Congrats to Chicago and Illinois!

[Not A Serious Person]

Chicago is most corrupt big city, Illinois third most corrupt state in country, study finds

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-is-most-corrupt-big-city-illinois-third-most-corrupt-state-in-country-study-finds

Chicago may be known as the "Second City," but it remains Number 1 in the ranking of most corrupt big cities in the nation, according to a new report.

The report, titled "Corruption in Chicago and Illinois," released Monday from the University of Illinois at Chicago notes that while there's been a decline in recent years of federal convictions for public corruption, the Windy City still leads other localities.

[tower912]

In before the inevitable lock.   

[GooooMarquette]

We're being Rickrolled this morning, eh?

[Pakuni]

Counterpoint:

Weeks after Chicago claimed the crown for most breweries in the nation, the news gets even better: Illinois is home to some of the cheapest beer prices in the U.S.

https://herald-review.com/lifestyles/food-and-cooking/land-of-drinkin-illinois-has-nation-s-cheapest-beer-prices/article_15fe384d-3be9-5e56-8ace-fd94d7b2cbdb.html

[Galway Eagle]

Sure post this but not any of these

https://chicago.curbed.com/2018/10/9/17955576/chicago-best-big-city-second-year-conde-naste

https://patch.com/illinois/chicago/chicago-ranked-among-best-big-us-cities-live

[Benny B]

While I would immediately question the methodology based on the source URL, would anyone honestly be surprised by this?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Sure post this but not any of these

https://chicago.curbed.com/2018/10/9/17955576/chicago-best-big-city-second-year-conde-naste

https://patch.com/illinois/chicago/chicago-ranked-among-best-big-us-cities-live

Those don't fit Heisy's narrative, duh.

[Cheeks]

Illinois exodus 313 residents per day, second most in the nation on,y to New York.  Three of the five destination states for Illinoisans are other midwestern states.

Someone better convince these folks with these other platitudes they should be staying.  I’m going to guess pocketbook issues and opportunities, and for some it is climate.

[mu_hilltopper]

I (skimmed) the source article.  I get it .. there are x% of people in the Chicago area that are in governmental positions that do bad things / are corrupt.  That x% is higher than other US cities.

I think Mexico (et al) would read that article and say "Hold my beer" by a factor of a million.

[Jon]

The real problem with Chicago is that the weather sucks.

[Pakuni]

If people really want to examine why Illinois is losing population - and most don't, because it wouldn't fit their predetermined narrative - they'd learn that it's way more complicated than the "taxes and corruption" crowd want to believe.

https://www.sj-r.com/news/20180607/illinois-population-is-falling-but-its-not-all-due-to-taxes

[Cheeks]

If people really want to examine why Illinois is losing population - and most don't, because it wouldn't fit their predetermined narrative - they'd learn that it's way more complicated than the "taxes and corruption" crowd want to believe.

https://www.sj-r.com/news/20180607/illinois-population-is-falling-but-its-not-all-due-to-taxes

Of course, but of the five states losing the most population, all have one thing in common......and it isn’t climate.

[Jon]

No one articulated the angst of coming of age in suburban Chicago better than teen movie auteur John Hughes. Hughes celebrated the shallowness of middle-to-upper middle class life in Chicago's suburbs with a particular emphasis on the outcasts, freaks, geeks, and mouth breathing off spring of accountants, sales reps, and tax attorneys.

If Vegas had the Rat Pack Chicago had the Brat Pack; the yawning chasm from hip to nerd was never more apparent.

But I give Hughes great credit: who else could have made Judd Nelson such a painfully self-aware thug or a pasty faced Molly Ringwald into the  object of carnal desire for a generation of pimple-faced teen males?

 

[MU82]

If people really want to examine why Illinois is losing population - and most don't, because it wouldn't fit their predetermined narrative - they'd learn that it's way more complicated than the "taxes and corruption" crowd want to believe.

https://www.sj-r.com/news/20180607/illinois-population-is-falling-but-its-not-all-due-to-taxes

Oh silly, Pakuni. How dare you inject facts and nuance into any discussion. Shame on you!

[Pakuni]

Of course, but of the five states losing the most population, all have one thing in common......and it isn’t climate.

What do New York, Illinois, West Virginia, Louisiana and Hawaii all have in common?

[Cheeks]

Oh silly, Pakuni. How dare you inject facts and nuance into any discussion. Shame on you!

Facts....an awful lot of opinions in there....or “spin” is what I am to,d today where facts are used in a limited fashion...I am told

Meanwhile, how is your situation in North Carolina vs Illinois, your former stomping grounds?   

Survey after survey shown that people leaving these states are damn happy they did.

[Cheeks]

What do New York, Illinois, West Virginia, Louisiana and Hawaii all have in common?

Wrong list...states that lost the most people

New York
Illinois
California
Connecticut
New Jersey

[MU82]

Facts....an awful lot of opinions in there....or “spin” is what I am to,d today where facts are used in a limited fashion...I am told

Meanwhile, how is your situation in North Carolina vs Illinois, your former stomping grounds?   

Survey after survey shown that people leaving these states are damn happy they did.

I believe NC is one of the fastest-growing states. I know Charlotte is one of the fastest-growing cities in the country, gaining something like 60 new residents a day.

Folks arrive for the relatively lower cost of living, the weather, the younger vibe, etc. They don't seem to mind the often overt racism, a problem that is growing, and the segregated schools (maybe some even choose this area because of it). And they don't seem to know (and almost surely don't care) that we are the only district in the country that still hasn't certified a U.S. House district race from the midterms because the winner hired an operative who committed fraud; only the latest example of the rampant corruption here.

I can't compare it to Illinois because I haven't lived there for 8 1/2 years and I don't follow my former state's doings closely. Unlike some, I don't pretend to be an expert on everything. But based on the little bit I've read, it seems the problems are overblown by those with agendas.

Thanks for asking, chicos. Have a nice day.

[Pakuni]

Wrong list...states that lost the most people

New York
Illinois
California
Connecticut
New Jersey

Not sure where you're getting your data, but this is the latest from the Census Bureau. Seems like the data doesn't want to fit your effort to spin things politically.

[Cheeks]

Where are volumes of peeps leaving, where are volumes of peeps moving to?

Interesting stuff....my wife and I have been looking at it all last three years with plenty of help.  We will be joining the mass exodus from Calif and going to one of the top 5 net gainers.....and the number one reason is pretty damn simple, same reason many are using.  Quality of life / cost.

[MU82]

Not sure where you're getting your data, but this is the latest from the Census Bureau. Seems like the data doesn't want to fit your effort to spin things politically.

Thanks again for providing actual facts, Pakuni.

West Virginia leads in percentage leaving -- a percentage higher than NY and Ill combined -- and 3 of the top 6 on the list for total departures are Southern states. Extremely interesting, and I admit a little surprising if for no other reason than cost-of-living.

[tower912]

Young people and opportunities for some of the the southern states.   Where is the economic opportunity in WV?   In Wyoming?   In Alaska?      As far as leaving Illinois and New York, I wonder how many of those leaving are retirees who have had enough winters.    I always laughed at 'snowbirds'.   Until the polar vortex of 2014.     I retire in 4 years, my wife in 13.    But for the first time, we discuss whether we would rather spend a summer being way too hot in exchange for not having to shovel.    The virtue of having a single wide near the gulf coast for 3 months out of the year.    And all because her circulation is getting worse and the cold affects her more than it used to.    Aging.       
   So, extrapolating, how many of those leaving Illinois and New York are just tired of being cold and are choosing not shoveling?

[StillAWarrior]

NM

[Cheeks]

Not sure where you're getting your data, but this is the latest from the Census Bureau. Seems like the data doesn't want to fit your effort to spin things politically.

Journalists....they’re so good with data

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwidxbayoMjgAhVSFzQIHR_1Aa4QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizjournals.com%2Fnewyork%2Fnews%2F2018%2F05%2F25%2Fnew-york-ranks-no-1-in-losing-residents-to-other.html&psig=AOvVaw0emecT6har3K0tLHulptT7&ust=1550681368767153

[Pakuni]

Journalists....they’re so good with data

I'm not sure what your point here is. I'm not going to sign up for a website to read the full article you linked, but its headline seems to agree with the Census Bureau.
Sorry, you had bad data and can't spin this the way you want.
The real data just validates what I said earlier, there are numerous and complicated factors that go into population growth and decline. But as the data shows, we have blue states and red states. Warm climates and cold. East Coast and Midwest and Deep South and even off continent.
Surely frustating to those who wish to simplify something complex to make a political point.