Lets talk St Johns

[NotAnAlum]

Even if only as a distraction from our own problems.  Now turned down by their 3rd choice the Loyola coach Tim Cluess.  OMG that program is in trouble.   I guess at least Wojo won't have to worry about beating them next year.

[#UnleashSean]

St Johns is a dumpster fire. This was breaking news in 1999.

[NorthernDancerColt]

St Johns is a dumpster fire. This was breaking news in 1999.

They really need someone with celebrity power to lockup NYC talent, but who can actually coach.  It will never be Pitino. So, I was thinking...what about a guy who is synonymous with New York like Stephon Marbury? 

Then I saw some outtakes from his recent Twitter war with Doug Gottlieb...omg there is some funny content there. If people think Penny Hardaway is outspoken with the Memphis media, just imagine Starbury mixing it up with the New York media...

I’m not saying he would ever be a candidate anywhere, but desperate times....

[Herman Cain]

I think St.Johns should reach out to Mark Jackson. He was a winning coach in the NBA.  If he is willing to get back into coaching, he might be able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again . He has the name recognition and New York pedigree that could go a long way.

Mullin had one big achievement, he brought the Thug element back to the St. Johns games. In some schools that would be a bad thing, but in Queens it is actually a prestige factor. Gave credibility to certain kinds of recruits.

[willie warrior]

St Johns is a dumpster fire. This was breaking news in 1999.

Well...the dumpster fire has spread to us.

[NorthernDancerColt]

I think St.Johns should reach out to Mark Jackson. He was a winning coach in the NBA.  If he is willing to get back into coaching, he might be able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again . He has the name recognition and New York pedigree that could go a long way.

Mullin had one big achievement, he brought the Thug element back to the St. Johns games. In some schools that would be a bad thing, but in Queens it is actually a prestige factor. Gave credibility to certain kinds of recruits.

Omg, Mark Jackson is an excellent choice. I was brainstorming and can’t believe I didn’t think of him...very level-headed guy. Instant respect in NYC.

[brewcity77]

So far they've been turned down by Bobby Hurley, Porter Moser, Ryan Odom, and Tim Cluess. There were rumors James Jones from Yale could be named today, but nothing so far as more candidates come into the picture. Here are other names I've heard of late:

• Frank Haith: (Tulsa HC) 15 years as a coach at 3 different jobs. He has 1 NCAA victory in 4 appearances & has been in hot water with the NCAA before.
  
• Paul Hewitt: (LA Clipper Scout) Would've been a hot name in 2004 after he was NCAA Tournament runner-up, but a deeper dive shows that was his only winning conference season in 11 years at Georgia Tech & while he had early success at George Mason, he went 20-42 in his last two seasons.
  
• Mike Boynton: (Oklahoma State HC) Boynton was a long-time assistant who led OSU to the NIT last year before a 12-20 season this year. Probably not the most inspired hire.
  
• Rick Pitino: (Panathinaikos HC) We all know Rick Porcini, who oversaw a tidal wave of NCAA investigations at Louisville. Many New Yorkers & a few St. John's players are calling for him to come back, though Pitino said he would only do it if the Southern District of New York issued an apology & exoneration for him. No, seriously he made that demand.
  
• Mike Anderson: (Unemployed) He has gone to 9 NCAA Tournaments in 17 seasons at 3 different jobs, with another 3 NIT appearances. Recently fired from Arkansas & has no real ties to New York.
  
• Sam Newberry: (Anonymous Eagle Podcaster) He's appealed for the job & would likely appreciate it if you could help get the #samnewberrytostjohns hashtag going.

[Uncle Rico]

I think St.Johns should reach out to Mark Jackson. He was a winning coach in the NBA.  If he is willing to get back into coaching, he might be able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again . He has the name recognition and New York pedigree that could go a long way.

Mullin had one big achievement, he brought the Thug element back to the St. Johns games. In some schools that would be a bad thing, but in Queens it is actually a prestige factor. Gave credibility to certain kinds of recruits.

Lol

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I think St.Johns should reach out to Mark Jackson. He was a winning coach in the NBA.  If he is willing to get back into coaching, he might be able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again . He has the name recognition and New York pedigree that could go a long way.

Mullin had one big achievement, he brought the Thug element back to the St. Johns games. In some schools that would be a bad thing, but in Queens it is actually a prestige factor. Gave credibility to certain kinds of recruits.

Reading today's New Haven Register, apparently the Yale coach, James Jones, has interviewed.

The same article said since he was told he's not a candidate, Rick Pitino is pushing for St. John's to hire Mark Jackson.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Word that Paul Hewitt has been talked to. The guy who last coached George Mason to 9-22 record in 2015.

[brewcity77]

I'll give them this, they are making that DePaul process that started with Hurley & Drew and ended with Leitao look smooth.

[#UnleashSean]

Well...the dumpster fire has spread to us.

Marquette dumpster fire since 2019

[Johnny B]

Tim is the iona coach not Loyola. REPORT BETTER next time

[JWags85]

Word that Paul Hewitt has been talked to. The guy who last coached George Mason to 9-22 record in 2015.

Dude makes Porter Moser look like Coach K.

Realized today, St John’s program hasn’t won an NCAA game since they built dorms on campus which prevented them from giving generous housing subsidies (equal to local housing costs) to players. That kept tons of local kids from NY in the area.

[Herman Cain]

Dude makes Porter Moser look like Coach K.

Realized today, St John’s program hasn’t won an NCAA game since they built dorms on campus which prevented them from giving generous housing subsidies (equal to local housing costs) to players. That kept tons of local kids from NY in the area.

This is a very astute observation.

[Billy Hoyle]

I think St.Johns should reach out to Mark Jackson. He was a winning coach in the NBA.  If he is willing to get back into coaching, he might be able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again . He has the name recognition and New York pedigree that could go a long way.

Mullin had one big achievement, he brought the Thug element back to the St. Johns games. In some schools that would be a bad thing, but in Queens it is actually a prestige factor. Gave credibility to certain kinds of recruits.

Jackson is still bitter they passed him over in 2010. Funny thing is that Hewitt turned SJ down in 2010 (actually, his wife vetoed it).

Why would Jackson have been better than a Mullin? Same pedigree.

Looks like it’s going to be Anderson. Very good hire considering the circumstances.

[Johnny B]

Does this say more about st John's or the big east? The people on the Nova board are much more pessimistic about this conference than the rest of us. Cant blame them. Without them we'd be the mvc

[cheebs09]

Jackson is still bitter they passed him over in 2010. Funny thing is that Hewitt turned SJ down in 2010 (actually, his wife vetoed it).

Why would Jackson have been better than a Mullin? Same pedigree.

Looks like it’s going to be Anderson. Very good hire considering the circumstances.

Mark Jackson at least has coaching experience. Mullin was only in the front office. Granted, other than LeBron, Mark Jackson is the only person to slow down the Warriors over the past 5 years.

[JWags85]

Jackson is still bitter they passed him over in 2010. Funny thing is that Hewitt turned SJ down in 2010 (actually, his wife vetoed it).

Why would Jackson have been better than a Mullin? Same pedigree.

Looks like it’s going to be Anderson. Very good hire considering the circumstances.

Did the just spin the wheel of recently fired P6 coaches and come up with Anderson? Seems pretty random

[Billy Hoyle]

Did the just spin the wheel of recently fired P6 coaches and come up with Anderson? Seems pretty random

Very random for sure. But, the guy has won everywhere. No losing seasons as a head coach, 9 tourney appearances in 17 seasons. Weird firing at Arkansas this year too. SJ upgraded in terms of coaching ability but still looks bad overall.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I really like Anderson.  Did a great job at UAB n Missouri. 

[Herman Cain]

The Johnnies make a solid hire.  Has a lot of work to do now to build a roster.

[4everwarriors]

Well...the dumpster fire has spread to us.

And know won has an extinguisher, aina?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I don't think this is a terrible hire, but he really stopped progressing at Arkansas about five years ago and has no ties to the New York area.  He will have to hire a good recruiter. 

[NickelDimer]

A hiring of Mike Anderson would go a loooong way in saving face. That’s a really good hire and seems like a great fit for recruiting that part of the country

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Why is it a good fit for recruiting?  He's from the south, never coached anywhere but the south, and has rarely (if ever) pulled from the northeast to those schools.  I get that he can learn and develop networks, and make a lot of in roads with the right assistants, but I don't see how it can be a "great fit."

[NickelDimer]

I think the type of players SJU has traditionally had and the type NYC area typically produces; tough, athletic, defensive minded fits his system well. Inroads is another dynamic to recruiting and I agree he’ll have to develop those

[Billy Hoyle]

I think the type of players SJU has traditionally had and the type NYC area typically produces; tough, athletic, defensive minded fits his system well. Inroads is another dynamic to recruiting and I agree he’ll have to develop those

If he hired the NY Rens AAU coach as his assistant there are his inroads.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

U think Anderson would be interested inthe Hausers? Lol
How many good athletic teams did MU beat this year? Mu could shoot but if Wojo did anyhting wrong with the Hausers it was recruit too many of them rendering our team too slow and unathletic in a game and league dependent on athleticism.

[brewcity77]

U think Anderson would be interested inthe Hausers? Lol
How many good athletic teams did MU beat this year? Mu could shoot but if Wojo did anyhting wrong with the Hausers it was recruit too many of them rendering our team too slow and unathletic in a game and league dependent on athleticism.

I'm definitely worried about our three-point shooting next year. Most likely, at the moment the majority of Hauser minutes go to McEwen, Bailey, & I imagine Cain or Elliott. That's almost certainly a downgrade in shooting. But as far as defensive speed & fit, it's actually better. Even still, Sam was really good at playing to his assignment & watching 133 three point makes at a 40.9% clip walk out the door is a big blow to the offense.

[Golden Avalanche]

Does this say more about st John's or the big east? The people on the Nova board are much more pessimistic about this conference than the rest of us. Cant blame them. Without them we'd be the mvc

It says nothing about the conference.  The administration at St. John's has been in disarray for the better part of the last decade.

This was well known behind the scenes but the coaching search has allowed the general public a peek at the mayhem.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I'm definitely worried about our three-point shooting next year. Most likely, at the moment the majority of Hauser minutes go to McEwen, Bailey, & I imagine Cain or Elliott. That's almost certainly a downgrade in shooting. But as far as defensive speed & fit, it's actually better. Even still, Sam was really good at playing to his assignment & watching 133 three point makes at a 40.9% clip walk out the door is a big blow to the offense.

Freely admit we will miss sam for 1 yr.  thats the sam of the first 20 games not the last 8.  Joey is like a hand splashing water in a bucket, remove and a minute later no one knows he was ever there.  Overrated, slow, soft, unintelligent, baby

[BM1090]

Freely admit we will miss sam for 1 yr.  thats the sam of the first 20 games not the last 8.  Joey is like a hand splashing water in a bucket, remove and a minute later no one knows he was ever there.  Overrated, slow, soft, unintelligent, baby

I think you'll see you're wrong as he develops over the next few years.

[Billy Hoyle]

It says nothing about the conference.  The administration at St. John's has been in disarray for the better part of the last decade.

This was well known behind the scenes but the coaching search has allowed the general public a peek at the mayhem.

more than that.  They haven't recovered mentally from the sanctions from the Jarvis era and the GC, Oliva, was the point man with the NCAA with the implementation of the sanctions and probation.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Anderson seems like a high floor, low ceiling hire to me. He's going to be good but I haven't seen anything from him to suggest he can elevate a program. I certainly would be disappointed if we hired a guy who Arkansas thought couldn't cut it.

That being said, I'm a true believer that coaches (like people in most occupations) improve over time. Maybe Anderson will show something at his next stop that we didn't see in his previous ones.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I think you'll see you're wrong as he develops over the next few years.

Big 10 would be good for him
Can guard guys that look like him
In BE he had to guard more athletic players and pouted n paniced becuase of it. 

[Herman Cain]

Why is it a good fit for recruiting?  He's from the south, never coached anywhere but the south, and has rarely (if ever) pulled from the northeast to those schools.  I get that he can learn and develop networks, and make a lot of in roads with the right assistants, but I don't see how it can be a "great fit."

The coach has won 369 college games. He has plenty of recruiting network and connections to get talent .

[Uncle Rico]

The coach has won 369 college games. He has plenty of recruiting network and connections to get talent .

Should have used those connections at Arkansas

[Herman Cain]

Should have used those connections at Arkansas

There are only 4 current college coaches who have at least 15 years of experience and no losing record. They are Tom Izzo, Roy Williams , Mark Few and  Mike Anderson .

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

There are only 4 current college coaches who have at least 15 years of experience and no losing record. They are Tom Izzo, Roy Williams , Mark Few and  Mike Anderson .

Boheim, if you overlook the vacated wins

[Uncle Rico]

There are only 4 current college coaches who have at least 15 years of experience and no losing record. They are Tom Izzo, Roy Williams , Mark Few and  Mike Anderson .

Arkansas should have kept him

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

There are only 4 current college coaches who have at least 15 years of experience and no losing record. They are Tom Izzo, Roy Williams , Mark Few and  Mike Anderson .

He had a good run at Missouri and I seem to remember he chose to go ‘home’.  Arkansas is a tough place to win.  Seems actually better/less risky than some of the whiffs as long as they  get him a NYC wired assistant.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

There are only 4 current college coaches who have at least 15 years of experience and no losing record. They are Tom Izzo, Roy Williams , Mark Few and  Mike Anderson .

Which doesn't really address his point.

[TheTulsaWarrior]

I have some history with Mike Anderson and can tell you he's a keeper.  A Nolan Richardson disciple who has a history of cleaning up messes.  He knows how to run a clean program and win.  Anderson played and worked at Tulsa and went with Nolan to Arkansas (FYI, the U of A is closer to Tulsa than the University of Oklahoma is to Tulsa.)  He was Nolan's prime recruiter.  The Johnnies will play fast with intense defense and discipline.  He knows where the JUCO keepers are and should be able to hire assistants who have strong east coast connections.   

[MU82]

Given the circumstance StJ found themselves -- turned down by their top, like, 200 choices -- they coulda done a lot, lot, lot worse than Mike Anderson.

Once he gets his players in there, that will not be an easy team to play.

(Of course, for us, Mullin's StJ team wasn't easy to play ... but that's beside the point!)

[Herman Cain]

Which doesn't really address his point.

The point is the guy is a proven winner has down it at several programs . There is no such thing as being geographically challenged as a coach. Wojo has no ties to the state of Wisconsin and the upper Midwest and look at all the players he has been able to sign from the region.

Job one for him is to convince LJ Figueroa to stay. Looks like he is making good progress

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/04/19/mike-andersons-st-johns-introduction-included-two-important-guests/amp/

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

The point is that there is reason to suggest that he isn't the coach he used to be.  People keep bringing up UAB and Mizzou but his Arkansas teams wouldn't really the same as those team were.  But MU82 is right.  They could have done worse.  But I just think hiring a recently fired head coach whose peak was 10 years ago is probably not the best way to approach a coaching search. 

This isn't nearly as bad as Pitt hiring Stallings but it certainly is similar.

[Marcus92]

I'm definitely worried about our three-point shooting next year. Most likely, at the moment the majority of Hauser minutes go to McEwen, Bailey, & I imagine Cain or Elliott. That's almost certainly a downgrade in shooting. But as far as defensive speed & fit, it's actually better. Even still, Sam was really good at playing to his assignment & watching 133 three point makes at a 40.9% clip walk out the door is a big blow to the offense.

This is actually one of my least concerns. As good as our three-point shooting has been, I think we've also come to depend on it too much. When we're not hitting from beyond the arc, the entire offense becomes stagnant. A more balanced offense should be less predictable, harder to game-plan for and more consistent. And greater quickness on defense could lead to more steals and high-percentage scoring opportunities in transition.

[MU82]

This is actually one of my least concerns. As good as our three-point shooting has been, I think we've also come to depend on it too much. When we're not hitting from beyond the arc, the entire offense becomes stagnant. A more balanced offense should be less predictable, harder to game-plan for and more consistent. And greater quickness on defense could lead to more steals and high-percentage scoring opportunities in transition.

Yes, we all but stopped scoring in transition this season, and it was very noticeable in the games when the 3s weren't falling. We didn't create many live-ball turnovers.

However, you need to be able to hit 3s in today's college basketball. Today's NBA and HS basketball too. That's doubly true if your team is small and if the few bigs you have aren't great around the rim, which seems as though will be our situation next season.

So while I do agree with you to a point, I also agree with brewski.

There were a few years there -- Buzz's last and the first 2 under Wojo -- where we would "lose" the 3-point contest 27-9 or 33-12. Very tough to win when that happens. Buzz's earlier teams could do it because they had some great talent, played fine defense, and the 3 wasn't quite as featured as now. But in general you can't go into every game knowing you're gonna lose the 3-point war by 21 or 30 points.

[Jon]

And know won has an extinguisher, aina?