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Seth Davis: Behind Enemy Lines

Started by TallTitan34, February 11, 2019, 11:06:06 AM

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TallTitan34

Seth Davis interviews coaches throughout college basketball who give their anonymous opinions on other conference teams.

The jist of the Marquette paragraph is they are better on defense but not great.  Markus and Hausers are defensive liabilities.  Sam is versatile but isn't an elite athlete.  Teams should attack Markus on defense.  Unsure if can score on interior enough to be a Final Four team.

Any guesses on what coaches said what?

https://theathletic.com/810685/2019/02/11/hoop-thoughts-no-coachspeak-allowed-lets-go-behind-enemy-lines-to-hear-the-truth-on-the-top-teams/

As others have mentioned, The Athletic is a great purchase for all your favorite sports teams.  Highly recommended.

Galway Eagle

Has this site become an ad for the Atlantic? What happened to the days of posting stuff behind pay walls?
Maigh Eo for Sam

BCHoopster

Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 11, 2019, 11:06:06 AM
Seth Davis interviews coaches throughout college basketball who give their anonymous opinions on other conference teams.

The jist of the Marquette paragraph is they are better on defense but not great.  Markus and Hausers are defensive liabilities.  Sam is versatile but isn't an elite athlete.  Teams should attack Markus on defense.  Unsure if can score on interior enough to be a Final Four team.

Any guesses on what coaches said what?

https://theathletic.com/810685/2019/02/11/hoop-thoughts-no-coachspeak-allowed-lets-go-behind-enemy-lines-to-hear-the-truth-on-the-top-teams/

As others have mentioned, The Athletic is a great purchase for all your favorite sports teams.  Highly recommended.

Nor is Joey an elite athlete.  That is why I ma hoping MU can bring in an elite type athlete who is a grad transfer.  Does not have to be a scorer, just somebody who
could defend a Pascall type player.

Benny B

These type of articles always strike me as an "Ask Abby" type of column, i.e. there might be a few genuine tidbits here and there, but 90% is the author making it up and attrubuting it elsewhere by putting it behind the "anonymous" curtain. 
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 08, 2015, 07:10:33 PM
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

MuMark

Quote from: Benny B on February 11, 2019, 11:12:44 AM
These type of articles always strike me as an "Ask Abby" type of column, i.e. there might be a few genuine tidbits here and there, but 90% is the author making it up and attrubuting it elsewhere by putting it behind the "anonymous" curtain.

I disagree with this take.......i think its pretty accurate but they could have been more balanced.....i mean we did somehow manage to go 20-4.......how about a little more info on what makes MU tough to beat?

PuertoRicanNightmare

Marquette: "They've gotten better defensively, but they're never going to be great. Their best players are Markus Howard and the Hauser brothers, but all those guys are defensive liabilities. Sam Hauser's strength is his versatility. He's not laterally fast, and he's not an elite athlete. When it comes to tournament time, teams put bodies on people to make them pay for lack of foot speed. You can really go after Howard on defense. He's not six feet, and his body is not chiseled. He is tough to guard, though. He knows how to create space and keep you off balance. Theo John is a basket protector. He cleans up a lot of stuff, but offensively he doesn't demand the ball a lot. I don't know if they can score on the interior enough to be a Final Four team."

TheGym

Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 11, 2019, 11:06:06 AM
Seth Davis interviews coaches throughout college basketball who give their anonymous opinions on other conference teams.

The jist of the Marquette paragraph is they are better on defense but not great.  Markus and Hausers are defensive liabilities.  Sam is versatile but isn't an elite athlete.  Teams should attack Markus on defense.  Unsure if can score on interior enough to be a Final Four team.

Any guesses on what coaches said what?

https://theathletic.com/810685/2019/02/11/hoop-thoughts-no-coachspeak-allowed-lets-go-behind-enemy-lines-to-hear-the-truth-on-the-top-teams/

As others have mentioned, The Athletic is a great purchase for all your favorite sports teams.  Highly recommended.

Joey is definitely not a good defender.  However, Sam holds his own and played well on Saturday against a Paschall.  Paschall got his 17, but Sam made him work for it.

MuMark

Quote from: TheGym on February 11, 2019, 11:30:44 AM
Joey is definitely not a good defender.  However, Sam holds his own and played well on Saturday against a Paschall.  Paschall got his 17, but Sam made him work for it.

agreed......Paschall is just a tough cover for anyone....so strong and can get his shot off against just about anyone.

Jon

I wouldn't pay for that site. If I want uninformed opinion I can read Scoop.

muguru

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 11, 2019, 11:25:36 AM
Marquette: "They've gotten better defensively, but they're never going to be great. Their best players are Markus Howard and the Hauser brothers, but all those guys are defensive liabilities. Sam Hauser's strength is his versatility. He's not laterally fast, and he's not an elite athlete. When it comes to tournament time, teams put bodies on people to make them pay for lack of foot speed. You can really go after Howard on defense. He's not six feet, and his body is not chiseled. He is tough to guard, though. He knows how to create space and keep you off balance. Theo John is a basket protector. He cleans up a lot of stuff, but offensively he doesn't demand the ball a lot. I don't know if they can score on the interior enough to be a Final Four team."

This is my one qualm about Theo..damn if he had any offense, this team would be close to unstoppable. On nights like SJU when the shots weren't falling, how nice would it be to have a big down low that you could dump it down to and it'd be almost a guaranteed 2 points??
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GB Warrior

Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 11, 2019, 11:06:06 AM
Seth Davis interviews coaches throughout college basketball who give their anonymous opinions on other conference teams.

The jist of the Marquette paragraph is they are better on defense but not great.  Markus and Hausers are defensive liabilities.  Sam is versatile but isn't an elite athlete.  Teams should attack Markus on defense.  Unsure if can score on interior enough to be a Final Four team.

Any guesses on what coaches said what?

https://theathletic.com/810685/2019/02/11/hoop-thoughts-no-coachspeak-allowed-lets-go-behind-enemy-lines-to-hear-the-truth-on-the-top-teams/

As others have mentioned, The Athletic is a great purchase for all your favorite sports teams.  Highly recommended.

Not a subscriber, but hard to disagree with what you summarized here. Wouldn't go so far as to call the Hausers' defense a liability, but they (esp. Sam) suffer from a lack of lateral quickness. Fundamentally sound, though.

And they're dead on re: Sam's overall profile. Solid, steady as she goes, but hasn't shown a consistent ability to take over games game-in and game-out. He definitely did with MH hurting, and he should be commended for this. But overall, this is definitely not Star 1A and Star 1B between Markus and Sam as many of us had hoped for.

Edit: Saw you thieves posted it  8-) . I stand by my story.

MuMark

appreciate what you have.......life is more fun that way.

tower912

Neither Sam nor Joey have great lateral quickness.    It shows on defense and when they try to beat their defender in a straight line off of the dribble.    Markus is improved defensively and works hard, but is still 5'11 with a 6' arm span.    Neither Theo nor Ed are going to win games with their post offense.    I really don't disagree with the critiques of the team.
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MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 11, 2019, 11:11:33 AM
Has this site become an ad for the Atlantic? What happened to the days of posting stuff behind pay walls?

At the quick glance I always confuse The Atlantic with The Athletic.

CTWarrior

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 11, 2019, 11:25:36 AM
Marquette: "They've gotten better defensively, but they're never going to be great. Their best players are Markus Howard and the Hauser brothers, but all those guys are defensive liabilities. Sam Hauser's strength is his versatility. He's not laterally fast, and he's not an elite athlete. When it comes to tournament time, teams put bodies on people to make them pay for lack of foot speed. You can really go after Howard on defense. He's not six feet, and his body is not chiseled. He is tough to guard, though. He knows how to create space and keep you off balance. Theo John is a basket protector. He cleans up a lot of stuff, but offensively he doesn't demand the ball a lot. I don't know if they can score on the interior enough to be a Final Four team."
Funny, the first thing I went to in that article was the MU, which was probably the only one I did not need to see since I've watched all the games this year.  I think the author is pretty much right on.  I wonder how many teams are going to play us like Villanova moving forward.  Basically offer some help on Howard, but not with either of the Hauser's man. 
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

ChitownSpaceForRent

"He is tough to guard though."

Understatement of the century...

Mr. Sand-Knit

I think that assesment whether it be from the author alone or from other coaches is really about dead spot on. 
Theo is solid on defense but is still pretty weak offensively.  Additionally, he is rather poor at the line.  His two bricks at crunch time were essentially a turnover.
Despite our shortcomings we seem to make it work as a team.  Team has been great to watch and is a great source of pride for all associated with Marquette.  We will see how long we can make this last but as we all most likely know at some point we will run into a equally skilled, yet more athletic team, and that will be the end of the line.
Enjoy the ride!
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

Benny B

Quote from: MuMark on February 11, 2019, 11:20:03 AM
I disagree with this take.......i think its pretty accurate but they could have been more balanced.....i mean we did somehow manage to go 20-4.......how about a little more info on what makes MU tough to beat?

Doesn't mean it isn't accurate.  Just means the sources aren't who they're purported to be.  This is an opinion piece by Davis, not an article based on actual testimonials.
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 08, 2015, 07:10:33 PM
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

Dr. Blackheart

Lanny Jr. sure loves his Badgers. 

In terms of Marquette, I think his coach intel is pretty solid.  That said, MU has the best overall BE defense (all games) and 2nd in conference games (PC who slows it down as they have the worst offense).  MU has won a quite a few games because of defense (ISU, UW, Nova).

In terms of a middle presence on offense, I think this is an area where MU will evolve.  Theo and Ed need to be put in better position to score.  I see too many bounce passes to our bigs which makes them mediocre guards and takes away their advantage. 

The Equalizer

Quote from: CTWarrior on February 11, 2019, 11:48:18 AM
Funny, the first thing I went to in that article was the MU, which was probably the only one I did not need to see since I've watched all the games this year.  I think the author is pretty much right on.  I wonder how many teams are going to play us like Villanova moving forward. Basically offer some help on Howard, but not with either of the Hauser's man.

If Sacar can continue to exploit this approach like he did on Saturday,  it won't be many. 

It's what I love about this year's team.  No matter who the other team focuses on, there's always another option for MU. 


CTWarrior

Quote from: Benny B on February 11, 2019, 12:37:45 PM
Doesn't mean it isn't accurate.  Just means the sources aren't who they're purported to be.  This is an opinion piece by Davis, not an article based on actual testimonials.
So he'd have to be lying then.  He says he went to two opposing coaches for an assessment on each team and they article is what they said, which is why they are in quotes.  He presents this as opposing coaches opinions, not his own.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

NickelDimer

You know who's not a defensive liability and doesn't lack foot speed? Brendan Bailey. And his continued development will be critical to our postseason success in my opinion
No Finish Line

TallTitan34

Quote from: NickelDimer on February 11, 2019, 01:11:25 PM
You know who's not a defensive liability and doesn't lack foot speed? Brendan Bailey. And his continued development will be critical to our postseason success in my opinion

His defense has been increasing his minutes in big situations.

NickelDimer

Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 11, 2019, 01:14:00 PM
His defense has been increasing his minutes in big situations.
No doubt. And once he starts putting the ball on the floor more he'll give us more offensively.
No Finish Line

JWags85

Quote from: muguru on February 11, 2019, 11:41:05 AM
This is my one qualm about Theo..damn if he had any offense, this team would be close to unstoppable. On nights like SJU when the shots weren't falling, how nice would it be to have a big down low that you could dump it down to and it'd be almost a guaranteed 2 points??

There are like 4-5 of those players in the country and they are usually 1-2 and done or rare 4 year projects.  There are only 4 high major players over 6-8 in the top 100 in scoring nationally, and one is Dedric Lawson who isn't exactly a low post craftsman


Guys like Hachimura, Happ, and Govan don't grow in trees.