Iowa's Gary Dolphin Suspended For Rest Of The Year

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

No problem as long as they're acknowledged as such. Making up stuff and saying it's fact because if it were it would drive home a good point? Not a fan.

In this conversation, no one presented the story as fact. I acknowledged that I didn't know if the story was true or not. I have no idea if the professor presented it as fact or a parable because it happened 10 years ago. But you are right Lenny, if the professor presented it as fact, that would be bad.

I don't know. If there are true stories that bear out his point I suppose I do. But when it comes to economics I'm leery of guys who make up stories and tell them as facts to make a point.

We are not talking about economics here. We are talking about whether or not a radio announcer should be suspended for unintentionally making an offensive comment. I say we are accountable for our actions if we didn't intend to cause harm. I gave the parable of the Chevy Nova and I also gave a true story of being accountable for a car accident even if we didn't intend to cause the accident as ways to illustrate this point. What about you? What do you think of Mr. Dolphin's situation?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Is this racist?

To some yes. To others no. Reasonable people will disagree.

[StillAWarrior]

To some yes. To others no. Reasonable people will disagree.

Respectfully, TAMU, I think your response illustrates my belief that some confuse "racist" with "offensive."  In my opinion, it either is racist or it is not.  I don't think racism gets to be in the eye of the beholder.  On the other hand, it absolutely is offensive to some, but not to others.  Reasonable people will disagree.

[Cheeks]

Ever the victim.

Pointing out the hypocrisy doesn’t make one a victim.  Reasonable question that people cannot seem to answer, so their responses become “ever the victim”, or worse...racist / genderist / ageist comments tied to the race, gender, age of the person making the comments....the irony and hypocrisy so thick and totally disregarded by those that make the comments.

[Cheeks]

Walk around your neighborhood in Chicago, let us know how it goes.  Because I am sure you are right, you clearly know what is and isn't racist much better than black people do.

What if he walks around at 2:00am in Chicago on his way to a Subway restaurant.....

[Cheeks]

No one disputes this. But just because that's what he meant, doesn't mean it was appropriate for the reasons stated earlier.


No one speaks for their race.

The same is true for gender, too....right?  So ridiculous comments like #believeALLwomen should never be embraced, it’s a bumper sticker saying but somehow became more than that.....ALL....literally ALL.....just want to make sure there is consistency here because as I have pointed out how little there is (and labeled a victim for pointing it out)

[Cheeks]

Respectfully, TAMU, I think your response illustrates my belief that some confuse "racist" with "offensive."  In my opinion, it either is racist or it is not.  I don't think racism gets to be in the eye of the beholder.  On the other hand, it absolutely is offensive to some, but not to others.  Reasonable people will disagree.

My God, a rational response and common sense!!!! 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

The same is true for gender, too....right?  So ridiculous comments like #believeALLwomen should never be embraced, it’s a bumper sticker saying but somehow became more than that.....ALL....literally ALL.....just want to make sure there is consistency here because as I have pointed out how little there is (and labeled a victim for pointing it out)

Of course. The problem is you seem to be the type of guy who always points out the minority of cases where discrimination/harrassment is shown to be made up instead of being concerned about the majority of cases where it is a serious problem. That is why people label you a victim.

What if he walks around at 2:00am in Chicago on his way to a Subway restaurant.....

Case in point...

[Cheeks]

This whole thread is driving some people ApeSh!t  it appears. 


Someone somewhere will always be offended by something.  Today more than ever.  Some things rise to the level of near universal offensive nature, while others do not....but all too often now we treat them equal in nature.  Sorry, I disagree....reasonable people can do that.

Good day

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Respectfully, TAMU, I think your response illustrates my belief that some confuse "racist" with "offensive."  In my opinion, it either is racist or it is not.  I don't think racism gets to be in the eye of the beholder.  On the other hand, it absolutely is offensive to some, but not to others.  Reasonable people will disagree.

To me, racist is just a specific type of offensive. All racist things are offensive, but not all offensive things are racist.

I don't think you can make racism into a binary. It is a spectrum. Some things are more (or less) racist than others. Otherwise who gets to decide what is racist? Because I think I am a reasonable person. I also think my grandfather was a reasonable person. We would have very different opinions on what was and wasn't racist.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

My God, a rational response and common sense!!!!

Cheeks, I think I have tried to give a reasonable and common sense argument without flaming or insulting anyone.  I believe that we should be accountable for our actions even if we did not intend to harm anyone with our actions. I have given the Chevy Nova parable and the fact that we hold someone accountable for a car accident even if they didn't intend to cause the accident to illustrate my point. I have asked for your thoughts a couple of times. Do you agree that we are accountable for our actions regardless of intent? Disagree? See it differently?

[Pakuni]

Pointing out the hypocrisy doesn’t make one a victim.  Reasonable question that people cannot seem to answer, so their responses become “ever the victim”, or worse...racist / genderist / ageist comments tied to the race, gender, age of the person making the comments....the irony and hypocrisy so thick and totally disregarded by those that make the comments.

Still playing the victim.

[WarriorDad]

Comparing a black man to a monkey? I think most would agree that falls on the spectrum of racism. Now that doesn't make Dolphin a racist, just a person who said something racist. Everyone has said, done, or thought racist things at some point in their life. Unfortunately for Dolphin, he made a mistake in a very public way.

In my view, he compared him to a powerful, mythological creature that has never existed.  He would have been better off saying Godzilla or the Jolly Green Giant.

I'm old, and white, but that is my opinion.

[Pakuni]

Of course. The problem is you seem to be the type of guy who always points out the minority of cases where discrimination/harrassment is shown to be made up instead of being concerned about the majority of cases where it is a serious problem. That is why people label you a victim.


Case in point...

Jussie Smullet is the new 'Duke Lacrosse,' i.e. the rare false allegation used by some as an excuse to dismiss all allegations.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Jussie Smullet is the new 'Duke Lacrosse,' i.e. the rare false allegation used by some as an excuse to dismiss all allegations.

Duke LAX wasn't even a false allegation. It could have been but we don't know. Duke LAX was an example of gross negligence and misconduct by a prosecutor.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

In my view, he compared him to a powerful, mythological creature that has never existed.  He would have been better off saying Godzilla or the Jolly Green Giant.

I'm old, and white, but that is my opinion.

I think that is a reasonable interpretation. I think it is also a reasonable interpretation that he compared him to the world's most famous gorilla.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Duke LAX wasn't even a false allegation. It could have been but we don't know. Duke LAX was an example of gross negligence and misconduct by a prosecutor.

I suggest you watch this ESPN 30 for 30 if you haven't. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vogue.com/article/fantastic-lies-espn-30-for-30-duke-lacrosse-case/amp

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I suggest you watch this ESPN 30 for 30 if you haven't. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vogue.com/article/fantastic-lies-espn-30-for-30-duke-lacrosse-case/amp

I have. Mike Nifong is a terrible person who was justly disbarred, lost his job, and went to prison (for a day). That doesn't mean that something terrible didn't happen at that house.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I have. Mike Nifong is a terrible person who was justly disbarred, lost his job, and went to prison (for a day). That doesn't mean that something terrible didn't happen at that house.

What is your definition of "terrible"? If your comment is about a crime then you didn't watch very well then. Not one piece of evidence or testimony supported the crime as it was charged and the accuser recanted her testimony.

Is it a sad story? Yes, all the way around.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What is your definition of "terrible"? If your comment is about a crime then you didn't watch very well then. Not one piece of evidence or testimony supported the crime as it was charged and the accuser recanted her testimony.

Is it a sad story? Yes, all the way around.

Mike Nifong was the prosecutor. He was the terrible person.

[Jockey]

In my view, he compared him to a powerful, mythological creature that has never existed.  He would have been better off saying Godzilla or the Jolly Green Giant.

From Africa.

Who was put in chains and taken to America.

Who was obsessed with a white women 

Who was considered a beast.

Have I missed any stereotypes here that the movie presented.

Oh..... who was captured and put in chains by white men to make them rich.

To Keefe, though, that is showing Kong as a majestic hero.

[CTWarrior]

From Africa.

Skull Island is supposed to be off the coast of Indonesia, which makes it part of Asia or Oceania, depending on your preference.  So maybe Yao Ming or Harry Froling should be offended by being called King Kong?

The point is well considered that even if the comment was innocent, Dolphin should know better.

[Jockey]

Skull Island is supposed to be off the coast of Indonesia, which makes it part of Asia or Oceania, depending on your preference.  So maybe Yao Ming or Harry Froling should be offended by being called King Kong?

The point is well considered that even if the comment was innocent, Dolphin should know better.

Thank you for the correction.

[Cheeks]

Of course. The problem is you seem to be the type of guy who always points out the minority of cases where discrimination/harrassment is shown to be made up instead of being concerned about the majority of cases where it is a serious problem. That is why people label you a victim.


Case in point...

Because people’s lives were ruined.  FakeHoaxCrines has a long list already.  And with media going to town on these things, you damn well right I will point them out.  We have the media and half of society wanting outcomes to justify their thought processes, when they turn out to be hoaxes or untrue, you damn well right I will and of the media had an ounce of accountability they would report the same way the fraud as they do the work up to conviction that they pass to the American people.

There are actually people that want to let the actor off with a warning, this is how much DS is going on these days.

I’m sorry, but for the same reason I say go after the big fish who cheat taxpayers, go after small ones too.  Same for people that are truly communizing crimes, I would say those that pull these hoaxes should get double punishment because of what it does to legit cases. 

[Not A Serious Person]

To me, racist is just a specific type of offensive. All racist things are offensive, but not all offensive things are racist.

I don't think you can make racism into a binary. It is a spectrum. Some things are more (or less) racist than others. Otherwise who gets to decide what is racist? Because I think I am a reasonable person. I also think my grandfather was a reasonable person. We would have very different opinions on what was and wasn't racist.

+1

I (sincerely) have found this thread enlightening.  So how is this ...

King Kong is offensive to many.  And, as a professional communicator (a good Pakuni term), Dolphin should have known it could be offensive to many and avoided it.

But to punish him as a racist is too much.  His intent was not to be racist.  He should be called out and embarrassed for being a poor communicator (his job!) but not banned like the local president of the KKK.