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GoldenEagle323

neither will have a bigger role at any one the schools mentioned then they had here besides maybe wisconsin

NickelDimer

Quote from: MU82 on April 15, 2019, 02:04:05 PM
There already are at least a half-dozen threads going on, and probably will be more before I finish this. I'll put this here because it's as good a place as any ...

As many know, I have been one of Wojo's vocal supporters, but there is no doubt that this sets us back considerably, and I don't see how he or his program recovers. As one who usually defended him, I do feel let down; I can't lie about that.

As the "CEO" of his program, Wojo looks weak here, like he has little control over anything. It's a terrible look, and it means he is officially on the clock.

This, combined with the way it ended with the Ellensons, as well as some players earlier in his tenure (Taylor, Carter, Cheatham, Burton, Dawson, etc), even the Froling tweet ... all of it adds up. One can look at each situation and explain it, but coaches are great at negative recruiting, and right now Wojo is an easy mark for them.

"You're really considering Marquette? Have you heard about this? And this? And this and this and this? Do you really want your precious son to play for him?"

Obviously, this Hauser situation is more damning than any of the others -- Wisconsin kids leaving "home" even as the team seemed on the verge of greatness. I don't know how Wojo overcomes this. It's a vicious body-blow to his program.

As for the Hausers ...

I am one who said last week that they had options -- came right out and said they should transfer if they hated it so much -- so I am not going to rip them for doing just that. Nor will I bash them for their shortcomings that were part of our late-season collapse, because they had plenty of company in that department, including Wojo and Markus.

Lastly, as a person in his fifth decade of Marquette fandom, I am a little sad that some of Wojo's detractors seem almost giddy about this. I guess because it validates their opinions about him and lets them revel in their miserableness? 

How wonderful that our program -- one that seemed on the verge of our best season in at least 7 years -- now will probably have yet another long stretch of suckitude.

Congrats, folks ... you "win"!
I have no idea which posts you've read that convey "giddiness". I haven't seen any
No Finish Line

Marqevans

Hope ND or Duke finds a place for them.

MU82

Quote from: NickelDimer on April 15, 2019, 02:12:39 PM
I have no idea which posts you've read that convey "giddiness". I haven't seen any

"giddiness" might be the wrong word. I'll allow for that possibly being true. Unlike some, I won't pick a word (crapshoot) and stick with it even after it's proven to be obviously wrong.

More along the lines of: "OK, Wojo-lovers, are you happy now?" "I told you he sucks." "That's why I wanted him fired already!" etc. So maybe not giddiness that the Hausers are gone, we're gonna be mediocre again, and Wojo has been "exposed."  Validation? Smugness? Bravado? Vindication? Call it what you whatever you want, my friend.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Loose Cannon

Quote from: Benny B on April 15, 2019, 02:06:05 PM
Hate to say it, but Sam & Joey gone makes a little sense of something I saw in Hartford.

Having been on road trips during my college days, there was a certain camaraderie -- at the hotels, at meal time, riding on the bus, etc. -- where we all stuck together, no matter our differences off the ice or back at school.  If we had free time at the hotel - at the very least - the forwards (or each line) kept together, and the defense and goalies would hang together (sometimes together, sometimes separate).  The only exception was when the captains would split off from their respective groups, but nobody stayed behind and nobody went out alone, ever.

Back in Hartford.... later that evening, after the Murray State game, my daughter and I were going back to our room when we ran into several players in the hotel hallway, who were chatting with (presumably) a donor.  They were all together, dejected, but appearing somewhat relieved that the season was over.  Let's put it this way... anyone who's ever seen a competitor have their heart ripped out could plainly see they were all leaning on, and supporting, one another (metaphorically speaking) in their moment of misery.  As we're about to get to the elevator, out comes Theo, who catches up to the rest.  After we get on the elevator, my daughter says, "he's pretty big," and it hits me... they were all bigs, but notably missing from that group was the brothers.

Granted, two different sports, two different eras... but personally, it struck me as odd how - what now turns out to be our entire front court next year - were hanging together sans the brothers. 

Maybe Sam and Joey were doing the family thing with their parents, maybe they were with Todd tending to injuries, who knows.  Just one person's observation that, while innocuous on its own, may now add a little color in the grand scheme in retrospect.

I tend to agree with your conclusion.
" Love is Space and Time measured by the Heart. "  M Proust

JWags85

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Quote from: MU82 on April 15, 2019, 02:18:51 PM
"giddiness" might be the wrong word. I'll allow for that possibly being true. Unlike some, I won't pick a word (crapshoot) and stick with it even after it's proven to be obviously wrong.

More along the lines of: "OK, Wojo-lovers, are you happy now?" "I told you he sucks." "That's why I wanted him fired already!" etc. So maybe not giddiness that the Hausers are gone, we're gonna be mediocre again, and Wojo has been "exposed."  Validation? Smugness? Bravado? Vindication? Call it what you whatever you want, my friend.

How about this. You haven't been feeling well. You think you have a condition/sickness/virus contributing to it. Others say you're fine and you're being dramatic or a hypochondriac. You go to a specialist and it turns out you have what you feared was plaguing you. You're not happy or giddy, but you're confirmed and vindicated in your thinking. And better yet, now you can truly move forwarding in fixing/healing the problem.

I've never been a Wojo hater. But it's been a LONG time since I've seen the wheels come off a team I love like that. And when everything should be peaking, it just seemed odd and off. This just further confirms it. I thought Wojo was a dynamite recruiter and a very lacking coach. This shows that he's lacking in coaching ability beyond just Xs and Os

GoldenEagle323


Lennys Tap

Quote from: THEbig0 on April 15, 2019, 02:06:20 PM
Sam has to sit out a year, thought he'd be a grad transfer for sure in this case.

It just doesn't make sense for a guy the announcers thought would be an NBA player to sit out another year before trying to get paid. Just for what...more attention? Higher pick?  Probably not for a better team.  To wait to play with his brother when they are older and have a chance to really  make a name for themselves as a duo?  Don't get it.

People keep saying "It doesn't make sense!" and everyone nods in agreement. Well, it doesn't make sense if the Hausers were a little unhappy. Hell, it doesn't even make sense if they were a lot unhappy. It only makes sense if they were "The thought of having to do this again with these people makes me physically ill" unhappy. 

Either the Hausers are an incredibly arrogant and selfish family or Wojo screwed up badly. My guess is the latter. Anyway, I guess we can put to rest those reports from the banquet about how happy the Hausers were and how excited they were for the coming season. And some here owe apologies to Crash, onepost and others (the entire "under board") who saw this coming.

Bad_Reporter

Where's wades?  Can't tell anyone anything on here without getting crucified. 

Is it a big shocker? Markus chucks the ball, and the offense goes stagnant 90% of the time

MU82

Quote from: JWags85 on April 15, 2019, 02:24:38 PM
How about this. You haven't been feeling well. You think you have a condition/sickness/virus contributing to it. Others say you're fine and you're being dramatic or a hypochondriac. You go to a specialist and it turns out you have what you feared was plaguing you. You're not happy or giddy, but you're confirmed and vindicated in your thinking. And better yet, now you can truly move forwarding in fixing/healing the problem.

I've never been a Wojo hater. But it's been a LONG time since I've seen the wheels come off a team I love that. And when everything should be peaking, it just seemed odd and off. This just further confirms it. I thought Wojo was a dynamite recruiter and a very lacking coach. This shows that he's lacking in coaching ability beyond just Xs and Os

Thanks for posting this. Makes a lot of sense.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

4everwarriors

5 years to judge is just a little too long to judge. Writing was on the wall early on. Completely out of his league.  Still don't know what Wojo did for all those years sitting next to K.
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

SERocks

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Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 15, 2019, 02:32:49 PM
5 years to judge is just a little too long to judge. Writing was on the wall early on. Completely out of his league.  Still don't know what Wojo did for all those years sitting next to K.

Head flusher?  Oh wait....that is a different coach...

VegasWarrior77

John Fanta
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Hearing that Virginia is a potential frontrunner in the race to get the Hauser Brothers. These are a pair of high-level players in the portal.

10:45 AM - 15 Apr 2019
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein

connie

Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 15, 2019, 02:26:53 PM
People keep saying "It doesn't make sense!" and everyone nods in agreement. Well, it doesn't make sense if the Hausers were a little unhappy. Hell, it doesn't even make sense if they were a lot unhappy. It only makes sense if they were "The thought of having to do this again with these people makes me physically ill" unhappy. 

Either the Hausers are an incredibly arrogant and selfish family or Wojo screwed up badly. My guess is the latter. Anyway, I guess we can put to rest those reports from the banquet about how happy the Hausers were and how excited they were for the coming season. And some here owe apologies to Crash, onepost and others (the entire "under board") who saw this coming.
While I will never put it past someone (or two) to go off on nothing, the odds just don't work.  this has to be an epic-level f---up.
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything Kent.  40% of all people know that."  HJS

Markusquette

With the Virginia news coming to the forefront, what are the chances their thoughts were made up just within the last couple weeks? After a disappointing end to the year and early exit to the tournament, I have to imagine they're watching some programs throughout the tournament and envision themselves fitting in with. Who thinks their minds were made up well before we heard Markus was returning? Feel like it happened more recently and his decision to return was the most recent catalyst.

LAZER

Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 15, 2019, 02:26:53 PM
People keep saying "It doesn't make sense!" and everyone nods in agreement. Well, it doesn't make sense if the Hausers were a little unhappy. Hell, it doesn't even make sense if they were a lot unhappy. It only makes sense if they were "The thought of having to do this again with these people makes me physically ill" unhappy. 

Either the Hausers are an incredibly arrogant and selfish family or Wojo screwed up badly. My guess is the latter. Anyway, I guess we can put to rest those reports from the banquet about how happy the Hausers were and how excited they were for the coming season. And some here owe apologies to Crash, onepost and others (the entire "under board") who saw this coming.
Seems like former AND latter to me.

fjm

Quote from: Markusquette on April 15, 2019, 02:44:46 PM
With the Virginia news coming to the forefront, what are the chances their thoughts were made up just within the last couple weeks? After a disappointing end to the year and early exit to the tournament, I have to imagine they're watching some programs throughout the tournament and envision themselves fitting in with. Who thinks their minds were made up well before we heard Markus was returning? Feel like it happened more recently and his decision to return was the most recent catalyst.

Agreed. 3 days after Markus saying he was staying. Not a coincidence.

TheREALwrk

Now that this shitstorm is past its peak...

What's with the major amount of hate that people get when they come to the board with "insider" information? Isn't that what this board is all about? Us plebs coming to share knowledge about the program with each other?

The crucifixions that happen when someone is "wrong" about something on this board are incredible. "Wrong" is in parentheses because you can't be "wrong" when sharing a rumor they heard.

Guess I'll keep everything to myself from now on. Sheesh.

Wahoo85


rocky_warrior

Quote from: TheREALwrk on April 15, 2019, 02:54:28 PM
What's with the major amount of hate that people get when they come to the board with "insider" information? Isn't that what this board is all about? Us plebs coming to share knowledge about the program with each other?

Ignore them.  Thanks for the scoop.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 15, 2019, 02:32:49 PM
5 years to judge is just a little too long to judge. Writing was on the wall early on. Completely out of his league.  Still don't know what Wojo did for all those years sitting next to K.

What every former Duke player turned assistant does: sit back while McDonald's AA's on their do their thing then K dominates in the huddle.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

The Sultan

Quote from: Markusquette on April 15, 2019, 02:44:46 PM
With the Virginia news coming to the forefront, what are the chances their thoughts were made up just within the last couple weeks? After a disappointing end to the year and early exit to the tournament, I have to imagine they're watching some programs throughout the tournament and envision themselves fitting in with. Who thinks their minds were made up well before we heard Markus was returning? Feel like it happened more recently and his decision to return was the most recent catalyst.


UVA was Sam's other finalist when he chose Marquette.  I most certainly believe that both he and Joey saw what they did and thought they could be a part of that.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

NickelDimer

Quote from: JWags85 on April 15, 2019, 02:24:38 PM
How about this. You haven't been feeling well. You think you have a condition/sickness/virus contributing to it. Others say you're fine and you're being dramatic or a hypochondriac. You go to a specialist and it turns out you have what you feared was plaguing you. You're not happy or giddy, but you're confirmed and vindicated in your thinking. And better yet, now you can truly move forwarding in fixing/healing the problem.

I've never been a Wojo hater. But it's been a LONG time since I've seen the wheels come off a team I love like that. And when everything should be peaking, it just seemed odd and off. This just further confirms it. I thought Wojo was a dynamite recruiter and a very lacking coach. This shows that he's lacking in coaching ability beyond just Xs and Os
That's a pretty good analogy. And like in that instance you're sure as hell not happy you were right. No one's feeling happy they right about Wojo not being the long term answer. All MU fans who doubted Wojo wanted nothing more than to be completely wrong.
No Finish Line

JWags85

Quote from: TheREALwrk on April 15, 2019, 02:54:28 PM
Now that this crapstorm is past its peak...

What's with the major amount of hate that people get when they come to the board with "insider" information? Isn't that what this board is all about? Us plebs coming to share knowledge about the program with each other?

The crucifixions that happen when someone is "wrong" about something on this board are incredible. "Wrong" is in parentheses because you can't be "wrong" when sharing a rumor they heard.

Guess I'll keep everything to myself from now on. Sheesh.

Scoops are always appreciated.  But when you come speaking definitively and certainly, it better be right or people are going to be annoyed.  Thats why I chirped you.  You touted your Vander inside info and then were dead wrong about Markus and said "welp I guess he changed his mind".  Then again spoke definitively about where the Hausers were going an hour after they announced they were leaving.  Happy to eat crow if you're right, quote me on it.  But if you're passing off information or rumblings as cold hard fact, don't get your feathers ruffled if people throw shade when you're incorrect, thats all.

TheREALwrk

Quote from: JWags85 on April 15, 2019, 03:22:15 PM
Scoops are always appreciated.  But when you come speaking definitively and certainly, it better be right or people are going to be annoyed.  Thats why I chirped you.  You touted your Vander inside info and then were dead wrong about Markus and said "welp I guess he changed his mind".  Then again spoke definitively about where the Hausers were going an hour after they announced they were leaving.  Happy to eat crow if you're right, quote me on it.  But if you're passing off information or rumblings as cold hard fact, don't get your feathers ruffled if people throw shade when you're incorrect, thats all.

I take everything on this board with a grain of salt.

I strictly pass on information I hear. Take it with a grain of salt. I shouldn't speak definitively. My bad.

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