Notre Dame Cathedral burning in Paris

[Hards Alumni]

https://www.apnews.com/73404d09773740f699d4b92933abec50

I was just there in November... What a tragic loss.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Normally I'd say ND sucks, but not in regards to the Cathedral.

From video, looks like renovations were going on.

[Not A Serious Person]

Yes, initial reports are it is a "construction accident" and not a terrorist attack on Holy Week.

Saying it is a total loss.  Thankfully no reports of injuries.  Fearing the loss of the artwork ... will be incalculable.

AP also reporting that thousands of Parisians are on the scene, so many it is hampering rescue efforts.  Many are upset and crying.

awful, no words.

[Coleman]

How can a church that is primarily made of stone be a total loss in a fire? Agree with you on the loss of artwork though

[Not A Serious Person]

How can a church that is primarily made of stone be a total loss in a fire? Agree with you on the loss of artwork though

Primarily made up of wood and Oak.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

And the Crown Thorns only come out for Holy Week.  Unbelievable.

[Hards Alumni]

How can a church that is primarily made of stone be a total loss in a fire? Agree with you on the loss of artwork though

Because its not made of just stone.  This is sort of like asking how a building that is made primarily out of steel can be a total loss when it burns.

We aren't talking about the entire thing being a pile of goo on the ground.  We are talking about the windows, the artwork, the relics, and items that are now ashes.  Sure they bones may survive, but in our lifetimes that building will never look like it did yesterday.

That is what makes it a total loss.

[HouWarrior]

Primarily made up of wood and Oak.

Very flammable....the deadly combination of wood and Oak

[StillAWarrior]

Yes, initial reports are it is a "construction accident"

How much would it suck to be the construction worker who burned down Notre Dame?

[Its DJOver]

It'll be immediately restored, but will also never be the same again.  Huge loss.

[Coleman]

Because its not made of just stone.  This is sort of like asking how a building that is made primarily out of steel can be a total loss when it burns.

We aren't talking about the entire thing being a pile of goo on the ground.  We are talking about the windows, the artwork, the relics, and items that are now ashes.  Sure they bones may survive, but in our lifetimes that building will never look like it did yesterday.

That is what makes it a total loss.

Got it. Thanks. It was a sincere question. This helps.

[Not A Serious Person]

The Cathedral is owned by the Government of France.  The Catholic church has a permanent lease and responsible for its upkeep.

So its "landlord" is the French Government.  Presumably, they will shoulder the cost of rebuilding.

Also, the questions about why the Cathedral was allowed to fall in such disrepair (which it was) will fall to the "landlord" again.

[Hards Alumni]

The Cathedral is owned by the Government of France.  The Catholic church has a permanent lease and responsible for its upkeep.

So its "landlord" is the French Government.  Presumably, they will shoulder the cost of rebuilding.

Also, the questions about why the Cathedral was allowed to fall in such disrepair (which it was) will fall to the "landlord" again.

Absolutely true.  I'm not sure placing blame is worth the air it costs to talk about it.  It would be amazing if the entire world would band together to repair and restore this invaluable piece of cultural history.

[mu_hilltopper]

We took the kids to Paris in August.  My wife had a friend who has lived in Paris ~8 years, and she met us at the train station, took us to our hotel, then walked us around.

We got to Notre Dame and she said, "Hey, I used to be a tour guide here, want a tour?"  The line looked long (and it was 95 degrees) but she correctly told us it moved quickly.

She took us all through the church, giving her tour guide spiel, and even got our kids involved and interested.   It was a total gift.

To see the place up in flames today .. heartbreaking.

[Hards Alumni]

Interior ministry officials are saying that they may not be able to save the cathedral at all.

[StillAWarrior]

We took the kids to Paris in August.  My wife had a friend who has lived in Paris ~8 years, and she met us at the train station, took us to our hotel, then walked us around.

We got to Notre Dame and she said, "Hey, I used to be a tour guide here, want a tour?"  The line looked long (and it was 95 degrees) but she correctly told us it moved quickly.

She took us all through the church, giving her tour guide spiel, and even got our kids involved and interested.   It was a total gift.

To see the place up in flames today .. heartbreaking.

This really is just awful.  I've always wanted to see Notre Dame.  And now it's gone.  I know that this is a totally selfish and self-centered take, but I'm just so disappointed that I'll never get to see it.  It's a very strange thing for a landmark that is so famous to just be gone.  It survived revolution and world wars, and now...gone.

[mu_hilltopper]

 
@CBSEveningNews

Among the relics inside Notre Dame Cathedral: "Pieces of the cross they believe that Jesus was crucified on, as well as part of the thorned crown that he had, as well as one of the nails from the crucifixion; their status is unknown right now."


Brutal, brutal.

[Hards Alumni]

@CBSEveningNews

Among the relics inside Notre Dame Cathedral: "Pieces of the cross they believe that Jesus was crucified on, as well as part of the thorned crown that he had, as well as one of the nails from the crucifixion; their status is unknown right now."


Brutal, brutal.

Immeasurable loss.  Eventually, people will realize that this is like if the Louvre were to catch fire.

[tower912]

Feels like The Police's Synchronicity II.  Many mile away a church  burns to the ground.  The symbolism with Marquette basketball.


A huge tragedy.

[dgies9156]

How can a church that is primarily made of stone be a total loss in a fire? Agree with you on the loss of artwork though

Uhhh, McCormick Place, 1967. The unburnable building that burned.

[Coleman]

Looking like the towers and most of the main structures will be safe.

Priority is now saving artwork.

[Hards Alumni]

Looking like the towers and most of the main structures will be safe.

Priority is now saving artwork.

Just saw that as well.  Great news.

[Jockey]

Of course the conspiracy nuts are having a field day.

[GooooMarquette]

So incredibly sad. A truly iconic and beautiful building.

The building will be restored, but it will never be quite the same. I can understand why Parisians are holding vigil near the scene.

[tower912]

Of course the conspiracy nuts are having a field day.

They are conspiracy nuts.   Of course they are having a field day.   

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Crown Thorns are only broken out at Easter too.

I've been there twice but not in a long time:1986 & 1994.

[WarriorDad]

Tragic

[jficke13]

Gutted

[muhoosier260]

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[Coleman]

cue every white girl in America posting pictures from when she studied abroad in Paris for a semester

[Its DJOver]

cue every white girl in America posting pictures from when she studied abroad in Paris for a semester

Gatekeeping who's allowed to mourn the partial loss of one of the most iconic symbols in human history? 

[JWags85]

Gatekeeping who's allowed to mourn the partial loss of one of the most iconic symbols in human history?

Mourning? Sure.  Using it as an excuse to post your selfie tossing up a kissy face with your bestie?  Bit hollow IMO.  Friend of mine posted an IG picture of her in front of Notre Dame with a caption of how her heart was breaking and the memories...less than an hour later had an IG story about Monday Funday happy hour with her coworkers doing shots

[Its DJOver]

Mourning? Sure.  Using it as an excuse to post your selfie tossing up a kissy face with your bestie?  Bit hollow IMO.  Friend of mine posted an IG picture of her in front of Notre Dame with a caption of how her heart was breaking and the memories...less than an hour later had an IG story about Monday Funday happy hour with her coworkers doing shots

Throwing up selfies would be in poor taste, but all the social media stuff I've seen has just been pictures of the facade, rose windows etc. with the captions of how much the building means to the world.   I also have a lot of friends that are really into art/architecture/photography/history so I might not be seeing the full spectrum of whats been posted.

[Coleman]

Most of the stuff I see is just an excuse to tell people how they went to Paris once.

Everyone is allowed to mourn.

[lawdog77]

Most of the stuff I see is just an excuse to tell people how they went to Paris once.

Everyone is allowed to mourn.

mind reader now?To many, it's one of the most important buildings in the world (me included). It's truly a sad day for me. I lived in France for nearly 2 years between college and law school. My heart aches.

[Coleman]

mind reader now?To many, it's one of the most important buildings in the world (me included). It's truly a sad day for me. I lived in France for nearly 2 years between college and law school. My heart aches.

I guess I'm the only one who sees the absolute narcissism everywhere in social media

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I guess I'm the only one who sees the absolute narcissism everywhere in social media

Only if you take a pessimistic view of what they are doing.  Most people are simply sharing an experience with their friends.  No different then sharing photos of a vacation from back in the day, only now you can do it instantly.

[Its DJOver]

The Cathedral is owned by the Government of France.  The Catholic church has a permanent lease and responsible for its upkeep.

So its "landlord" is the French Government.  Presumably, they will shoulder the cost of rebuilding.

Also, the questions about why the Cathedral was allowed to fall in such disrepair (which it was) will fall to the "landlord" again.

Already more than 700 million donated.  I would be surprised if that number finishes under 2 billion.  Finances won't be an issue.

[HouWarrior]

Thoughts and prayers for ND-Paris

Its too soon to talk about laws restricting the ownership of fire,though

#Building'sLivesMatter#

[Hards Alumni]

Already more than 700 million donated.  I would be surprised if that number finishes under 2 billion.  Finances won't be an issue.

Its in pretty stark contrast to what they were able to raise to repair the roof.  Only when a fire starts, and people can see what happens do they open up their purse strings.

Interesting world we live in.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I guess I'm the only one who sees the absolute narcissism everywhere in social media

When I visited Auschwitz, people were taking selfies.  Wtf?

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

When I visited Auschwitz, people were taking selfies.  Wtf?

On my two separate visits I couldn't even bring myself to take a photo inside the gas chamber.  Just couldn't.

[Coleman]

On my two separate visits I couldn't even bring myself to take a photo inside the gas chamber.  Just couldn't.

Yeah we left the camera at the hotel for that entire day trip. It is not that kind of visit.

[JWags85]

mind reader now?To many, it's one of the most important buildings in the world (me included). It's truly a sad day for me. I lived in France for nearly 2 years between college and law school. My heart aches.

No, but they are also same people using the terms "destruction", "burned down", "can't believe its gone".

Literally saw it was burning and used it to chase likes/comments.  I'm sorry for your pain, for the pain of many French, and those who truly have personal connections to it.  Many more do not. 

I was looking through pictures today and felt relief and hope because, save for "The Forest" and the roof, it could have been SOO much worse.  Interior photos were almost startling in how much worse I expected.  The towers, the rose windows, the vast majority of the structure were all spared significant damage.

[StillAWarrior]

No, but they are also same people using the terms "destruction", "burned down", "can't believe its gone".

Literally saw it was burning and used it to chase likes/comments.  I'm sorry for your pain, for the pain of many French, and those who truly have personal connections to it.  Many more do not. 

I was looking through pictures today and felt relief and hope because, save for "The Forest" and the roof, it could have been SOO much worse.  Interior photos were almost startling in how much worse I expected.  The towers, the rose windows, the vast majority of the structure were all spared significant damage.

I was also very happy today to learn that it appears that it will be incorrect to say that "Notre Dame was destroyed by fire."  It was "severely damaged" by a fire, but it hasn't been destroyed.  Like you, I was surprised by how good things looked inside.

[lawdog77]

No, but they are also same people using the terms "destruction", "burned down", "can't believe its gone".

Literally saw it was burning and used it to chase likes/comments.  I'm sorry for your pain, for the pain of many French, and those who truly have personal connections to it.  Many more do not. 

I was looking through pictures today and felt relief and hope because, save for "The Forest" and the roof, it could have been SOO much worse.  Interior photos were almost startling in how much worse I expected.  The towers, the rose windows, the vast majority of the structure were all spared significant damage.

thank you, my friend

[Coleman]

I was also very happy today to learn that it appears that it will be incorrect to say that "Notre Dame was destroyed by fire."  It was "severely damaged" by a fire, but it hasn't been destroyed.  Like you, I was surprised by how good things looked inside.

Once repairs are done (which will be significant, and probably take 5-10 years) it will be impossible to tell the new from the old. It will be exactly as it was. Funding is already pouring in.

The loss of 850 year old timber and the roof/spire is sad, but overall, it could have been much, much worse. The cathedral was not destroyed, not by a long stretch.

[Spotcheck Billy]

https://news.yahoo.com/legendary-notre-dame-roof-astounded-middle-ages-carpenter-193127331.html

^ The timbers took 50 years of "seasoning" before they were even installed circa 1250.

[Macallan 18]

The New York Times describes what happened in a detailed yet concise information graphic using a 3-D model that provides the imagery, and rotation and zooming highlight the relevant points.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/17/world/europe/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-spread.html