was hyped considerably, including by Bilas, and then he (Froling, not Bilas) delivered a big, fat turd.

Not many bigger disappointments since 2000 IMHO.

[Anti-Dentite]

Mine are all players that transferred, just really disappointed it didn't work out.
ODB
Dameon Mason
Mbkwe
Maymon
Hauser's