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Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« on: June 10, 2019, 11:28:19 PM »
With all the talk of “busts” and “swings and misses”, just wondering if opinions differ as to Coach’s biggest recruiting home run and biggest actual game victories.

Looks pretty obvious that recruiting-wise it’s Markus. Some would argue Henry due to his “star factor” right out of HS, and how it positioned us for making further top100 recruiting inroads. I would actually rank Sam ahead of Henry because of how consistent his production was. Markus wins this race by daylight imo. Had Henry stayed three years and improved each year, even Markus probably wouldn’t match Hank’s home-run factor.

Game-wise, I am taking the 2nd half annihilation of Buffalo  at the brand new FF. Everyone in attendance at that game could see how strong, talented, and athletic that opponent was...and to see Wojo’s biggest recruiting “hit” take over the game and serve notice to the rest of the country how unique his individual talent is and, more importantly... to also serve notice that Marquette hoops is back.
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Re: Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2019, 06:05:59 AM »
Obviously Markus.

Hiring Stan and Nelson.

Sam, for sure. Important player on 2 NCAA teams in 3 years; helped give us nice bragging rights over F%ckyland.

Katin, Rowsey, Morrow -- transfers who contributed significantly to NCAA tourney teams.

Henry, of course. And Joey had other options; might not have been the slam dunk we thought it was ... but certainly borderline whether Joey turned out to be a "hit" for Marquette.

Bailey if he keeps improving. A 12-year NBA veteran chose Wojo's program for his son; I happen to think that's a pretty big get. But it only becomes a "big hit" if Bailey excels on the court.

Wojo's "hit list" obviously is still a work in progress. Who knows? Koby or even Symir might be near the top of this list a year or two from now.
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Re: Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2019, 08:59:17 AM »
I'd say either Sacar or Theo. The top-100 & transfers are pretty obvious guys to recruit. The 3-star guys, less so.

Sacar was lightly recruited & had to redshirt, but has developed into a solid starter, excellent wing defender, reliable 3-point shooter, & proven he can occasionally take over a game.

Theo is a dominating defender who made massive strides as a sophomore & still has two years left. He'll be a guy that, come January 2021, the rest of the Big East will be saying "he hasn't graduated yet?!?" Really good find.

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Re: Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2019, 09:13:40 AM »
I'd say either Sacar or Theo. The top-100 & transfers are pretty obvious guys to recruit. The 3-star guys, less so.

Sacar was lightly recruited & had to redshirt, but has developed into a solid starter, excellent wing defender, reliable 3-point shooter, & proven he can occasionally take over a game.

Theo is a dominating defender who made massive strides as a sophomore & still has two years left. He'll be a guy that, come January 2021, the rest of the Big East will be saying "he hasn't graduated yet?!?" Really good find.

That's a great thing don't get me wrong, and as you said, he has two years left yet, but I really wish he had an offensive game..like Devante..dump it down to him and it's points. Hopefully he gets one in the next two years.
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Re: Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2019, 09:36:55 AM »
I'd say either Sacar or Theo. The top-100 & transfers are pretty obvious guys to recruit. The 3-star guys, less so.

Sacar was lightly recruited & had to redshirt, but has developed into a solid starter, excellent wing defender, reliable 3-point shooter, & proven he can occasionally take over a game.

Theo is a dominating defender who made massive strides as a sophomore & still has two years left. He'll be a guy that, come January 2021, the rest of the Big East will be saying "he hasn't graduated yet?!?" Really good find.

Sacar and Theo are definitely huge hits.  Sacar especially.  His red shirt year progress showed me a lot. 

Markus is the best recruit
Sacar is  the best coaching result
Buffalo was the best game...the combo of a Friday Night, fans packed into students seats, the new Forum, ranked opponent and Markus going HAM.  It was a special, special night.
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Re: Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2019, 09:49:36 AM »
1. Markus
2. Sacar
3. Theo
4. Sam

Henry and Joey were recruiting wins. But that is different. Not necessarily the same thing as a hit on the court.

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Re: Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2019, 10:08:17 AM »
I'd put Rowsey #1. Yes, he put up big numbers at UNC-Asheville before coming here, but to take a sub-6 foot guy from a low major and get one of the best offensive players in program history is a huge hit.
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Re: Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2019, 11:40:07 AM »
I'd say either Sacar or Theo. The top-100 & transfers are pretty obvious guys to recruit. The 3-star guys, less so.

Sacar was lightly recruited & had to redshirt, but has developed into a solid starter, excellent wing defender, reliable 3-point shooter, & proven he can occasionally take over a game.

Theo is a dominating defender who made massive strides as a sophomore & still has two years left. He'll be a guy that, come January 2021, the rest of the Big East will be saying "he hasn't graduated yet?!?" Really good find.

Reasonable take.

You went at this from a different angle than I did. I say Markus because, well, he simply has been the biggest hit of the Wojo era. Wojo (and Stan) got him out of Arizona, he improved under Wojo and the rest of the staff to be an All-American, and he will leave as by far the leading scorer in the history of a program that has had a lot of great players.

Sacar and Theo definitely were good "gets" or, as you say, "finds." And they've both been coached up well so far. But the title isn't "Biggest Find of Wojo Era," it's "Biggest Hit."

It's kind of like when Markus scores 37 but Sacar goes for 14 with 6 boards and great D. Who is SOTG? Markus is "too obvious" for some, and Sacar doesn't win many, so lots of folks might choose Sacar. But it's hard to argue that anybody other than Markus was the stud of that game.

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Re: Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2019, 11:40:37 AM »
That's a great thing don't get me wrong, and as you said, he has two years left yet, but I really wish he had an offensive game..like Devante..dump it down to him and it's points. Hopefully he gets one in the next two years.

Davante was pretty unique in that regard, but Theo has shown some of that. Give him any space and he'll dunk it with authority. He can also hit the hook occasionally. He did make over 60% of his field goals, which is better than Davante Gardner ever managed.

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Re: Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2019, 11:48:18 AM »
That's a great thing don't get me wrong, and as you said, he has two years left yet, but I really wish he had an offensive game..like Devante..dump it down to him and it's points. Hopefully he gets one in the next two years.

Would Gardner have been able to stop Theo from scoring?    Do you like Theo's chances defending Gardner?     Does MU need another offensive weapon or a defensive anchor?
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Re: Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2019, 11:54:12 AM »
Davante was pretty unique in that regard, but Theo has shown some of that. Give him any space and he'll dunk it with authority. He can also hit the hook occasionally. He did make over 60% of his field goals, which is better than Davante Gardner ever managed.
Though, to be fair, Davante had a ton of made FTs at a 79% clip....so he was quite a bit more effective than Theo.

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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2019, 12:21:51 PM »
I'd put Rowsey #1. Yes, he put up big numbers at UNC-Asheville before coming here, but to take a sub-6 foot guy from a low major and get one of the best offensive players in program history is a huge hit.
I agree with this analysis.

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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2019, 01:57:41 PM »
Kudos to u northern for even starting the thread.  Good job in the face of the negativity n doom n gllom that tends to surrroind the board by muguru and his band of unemployed eyores.
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Re: Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2019, 02:45:44 PM »
Though, to be fair, Davante had a ton of made FTs at a 79% clip....so he was quite a bit more effective than Theo.

This +1000
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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2019, 02:47:29 PM »
Would Gardner have been able to stop Theo from scoring?    Do you like Theo's chances defending Gardner?     Does MU need another offensive weapon or a defensive anchor?

A. You can never have enough weapons, in any sport. Look at the 2003 MU Final Four team..all 5 of their starters could go off on any given day. They were all weapons on the offensive side. B. Why can't he be both?? Why can't he be Rob Jackson??
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Re: Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2019, 03:30:42 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2019, 08:27:43 PM »
A. You can never have enough weapons, in any sport. Look at the 2003 MU Final Four team..all 5 of their starters could go off on any given day. They were all weapons on the offensive side. B. Why can't he be both?? Why can't he be Rob Jackson??

I am not sure Todd could.  SN off the bench for sure.

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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2019, 09:14:42 PM »
I am not sure Todd could.  SN off the bench for sure.

Agreed

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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2019, 09:19:38 PM »
Gardner was a weapon on offense but a liability on defense.

Theo is a weapon on defense and an ok offensive player if you go by advanced stats.

I loved Gardner's offensive game but Theo impacts the game in a similar way on the defensive end.

If you have a guy who has Gardner's offensive game and Theo's defensive game he is a 5 star who we probably aren't getting.

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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2019, 09:31:32 PM »
Gardner was a weapon on offense but a liability on defense.

Theo is a weapon on defense and an ok offensive player if you go by advanced stats.

I loved Gardner's offensive game but Theo impacts the game in a similar way on the defensive end.

If you have a guy who has Gardner's offensive game and Theo's defensive game he is a 5 star who we probably aren't getting.

Gardner's defense at the end of the Davidson game was pure matador.  Buzz played the maestro with line up switches from offense to defense and back again. But, Buzz got caught short on the subs and time outs at the end there. But, Vander bailed both their (big) asses out (of course, #54 set a big ass pick for Vander to win it).

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Re: Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2019, 12:22:27 AM »
Kudos to u northern for even starting the thread.  Good job in the face of the negativity n doom n gllom that tends to surrroind the board by muguru and his band of unemployed eyores.

Thanks...I truly started it just because I got tired of almost every subject being or becoming negative.

I don’t say this in any sort of lecturing way, as Lord knows I have many days where it’s a struggle to improve my outlook...but I am finally learning that life is more fun and fulfilling when one believes in abundance rather than shortage. As a golfer, a horseplayer, and just in life in general...when you approach things from a perspective of abundance, even being blessed or favored, it’s amazing how you bring about positive outcomes. You can then pass on some of your good vibes forward. When you operate from a mindset of shortage, it manifests itself.

I was floored when we lost the Hausers. That said, those lofty top5 rankings were hogwash, and people didn’t seem to factor in how was the chemistry going to be magically rectified in ‘19-‘20? Every year there are two or three major “whiffs” by the hoops publications regarding preseason top15 lists. With festering unhappiness with the same roster returning, knowing what we know now,  I believe we were poised for a season of underachieving. Now, we are going to have to overachieve...that’s not a bad thing.
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Re: Biggest Hit of Wojo Era
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2019, 11:09:19 AM »
Though, to be fair, Davante had a ton of made FTs at a 79% clip....so he was quite a bit more effective than Theo.

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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2019, 11:26:47 AM »
Would Gardner have been able to stop Theo from scoring?    Do you like Theo's chances defending Gardner?     Does MU need another offensive weapon or a defensive anchor?

Fun comp. I like Theo, but I think senior year Davante would foul out sophomore year Theo by halftime.  Theo is a monster, but his one v one game needs to continue to develop. Davante had that big, sneaky, soft man Sean May game.

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« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2019, 08:55:51 PM »
Fun comp. I like Theo, but I think senior year Davante would foul out sophomore year Theo by halftime.  Theo is a monster, but his one v one game needs to continue to develop. Davante had that big, sneaky, soft man Sean May game.
I agree with this analysis.  Theo would limit Davante...until he DQ'ed up 10-8.  Davante wouldn't stop Theo one-on-one, but he'd draw a crap ton of fouls on Theo.
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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2019, 09:53:18 PM »
Davante was better than Dirk, so of course he would have dominated Theo.
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