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Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« on: May 09, 2019, 12:27:48 PM »
I went deep (deeeeeeeeeeep) on Jayce's addition and what it might mean for the team in terms of offensive style and minute load. As long as Theo remains the priority, I actually like it much more than I did the first 2 weeks. 

https://painttouches.com/2019/05/09/where-does-jayce-johnson-fit-for-marquette/

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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2019, 03:08:41 PM »
I’ll beat someone to the punch

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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2019, 03:21:17 PM »
All of the bigs may have more opportunities this year off  from dump offs off of penetration.     They better all learn how to get to an open spot and get their hands up.   
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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2019, 03:21:36 PM »
Good stuff, Andrei.
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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2019, 03:32:15 PM »
I think this is means Ed is going to be given the chance at the 4 and the offense will adapt accordingly.  Mostly because the other alternatives don't give me a lot of confidence either.

My assumptions are that Markus, Koby, Sacar and Theo are four of the starters.

Do you start Bailey?  I mean Bailey showed flashes but is that who should be out there primarily?  I mean, you *could* start him I guess but I'm not sure he should get more than 15 or so minutes.

Cain?  Eehhhh...probably not

Elliott with Sacar moving to the 4?  Undersized, and that may end up working, but I think Elliott is a bit of a wildcard at this point.

So look, it's better to be safe and add depth to the roster.  Injuries are a thing.  If it doesn't work and Ed gets his minutes cut, what's he going to do?  He leaves at the end of the year anyway.  Really the only downside risk is team chemistry OR if Theo gets his minutes cut and wants to go.  (Which doesn't make a lot of sense since he seems to be the only post player for 2020-21 with any experience.)
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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2019, 03:47:21 PM »
Bailey is an outstanding defender
Can guard the 4
Can play the 4
6’10”
Needs 20 lbs n he can be a really good 4
Sacar n greag can also be small mtchup problem 4s
Mu gonna be good
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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2019, 03:52:02 PM »
Bailey is an outstanding defender
Can guard the 4
Can play the 4
6’10”
Needs 20 lbs n he can be a really good 4
Sacar n greag can also be small mtchup problem 4s
Mu gonna be good

Bailey most definitely could play the 4.  But I'm not sure I want to rely on that happening at this point.
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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2019, 04:34:34 PM »
Bailey is an outstanding defender
Can guard the 4
Can play the 4
6’10”
Needs 20 lbs n he can be a really good 4
Sacar n greag can also be small mtchup problem 4s
Mu gonna be good

Yeah, I'm 6'10" as well ::)

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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2019, 04:45:01 PM »
Bailey is an outstanding defender
Can guard the 4
Can play the 4
6’10”
Needs 20 lbs n he can be a really good 4
Sacar n greag can also be small mtchup problem 4s
Mu gonna be good

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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2019, 04:56:27 PM »
Jayce is a replacement for Matt Heldt.

He may get some extended minutes in certain games where the other team has some non athletic large stiff centers or when Theo /Ed start to get heavy fouls.

If Jayce can prove himself Heldt-worthy than it gives the team some flexibility .

The European Tour is coming along at a good time for the team .
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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2019, 04:58:36 PM »
Jayce is a replacement for Matt Heldt.

He may get some extended minutes in certain games where the other team has some non athletic large stiff centers or when Theo /Ed start to get heavy fouls.

If Jayce can prove himself Heldt-worthy than it gives the team some flexibility .

The European Tour is coming along at a good time for the team .

Undoubtedly, that's the argument the coaching staff used to get him to pass on starting at Nebraska.
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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2019, 05:12:52 PM »
Jayce is a replacement for Matt Heldt.

He may get some extended minutes in certain games where the other team has some non athletic large stiff centers or when Theo /Ed start to get heavy fouls.

If Jayce can prove himself Heldt-worthy than it gives the team some flexibility .

The European Tour is coming along at a good time for the team .

I really doubt he is just a replacement for Matt.

In his best season (‘17-‘18), Matt averaged 3.9 ppg and 2.9 rpg. Last season, Jayce averaged 7.0 and 7.7.  In fact, Jayce had better stats as a frosh (his worst season statistically) then Matt ever had at his peak.

I loved Matt for his attitude and energy, but I don’t think Jayce came here to be a high-energy practice guy.

My humble opinion is that Jayce plays considerable minutes at the five (backing up Theo), while Ed moves over to the four and shares minutes with Brendan.

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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2019, 05:26:02 PM »
I really doubt he is just a replacement for Matt.

In his best season (‘17-‘18), Matt averaged 3.9 ppg and 2.9 rpg. Last season, Jayce averaged 7.0 and 7.7.  In fact, Jayce had better stats as a frosh (his worst season statistically) then Matt ever had at his peak.

I loved Matt for his attitude and energy, but I don’t think Jayce came here to be a high-energy practice guy.

My humble opinion is that Jayce plays considerable minutes at the five (backing up Theo), while Ed moves over to the four and shares minutes with Brendan.

Agreed but I would add Cain in the mix at the 4.

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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2019, 05:41:58 PM »
Undoubtedly, that's the argument the coaching staff used to get him to pass on starting at Nebraska.
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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2019, 05:44:09 PM »
Agreed but I would add Cain in the mix at the 4.

True. Jamal will probably see time at both 3 and 4, depending on matchups and such.

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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2019, 06:47:25 PM »
Bailey is an outstanding defender
Can guard the 4
Can play the 4
6’10”
Needs 20 lbs n he can be a really good 4
Sacar n greag can also be small mtchup problem 4s
Mu gonna be good
Uhhh....Sorry, stating Bailey is an outstanding defender does not make it so.
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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2019, 06:49:01 PM »
Jayce is a replacement for Matt Heldt.

He may get some extended minutes in certain games where the other team has some non athletic large stiff centers or when Theo /Ed start to get heavy fouls.

If Jayce can prove himself Heldt-worthy than it gives the team some flexibility .

The European Tour is coming along at a good time for the team .
But wait....Wojo just said Johnson is "an elite level rebounder"
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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2019, 06:57:18 PM »
Yeah, I'm 6'10" as well ::)

But you set a mean moving pick.

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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2019, 07:49:45 PM »
But wait....Wojo just said Johnson is "an elite level rebounder"

He is. 27.5% defensive rebounding percentage (top 25 in the country) and 14% offensive rebounding percentage (top 30 in the country). Given that there are thousands of basketball players in D1, I'd say finishing top 30 on both ends is pretty elite.
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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2019, 08:37:23 PM »
I really doubt he is just a replacement for Matt.

In his best season (‘17-‘18), Matt averaged 3.9 ppg and 2.9 rpg. Last season, Jayce averaged 7.0 and 7.7.  In fact, Jayce had better stats as a frosh (his worst season statistically) then Matt ever had at his peak.

I loved Matt for his attitude and energy, but I don’t think Jayce came here to be a high-energy practice guy.

My humble opinion is that Jayce plays considerable minutes at the five (backing up Theo), while Ed moves over to the four and shares minutes with Brendan.
Matt was a serviceable Big East Center. In fact in 17-18 he gave us 22 minutes a game.  He did a lot of little things to help the team win over the years. So I should have clarified what I meant as Jayce as a replacement for Matt.

Theo and Ed were both considerably more impactful  this past year and thus Matt's role changed. We won more as a result. That doesn't imply that  Matt wouldn't have progressed from the prior year if he had the minutes, as Matt progressed every year.

I see Jayce as being used in  something closer to Matt's 2017-18 role as a serviceable Big East Big . That said, my guess is that we will see frequent configurations with two of the 5s playing at the same time.  Last year we had the luxury of the Brothers Hauser at 6-8 and 6-9 playing Major minutes, so we could rotate our Big Men in . Maybe this year we see some lineups with 3 guards and two of the Big guys.

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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2019, 09:25:41 AM »
Johnson is going to play a "non- stretch" 4 with either Theo or Ed......

Classic wings with Sacar.....Bailey....Cain.....

Any combo of the guards at the other 2 spot.....

That is why we could use a Grad transfer 4.......still.......

Go small and either play 3 guards.......or 2 wings.......

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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2019, 10:18:07 AM »
He is. 27.5% defensive rebounding percentage (top 25 in the country) and 14% offensive rebounding percentage (top 30 in the country). Given that there are thousands of basketball players in D1, I'd say finishing top 30 on both ends is pretty elite.
Then he should be on the floor at least 30 minutes per game with that reasoning. Not playing an "elite rebounder" of that ilk would be trgic, don't you agree?
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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2019, 10:43:21 AM »
Uhhh....Sorry, stating Bailey is an outstanding defender does not make it so.

Brendan certainly didn't earn 14+ minutes a game as a freshman for his offense.

He was a very good defender off the bench last season. With his combination of length and quickness, he can guard at least 3 positions (possibly 4 this season if he puts on some muscle). That versatility makes him a highly valuable player on the court, allowing Wojo the flexibility of switching when needed.

Brendan was 3rd on the team in block percentage (after Theo and Ed) and 5th in steal percentage. His biggest weakness right now is defensive rebounding, which ranked last on the team. That should improve with greater strength and experience.
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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2019, 10:54:00 AM »
Then he should be on the floor at least 30 minutes per game with that reasoning. Not playing an "elite rebounder" of that ilk would be trgic, don't you agree?

Depending on how quickly Jayce gets up to speed and meshes with the team, he should be a significant contributor down low. 30+ minutes? Doubtful. Last season he averaged 21.9 mpg, topping 30 minutes just 3 times. Plus, MU only had 3 players average 30+ minutes (Markus, Sam and Sacar).
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Re: Where does Jayce Johnson fit?
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2019, 11:24:59 AM »
Johnson is going to play a "non- stretch" 4 with either Theo or Ed......

Classic wings with Sacar.....Bailey....Cain.....

Any combo of the guards at the other 2 spot.....

I wonder if that lineup will be able to get back on defense fast enough. I guess if we make our shots and dominate the offensive glass it won't matter.

It was rough watching the Hausers try to play transition defense last year, so I guess it won't be anything new.