DePaul hit with 3 years probation

[Cheeks]

Just announced


https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1153727853651005443?s=21

[drewm88]

They got ahead of this by pre-vacating wins for years.

[Uncle Rico]

What a garbage program

[Billy Hoyle]

Just announced


https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1153727853651005443?s=21

at least they won't have to vacate any NCAA tourney appearances.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

What a garbage program

Right? If you’re gonna cheat at least make it to the NCAA tourney once a decade.

[muguru]

DePaul actually might be the one school that SHOULD cheat. I mean what are they going to do to them if they get caught?? Slap em with a postseason ban?? 

That being said, a 3 game suspension and probation is a NOTHING punishment. The NCAA made it point to come out and say "Coaches better be on notice we are coming after them" or something to that effect, like they were going to really flex their muscles after the FBI investigation and lower the boom..and yet..Leitao gets a 3 game suspension and probation. Way to be bad asses NCAA!!

[wadesworld]

So the "big time program" the NCAA was going to come down with the "hammer" on were NC State and DePaul, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

Right? If you’re gonna cheat at least make it to the NCAA tourney once a decade.

If Ray Meyer was still alive, he’d die again

[Dr. Blackheart]

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/depaul-men-s-basketball-associate-head-coach-violated-ncaa-ethical-conduct-rules

That $5000 fine might bankrupt the basketball program.

[Herman Cain]

Not much pain inflicted.

The silver lining in the cloud for DePaul, is this  probation may be enough of an embarrassment for the AD to get booted.

[GoldenWarrior11]

One of the three games Leitao will have to miss is in the Gavitt Games at Iowa.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Not much pain inflicted.

The silver lining in the cloud for DePaul, is this  probation may be enough of an embarrassment for the AD to get booted.

Not a chance.  She's in place until she chooses to retire or step down.

[Dawson Rental]

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/depaul-men-s-basketball-associate-head-coach-violated-ncaa-ethical-conduct-rules

That $5000 fine might bankrupt the basketball program.

Actually, the fine is "A $5,000 fine, plus 1% of the men’s basketball program budget."  So this could total over $6,000, easy.

[Herman Cain]

I wonder if this had anything to do with the probation....

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-depaul-dave-leitao-jean-lenti-ponsetto-protection-20181017-story.html

[mileskishnish72]

What's the beef? Just not creating a good attitude?

[manny31]

If I’m a DePaul grad I would be looking for my torch and pitchfork right about now.
💩💩🔥🔥

[TheGym]

If I’m a DePaul grad I would be looking for my torch and pitchfork right about now.
💩💩🔥🔥

If you were a DePaul grad, you did not care about the basketball program when you were there, why would you care now?

[#UnleashSean]

They got ahead of this by pre-vacating wins for years.

What wins?

[rocket surgeon]

so depaul's cheating got them...what?  if you're gonna cheat, cheezus man, at least do it to get something man.  they can't even cheat good...yezus maria sentisima ni mameo, eyn'a?

[GooooMarquette]

#sleepinggiant

I mean seriously, can anyone really believe this program really is a sleeping giant? They are now just a step beyond comatose.

[#UnleashSean]

#sleepinggiant

I mean seriously, can anyone really believe this program really is a sleeping giant? They are now just a step beyond comatose.

They should just do to their basketball team what UConn did to their football

[BallBoy]

To put this in perspective UNC committed academic fraud and made up fake classes over multiple years and got nothing. DePaul has a prospect live with someone for two weeks to ensure that he does the work needed to become eligible and the coach gets three games.

Moral of the story if you fake an education it is better than actually helping someone do it themselves.

[Cheeks]

To put this in perspective UNC committed academic fraud and made up fake classes over multiple years and got nothing. DePaul has a prospect live with someone for two weeks to ensure that he does the work needed to become eligible and the coach gets three games.

Moral of the story if you fake an education it is better than actually helping someone do it themselves.

DePaul broke NCAA rules, UNC’s issues were not a violation of NCAA rules nor in the NCAA ‘s jurisdiction.

[Herman Cain]

DePaul broke NCAA rules, UNC’s issues were not a violation of NCAA rules nor in the NCAA ‘s jurisdiction.

In addition in their response, UNC cited the fact that Auburn and Michigan had cases of similar misconduct and the NCAA did not act.  Bottom line they were very lazy in the administration of their easy classes. Most schools at least try to gussy things up a bit and make it sound like the kids are actually taking real classes.

[dgies9156]

If the NCAA slapped DePaul with three years probation, all I can say is Villanova must have done something REALLY, REALLY Bad.

Seriously folks, if the condition of DePaul's men's basketball program wasn't Exhibit "A" in the case of "Get Rid of Jean Lenti-Ponsetto NOW", then the three year's probation should be the smoking gun.

Good God, if you're going to cheat, at least do something that will make you competitive for an NCAA berth.

Hey Hey, Ho Ho, Jean Ponsetto's gotta go!!!!!!

[MU82]

To put this in perspective UNC committed academic fraud and made up fake classes over multiple years and got nothing. DePaul has a prospect live with someone for two weeks to ensure that he does the work needed to become eligible and the coach gets three games.

Moral of the story if you fake an education it is better than actually helping someone do it themselves.

Yep.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Not much pain inflicted.

The silver lining in the cloud for DePaul, is this  probation may be enough of an embarrassment for the AD to get booted.

Or maybe DePaul will make her the scapegoat after the dust settles on this:
Brian Bowen Sr. testified that DePaul assistant Shane Heirman paid him $2,000 a month so that his son, Brian Bowen Jr., would attend La Lumiere High School in La Porte, Indiana, where Heirman was the head coach at the time.The five-star recruit had previously played in Saginaw, Michigan.
Brian Bowen Sr. also testified he was paid $5,000 to $8,000 per month to have his son play for Chicago's MeanStreets program, which was led by DePaul assistant Tim Anderson at the time. Bowen Sr. did not name Anderson by name. But he answered "yes" to questions from Dawkins' defense attorney, Steve Haney, about whether he accepted $1,500 from Anderson, another $1,400 to live in a condo by the lake while his son played at La Lumiere and $5,000 from former NFL player Tai Streets, who was affiliated with Meanstreets.
The school has said it has not been contacted by the NCAA regarding the FBI investigation.

[GoldenWarrior11]

For anyone that knows DePaul, it cannot be stressed enough that JLP is not going anywhere.  She is incredibly well connected through the school and alumni, and always falls back on the success of Olympic sports (especially women's sports) and the graduation rates of the student-athletes.  Additionally, she has many related contacts within the AD that firmly entrench her position until she chooses to step aside or gets reassigned to another high-ranking.  It is what it is.

The level of apathy for DePaul basketball in Chicago is remarkably high.  Everyone appears to just have accepted that DePaul will never come close to what it once was, which is just a shame.

[Skatastrophy]

I wonder if this had anything to do with the probation....

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-depaul-dave-leitao-jean-lenti-ponsetto-protection-20181017-story.html

From the article: Carter allegedly asked repeatedly for meetings with Leitao via texts to assistant coach Tim Anderson in September and said he “would knock on (Leitao’s) door at home,” according to the petitions requesting the no-contact orders.

Sounds like Buzz Williams.

[Billy Hoyle]

DePaul broke NCAA rules, UNC’s issues were not a violation of NCAA rules nor in the NCAA ‘s jurisdiction.

stop trying to inject facts into an emotional argument.  The fact is UNC's basically admitted their degrees are a joke in that all students could take these scam classes. It's their academic accreditation authority who should be sanctioning them. If they hadn't been able to show that such a large number of non-athletes were able to take the classes then it would have been a NCAA issue.

[BallBoy]

DePaul broke NCAA rules, UNC’s issues were not a violation of NCAA rules nor in the NCAA ‘s jurisdiction.

It is not a violation of NCAA rules but it is a violation of the core argument for not paying players. Is it worst to get an impermissible benefit or a meaningless education? 

[Herman Cain]

https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1153752246955495424

[dgies9156]

For anyone that knows DePaul, it cannot be stressed enough that JLP is not going anywhere.  She is incredibly well connected through the school and alumni, and always falls back on the success of Olympic sports (especially women's sports) and the graduation rates of the student-athletes.  Additionally, she has many related contacts within the AD that firmly entrench her position until she chooses to step aside or gets reassigned to another high-ranking.  It is what it is.

The level of apathy for DePaul basketball in Chicago is remarkably high.  Everyone appears to just have accepted that DePaul will never come close to what it once was, which is just a shame.

Which is just amazing. The amount of money that JLP leaves on the table that could be used for scholarships, university advancement and recruiting because the men's basketball program is the garbage pail of the Big east is amazing. And, now, she gets caught overseeing an NCAA scandal.

I wish if I sucked at my job, I could count on long-term support for my suckedness the way JLP can.

It's sad because the 1980s Marquette/DePaul games were something special -- even when we did not win.

[RJax55]

Which is just amazing. The amount of money that JLP leaves on the table that could be used for scholarships, university advancement and recruiting because the men's basketball program is the garbage pail of the Big east is amazing. And, now, she gets caught overseeing an NCAA scandal.

I wish if I sucked at my job, I could count on long-term support for my suckedness the way JLP can.

It's sad because the 1980s Marquette/DePaul games were something special -- even when we did not win.

JLP's record speaks for itself.

However, the downfall of DePaul hoops and the program's missed opportunities started well prior to her tenure. Even when times were good, there was no forward thinking when it came to facilities, budget, culture, etc. The end of the Joey Meyer era was a complete debacle. The Pat Kennedy hire was abysmal.

[Cheeks]

It is not a violation of NCAA rules but it is a violation of the core argument for not paying players. Is it worst to get an impermissible benefit or a meaningless education?

Why, not just ballplayers we’re taking the classes.  Should the regular students get paid, too?

Also, let’s not suggest every class they took was a scam class, it wasn’t, though one dept in particular had a majority of these classes.

[rocky_warrior]

Why, not just ballplayers we’re taking the classes.  Should the regular students get paid, too?

Well, regular students (even on scholarship) are allowed to make money from licensing their likeness, accepting gifts from alumni, and many other things that ballplayers are not allowed. So, I guess, yes.

[BallBoy]

Why, not just ballplayers we’re taking the classes.  Should the regular students get paid, too?

Also, let’s not suggest every class they took was a scam class, it wasn’t, though one dept in particular had a majority of these classes.

Regular students taking the class is just a cover for what the classes were intended to be which is keep the team eligible. It is also dishonest to offer a class to regular students when intention isn’t to educate but be a fake class. Many of our higher educational institutions lost their way by becoming diploma mills and focusing less on education versus how to maximize profit.

My point is that in the case of DePaul they gave a recruit a benefit of living with someone for two weeks to make sure that he did the work to get in. Shame on them and they got caught. North Carolina setup a shame in order to allow the athletes not do the work but get the reward. The intent was the same but in the former the athlete still had to do it and in the latter proves that the NCAA is not about the student.

[Cheeks]

Well, regular students (even on scholarship) are allowed to make money from licensing their likeness, accepting gifts from alumni, and many other things that ballplayers are not allowed. So, I guess, yes.

Regular students aren’t flown to 15 away trips a year, get on tv 30 times a year to showcase their talents as a job interview each time, have access to alumni that no other students have, etc, etc, etc.....so I guess it all equals out.

[MU82]

Regular students taking the class is just a cover for what the classes were intended to be which is keep the team eligible. It is also dishonest to offer a class to regular students when intention isn’t to educate but be a fake class. Many of our higher educational institutions lost their way by becoming diploma mills and focusing less on education versus how to maximize profit.

My point is that in the case of DePaul they gave a recruit a benefit of living with someone for two weeks to make sure that he did the work to get in. Shame on them and they got caught. North Carolina setup a shame in order to allow the athletes not do the work but get the reward. The intent was the same but in the former the athlete still had to do it and in the latter proves that the NCAA is not about the student.

This.

Most everybody could see through the "loophole" that UNC set up: Let's make the sham classes for "everybody." That way, when we funnel athlete after athlete after athlete into the classes, we can claim, "Hey, they weren't just for jocks."

The NCAA has at its disposal "lack of university control." If ever there was an example of this, it was the UNC case. They instead chose to hide behind a loophole and let UNC get away with far more egregious cheating -- overt academic fraud -- than any of the others being investigated and/or punished.

[Cheeks]

Regular students taking the class is just a cover for what the classes were intended to be which is keep the team eligible. It is also dishonest to offer a class to regular students when intention isn’t to educate but be a fake class. Many of our higher educational institutions lost their way by becoming diploma mills and focusing less on education versus how to maximize profit.

My point is that in the case of DePaul they gave a recruit a benefit of living with someone for two weeks to make sure that he did the work to get in. Shame on them and they got caught. North Carolina setup a shame in order to allow the athletes not do the work but get the reward. The intent was the same but in the former the athlete still had to do it and in the latter proves that the NCAA is not about the student.

I’m not condoning what they did or validating it, but I’m continually amused by the false analogy of what the NCAA did or didn’t do in this case.  Pure and simple, it was out of their purview....a common refrain of late.

As for the intentions of the classes, I think you are exaggerating the reality.  The entire team wasn’t taking the classes, some of the classes were also around prior to athletes enrolling in them.  It begs a question, should athletes be allowed to major in Phys Ed?  A very easy major, with some “sham” classes.  I could tick off a number of others.  If a school wants to do that, that is on the school and their academic reputation and accreditation.

[Cheeks]

A better way of saying it, UNC didn’t create sham classes in the dept of African and Afro American Studies to benefit student athletes.  The dept already existed along with many of the sham classes.  Eventually that grew to 200 classes in that department.  The athletic teams, as is the case at many schools, looked for easy majors or easy courses for some of their student athletes to increase their eligibility chances and that vehicle was an easy one for them to utilize.  One was not created for the means, but the means were used for the result they desired.  There is a reason why there was a physics class at MU called basketball physics, even though it had a majority of “regular” students.  Communications had that reputation.  Sport Management at Michigan.  Phys Ed at many schools.  Not saying any of the latter examples are sham classes, but coaches want their players eligible to play so some students and student athletes gravitate to certain courses.  For the same reason some students with a tough load or in need of a GPA boost also look for a course that is an “easy B or A”. 

[Herman Cain]

A better way of saying it, UNC didn’t create sham classes in the dept of African and Afro American Studies to benefit student athletes.  The dept already existed along with many of the sham classes.  Eventually that grew to 200 classes in that department.  The athletic teams, as is the case at many schools, looked for easy majors or easy courses for some of their student athletes to increase their eligibility chances and that vehicle was an easy one for them to utilize.  One was not created for the means, but the means were used for the result they desired.  There is a reason why there was a physics class at MU called basketball physics, even though it had a majority of “regular” students.  Communications had that reputation.  Sport Management at Michigan.  Phys Ed at many schools.  Not saying any of the latter examples are sham classes, but coaches want their players eligible to play so some students and student athletes gravitate to certain courses.  For the same reason some students with a tough load or in need of a GPA boost also look for a course that is an “easy B or A”.

The mistake UNC made was they did not properly oversee the administration of the easy classes. Most Universities,including MU, do a great job of this.  UNC essentially let the African American department, and a couple of people in the department who were big sports fan, administer a big chunk of their easy class portfolio, and the school turned a blind eye. So when a disgruntled former student athlete complained the whole system was exposed. If one reads the case files, it shows that the biggest out right abuser of the system by the way was the coach of the UNC Womans soccer team. It is not a coincidence that  their ladies have won 22 national titles in that sport.

Having 3 kids in division one sports I can confidently say that all schools have these set ups.  Most  administer with much more thoughtfulness than UNC did.

[wadesworld]

The mistake UNC made was they did not properly oversee the administration of the easy classes. Most Universities,including MU, do a great job of this.  UNC essentially let the African American department, and a couple of people in the department who were big sports fan, administer a big chunk of their easy class portfolio, and the school turned a blind eye. So when a disgruntled former student athlete complained the whole system was exposed. If one reads the case files, it shows that the biggest out right abuser of the system by the way was the coach of the UNC Womans soccer team. It is not a coincidence that  their ladies have won 22 national titles in that sport.

Having 3 kids in division one sports I can confidently say that all schools have these set ups.  Most  administer with much more thoughtfulness than UNC did.

The UNC women's soccer team won 22 national titles because they were taking fake classes?

[Herman Cain]

The UNC women's soccer team won 22 national titles because they were taking fake classes?

The coach was all about keeping players eligible.

[wadesworld]

The coach was all about keeping players eligible.

It's not hard to keep D1 college athletes eligible.  Especially a women's soccer team.

[Herman Cain]

It's not hard to keep D1 college athletes eligible.  Especially a women's soccer team.

Yes find the easiest courses possible.

[Benny B]

Well, regular students (even on scholarship) are allowed to make money from licensing their likeness, accepting gifts from alumni, and many other things that ballplayers are not allowed. So, I guess, yes.

Actually, athletes can license their likeness so long as they can demonstrate that any value of their likeness cannot reasonably be attributed to their participation in athletics.  Just like regular students.

[Galway Eagle]

Actually, athletes can license their likeness so long as they can demonstrate that any value of their likeness cannot reasonably be attributed to their participation in athletics.  Just like regular students.

Except the NCAA is ridiculous about this. Like that one football player who had a YouTube channel and the NCAA said he was ineligible due to it

[GooooMarquette]

Actually, athletes can license their likeness so long as they can demonstrate that any value of their likeness cannot reasonably be attributed to their participation in athletics.  Just like regular students.

So a DePaul player could license his likeness, but a Marquette player couldn't?

[Dawson Rental]

So a DePaul player could license his likeness, but a Marquette player couldn't?

Won the internet for today.

The truly sad thing is that all of this was for Levi Cook.

[muguru]

So this seems like a separate, unrelated incident from the FBI trial...?? So, theoretically, there could still be more to come for DePaul.

[Dawson Rental]

So this seems like a separate, unrelated incident from the FBI trial...?? So, theoretically, there could still be more to come for DePaul.

Yes, separate from FBI trial.  DePaul self reported in 2017.  The wheels of justice turn slow.  Hopefully, the FBI stuff gives us a recruiting advantage over Arizona and Kansas for the 2022 recruiting class!

[Cheeks]

Except the NCAA is ridiculous about this. Like that one football player who had a YouTube channel and the NCAA said he was ineligible due to it

The NCAA, made up of member institutions.  The power is with the schools if they wish to change rules, fund differently, put resources in different areas.  The NCAA carries out rules and regs that the members / governance bodies within the association deem necessary to do.

[Silkk the Shaka]

LOL Chicos is a textbook bootlicker. Every time like clockwork, hilarious

[Cheeks]

LOL Chicos is a textbook bootlicker. Every time like clockwork, hilarious

You continue to blame the NCAA instead of the actual membership that dictates and defines the rules and funding that goes with it....fine by me.  If acting hysterical is how you roll, don’t let any of us slow it.

[Dr. Blackheart]

You continue to blame the NCAA instead of the actual membership that dictates and defines the rules and funding that goes with it....fine by me.  If acting hysterical is how you roll, don’t let any of us slow it.

Don't worry.  The US Justice Department figured out how to go after the NCAA and its members. The FBI probe was as embarrassing as it was to Pakistan that the US found Bin Laden hiding two blocks from their Officer training facility.

What's the excuse that Miller, Wade, Self, Pearl et al are still gainfully employed?  I know, some big actions are coming. Tick tock.

[Cheeks]

Don't worry.  The US Justice Department figured out how to go after the NCAA and its members. The FBI probe was as embarrassing as it was to Pakistan that the US found Bin Laden hiding two blocks from their Officer training facility.

What's the excuse that Miller, Wade, Self, Pearl et al are still gainfully employed?  I know, some big actions are coming. Tick tock.

The FBI has been very embarrassing the last few years...why is that surprising?

[Newsdreams]

The FBI has been very embarrassing the last few years...why is that surprising?

You have it way backwards

[Dawson Rental]

You continue to blame the NCAA instead of the actual membership that dictates and defines the rules and funding that goes with it....fine by me.  If acting hysterical is how you roll, don’t let any of us slow it.

Based on what you say how is it any different.  Since the "actual membership" formed, funds and dictates the rules for the NCAA how are the two distinguishable?

[Cheeks]

You have it way backwards

Nope

[Cheeks]

Based on what you say how is it any different.  Since the "actual membership" formed, funds and dictates the rules for the NCAA how are the two distinguishable?

Blame the rule makers, the funders, not the enforcers. 

[Newsdreams]

Nope

Yep

[Cheeks]

Yep

Considering bungling of high profile cases, the firings, the forced retirements.....an embarrassment.

[Newsdreams]

Considering bungling of high profile cases, the firings, the forced retirements.....an embarrassment.

Lol ok. You sound like Fox & Friends all the time.

[dgies9156]

The mistake UNC made was they did not properly oversee the administration of the easy classes. Most Universities, including MU, do a great job of this.

Brother Herm, did Horton hear a Who???????

Horton Roe is People's Exhibit Number 1 refuting your position. Those classes were a joke. Scratchy record player, bad acoustics etc. Horton was Mr. "A-u-t-o-m-a-t-i-c" as in Automatic "A" decades before Davante Gardner showed up on campus. Urban legend was that one student had a cover page, table of contents and two pages of script followed by 26 blank pages and got an "A".

I never had the 8:00 a.m., pleasure of Horton. But the challenge I used to raise to my brothers and sister was (to the tune of a Capital One what's in your wallet? phrase) "How many Hortons are in your GPA?"

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Brother Herm, did Horton hear a Who???????

Horton Roe is People's Exhibit Number 1 refuting your position. Those classes were a joke. Scratchy record player, bad acoustics etc. Horton was Mr. "A-u-t-o-m-a-t-i-c" as in Automatic "A" decades before Davante Gardner showed up on campus. Urban legend was that one student had a cover page, table of contents and two pages of script followed by 26 blank pages and got an "A".

I never had the 8:00 a.m., pleasure of Horton. But the challenge I used to raise to my brothers and sister was (to the tune of a Capital One what's in your wallet? phrase) "How many Hortons are in your GPA?"

That was many, many years ago.

[Cheeks]

Lol ok. You sound like Fox & Friends all the time.

Uhm, ok Rachel.

[Cheeks]

The mistake UNC made was they did not properly oversee the administration of the easy classes. Most Universities,including MU, do a great job of this.  UNC essentially let the African American department, and a couple of people in the department who were big sports fan, administer a big chunk of their easy class portfolio, and the school turned a blind eye. So when a disgruntled former student athlete complained the whole system was exposed. If one reads the case files, it shows that the biggest out right abuser of the system by the way was the coach of the UNC Womans soccer team. It is not a coincidence that  their ladies have won 22 national titles in that sport.

Having 3 kids in division one sports I can confidently say that all schools have these set ups.  Most  administer with much more thoughtfulness than UNC did.

Some good stuff here, but on the women’s soccer thing.....most of their titles were won before these classes even existed in the African and Afro American Studies program.  Yes, there were a number of programs that had kids taking the classes, including women’s soccer, but I think you are over stepping their accomplishments tied to the classes.

[Newsdreams]

Uhm, ok Rachel.

Lol you really need help

[Cheeks]

Lol you really need help

From your denial of how poorly the FBI has been the last few years in high profile cases, you may wish to use the mirror in the bathroom.

[Newsdreams]

From your denial of how poorly the FBI has been the last few years in high profile cases, you may wish to use the mirror in the bathroom.

You can't let anything go, and that is a major self esteem problem.