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Lennys Tap

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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #100 on: May 20, 2019, 05:26:26 PM »
Todd Mayo...Jae Crowder


I get a kick out of how it’s ok to admit a  C+ student like Chris Crawford, but it’s “terrible” to admit a D+ student.  What’s the difference?  Both are well below the average MU student. 

Terrible. Lol.

Most unqualified guy admitted to MU in the last 20 years? D Wade

#2? Jae Crowder.

Best 2 things (IMHO) to happen to MU hoops in the last 20 years? D Wade and Jae Crowder.

Guys like that will never get in going forward, though, and for some that's a cause for celebration. Their precious degrees (never elite in the first place) won't be diminished by such riffraff. Sigh.


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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #101 on: May 20, 2019, 05:45:28 PM »
Lenny,

I agree that is a shame.  Those players bring value to a university.   If they are good people and earnest about getting their education started they are as valuable or more valuable to the University than a straight A student.  Good people should be given a chance.  An MU degree is valuable and can elevate young men and women to be better people and more productive citizens. 


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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #102 on: May 20, 2019, 07:44:51 PM »
Most unqualified guy admitted to MU in the last 20 years? D Wade

#2? Jae Crowder.

Best 2 things (IMHO) to happen to MU hoops in the last 20 years? D Wade and Jae Crowder.

Guys like that will never get in going forward, though, and for some that's a cause for celebration. Their precious degrees (never elite in the first place) won't be diminished by such riffraff. Sigh.
Love Crowder but the difference is that coaching staff didn't completely disclosed that Crowder basically had no chance to graduate. Wade's case was different, administration knew that he would not qualify and basically had to become academically eligible by his own effort. Different situations / conditions.

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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #103 on: May 20, 2019, 07:48:38 PM »
Love Crowder but the difference is that coaching staff didn't completely disclosed that Crowder basically had no chance to graduate. Wade's case was different, administration knew that he would not qualify and basically had to become academically eligible by his own effort. Different situations / conditions.

This is why we feel so much better about Henry Ellenson—had a chance to graduate right?

Also do we ensure all our grad transfers graduate on-time?
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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #104 on: May 20, 2019, 07:58:30 PM »
This is why we feel so much better about Henry Ellenson—had a chance to graduate right?

Also do we ensure all our grad transfers graduate on-time?

Exactly, Frenns. One can make the argument that Crowder had no business being at Marquette - or an even stronger one that D Wade didn't. Those people would be douches, though.

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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #105 on: May 20, 2019, 07:59:09 PM »
This is why we feel so much better about Henry Ellenson—had a chance to graduate right?
Again different circumstances no information withheld, no APR hit. Maybe smoke & mirrors.....

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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #106 on: May 20, 2019, 08:06:47 PM »
Again different circumstances no information withheld, no APR hit. Maybe smoke & mirrors.....

We can walk and chew gum without dealing with absolutes.  I’m pretty confident that we can take a Jae Crowder without blowing APR if managed appropriately.

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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #107 on: May 20, 2019, 08:13:21 PM »
Love Crowder but the difference is that coaching staff didn't completely disclosed that Crowder basically had no chance to graduate. Wade's case was different, administration knew that he would not qualify and basically had to become academically eligible by his own effort. Different situations / conditions.

Love ya Newsie.  But, during Crean, athletics admissions was switched out of AD. Both MU and the NCAA Clearinghouse passed Jae and his deficiencies were well known and public.  The same group passed the same protocols on ND Prep (specialized in LD) players including Beasley, Paul Harris, Lazar and Todd. When Cassell's kid came up from ND Prep, the shyt hit the fan with the new regime.

Lazar, Jae and Todd still haven't graduated.  Junior did. Junior is the least wealthy.

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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #108 on: May 20, 2019, 08:15:23 PM »
Most unqualified guy admitted to MU in the last 20 years? Dwade.

False statement on every level


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« Reply #109 on: May 20, 2019, 08:16:39 PM »
False statement on every level

Not by ACT score

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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #110 on: May 20, 2019, 08:32:05 PM »
Not by ACT score

He said categorically the most unqualified person admitted to MU in the last 20 years.  That is a false statement.  I can tell you if one person admitted because of a favor of a Sr VP of the university that wasn’t close.  The person didn’t last three weeks.  Functionally illiterate.
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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #111 on: May 20, 2019, 08:34:10 PM »
Love ya Newsie.  But, during Crean, athletics admissions was switched out of AD. Both MU and the NCAA Clearinghouse passed Jae and his deficiencies were well known and public.  The same group passed the same protocols on ND Prep (specialized in LD) players including Beasley, Paul Harris, Lazar and Todd. When Cassell's kid came up from ND Prep, the shyt hit the fan with the new regime.

Lazar, Jae and Todd still haven't graduated.  Junior did. Junior is the least wealthy.
So the information that he was never going to graduate was not fully disclosed is incorrect? Thought that was one of the main issues why Jucos became a problem with Buzz.

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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #112 on: May 20, 2019, 08:36:23 PM »
Not by ACT score

Right. Least qualified freshman admitted to MU per ACT score in at least the last 20 years.

Not counting the one guy Cheeks made up who evidently doesn't have a name, date or ACT score attached to him.

And of course I'm not "backtracking". I was basing my statement on his ACT score all along - which of course Chico knew.
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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #113 on: May 20, 2019, 08:39:04 PM »
Right. Least qualified freshman admitted to MU per ACT score in at least the last 20 years.

Also a statement you don’t know to be true, but throw it out there anyway....hmmm you accuse others of that....remember....but nice to see you backtracking. 

Yes, some kids perform poorly on standardized tests and this has been known for the last 40 years.

http://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/168533026.html

One of the reasons the College Board made the SAT change announcement last week. 
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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #114 on: May 20, 2019, 09:28:04 PM »
So Cheeks, who was more qualified Lazar or Todd?  Be careful on your answer.

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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #115 on: May 20, 2019, 10:19:48 PM »
Most unqualified guy admitted to MU in the last 20 years? D Wade.
False statement on every level
This video reminds me of Chicos Bail Bonds and Lennys Tap debating

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZdKCFFR3I
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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #116 on: May 20, 2019, 11:29:40 PM »
“Meanwhile, Id’ll cheer hard for MH as a young man that seemingly we can be proud of.”

I’ll cheer for Markus as well.  Now whether or not I do it as amorously as you ....I don’t see how that’s anyone’s damn business.
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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #117 on: May 21, 2019, 09:27:00 AM »
This video reminds me of Chicos Bail Bonds and Lennys Tap debating

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZdKCFFR3I


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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #118 on: May 21, 2019, 11:54:42 AM »
Back to the Athletic article...

Some on here have questioned what type of message MU wants to send to their fans about the type of program they aspire to be.  Do they want to compete with the big boys, or do they want to have a passable team that makes the NCAA Tournament some of the time and wins a game or two there on occasion, with an emphasis on “low risk” players who represent the university well?

If you read between the lines of this article, I think you’ll notice that there’s a gradual sea change going on.  Wojo and the Athletic Department *are* now touting what great human beings their players are and how successful they’ve been in the community and classroom, and they’re saying things like, “We believe the winning will come, even though it hasn’t happened yet.”  Wojo even said something to the effect of, “I was hired to run a program that represents the university well.”  Hell, the last paragraph pretty much states that if you don’t like the direction of the program, then too bad, because that’s the way things are going to be.

My main takeaway from this article is that Wojo’s seat isn’t remotely hot.  And if it gets hot, he’ll be replaced with another guy who will achieve slightly-better-than-Deane results.  That’s what we’ve gotten and that’s what we’ll continue to get with the current administration.  They’ve just been slow to let us know about it.

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« Reply #119 on: May 21, 2019, 12:01:14 PM »
Back to the Athletic article...

Some on here have questioned what type of message MU wants to send to their fans about the type of program they aspire to be.  Do they want to compete with the big boys, or do they want to have a passable team that makes the NCAA Tournament some of the time and wins a game or two there on occasion, with an emphasis on “low risk” players who represent the university well?


Why do you act like these are mutually exclusive options?

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« Reply #120 on: May 21, 2019, 12:06:11 PM »

Why do you act like these are mutually exclusive options?

They’re not, but let’s be honest:  Only a select few extremely talented coaches are able to walk that tight rope.  I don’t think we have one.

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« Reply #121 on: May 21, 2019, 12:21:33 PM »
They’re not, but let’s be honest:  Only a select few extremely talented coaches are able to walk that tight rope.  I don’t think we have one.

Who are these select few?

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« Reply #122 on: May 21, 2019, 01:01:00 PM »
They’re not, but let’s be honest:  Only a select few extremely talented coaches are able to walk that tight rope.  I don’t think we have one.


I really don't think that's the case at all.  I think there are plenty of coaches who win with players who are both good at basketball and represent their university well.

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Re: Wojo/MU story in The Athletic
« Reply #123 on: May 21, 2019, 03:34:38 PM »
The irony....your boy ruined it.  His staff couldn't tell the truth, some of his players couldn't follow the rules and way beyond, and some of the guys he "recruited" ......well let's just say your guy ruined it. If the university over rotated, it is because of what went down when he was the CEO of the program.  The irony.....but of course you and others blame the school, not the actual fools that committed the various acts that led to clamp down.  Amazing.

Can you finally just tell us all the stories - and you don't have to name specific names, I'd just like to know actions - that aren't already public knowledge?

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« Reply #124 on: May 21, 2019, 03:36:51 PM »
Back to the Athletic article...

Some on here have questioned what type of message MU wants to send to their fans about the type of program they aspire to be.  Do they want to compete with the big boys, or do they want to have a passable team that makes the NCAA Tournament some of the time and wins a game or two there on occasion, with an emphasis on “low risk” players who represent the university well?

If you read between the lines of this article, I think you’ll notice that there’s a gradual sea change going on.  Wojo and the Athletic Department *are* now touting what great human beings their players are and how successful they’ve been in the community and classroom, and they’re saying things like, “We believe the winning will come, even though it hasn’t happened yet.”  Wojo even said something to the effect of, “I was hired to run a program that represents the university well.”  Hell, the last paragraph pretty much states that if you don’t like the direction of the program, then too bad, because that’s the way things are going to be.

My main takeaway from this article is that Wojo’s seat isn’t remotely hot.  And if it gets hot, he’ll be replaced with another guy who will achieve slightly-better-than-Deane results.  That’s what we’ve gotten and that’s what we’ll continue to get with the current administration.  They’ve just been slow to let us know about it.

Or, you could actually just read the lines of this article and understand that they want to win at the highest level while maintaining the culture of Marquette.