collapse

* Stud of Providence Game

Kam Jones

23 points, 5 rebounds,
5 assists, 3 steals,
34 minutes

2023-24 Season SoG Tally
Kolek9
Ighodaro6
Jones, K.6
Mitchell2
Jones, S.1
Joplin1

'22-23
'21-22 * '20-21 * '19-20
'18-19 * '17-18 * '16-17
'15-16 * '14-15 * '13-14
'12-13 * '11-12 * '10-11

* Big East Standings

* Recent Posts

NCAA Ticket Strategy by MarquetteVol
[Today at 12:39:08 AM]


WKU by PointWarrior
[Today at 12:02:46 AM]


Pitino's Modern Take on a Maguire Move, Blow off the NIT by Dr. Blackheart
[March 18, 2024, 11:51:09 PM]


[Cracked Sidewalks] Bracketology: Final Thoughts by brewcity77
[March 18, 2024, 11:12:52 PM]


A Basketball Renaissance 50 Years In The Making by DavidBoone2inchesTaller
[March 18, 2024, 10:25:35 PM]


2024 Coaching Carousel by JWags85
[March 18, 2024, 10:01:37 PM]


NIL legal update by GoldenEagles03
[March 18, 2024, 09:10:52 PM]

Please Register - It's FREE!

The absolute only thing required for this FREE registration is a valid e-mail address.  We keep all your information confidential and will NEVER give or sell it to anyone else.
Login to get rid of this box (and ads) , or register NOW!

* Next up: Western Kentucky

Marquette
57
Marquette vs

Western Kentucky

Date/Time: Mar 22, 2024, 1:00 pm
TV: TBS
Schedule for 2023-24
UConn
73

Author Topic: NCAA Sites  (Read 2772 times)

DegenerateDish

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 2495
NCAA Sites
« on: January 23, 2019, 11:03:41 PM »
I’m admittedly jumping the gun here, but am monitoring teams/sites. Biggest issue this year is the two sites out west. With no PAC 12 teams getting a protected seed, San Jose becomes an odd destination (assuming Gonzaga and Nevada both go to Salt Lake.

Duke/UVA can be sharpied into Columbia.

Columbus might get the Big 10 winner and probably the runner up (assume both Mich schools stay top 8).

Jacksonville is another odd spot. Tennessee is closer to Columbus, but Florida is more SEC country. It would benefit MU for Tennessee to wind up there and both Michigan schools going to Columbus.

Ultimate goal here is for MU to get to Des Moines. Kansas hopefully goes to Tulsa, which would then open up a path for MU.

I just came back from Des Moines on business and drove past the arena multiple times, hoping to be back there in mid March.

GooooMarquette

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 9489
  • We got this.
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2019, 11:12:25 PM »
I'd love Des Moines! Just a little over 3-hour drive for me.

MUMountin

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 787
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2019, 11:39:18 PM »
I’m admittedly jumping the gun here, but am monitoring teams/sites. Biggest issue this year is the two sites out west. With no PAC 12 teams getting a protected seed, San Jose becomes an odd destination (assuming Gonzaga and Nevada both go to Salt Lake.

Duke/UVA can be sharpied into Columbia.

Columbus might get the Big 10 winner and probably the runner up (assume both Mich schools stay top 8).

Jacksonville is another odd spot. Tennessee is closer to Columbus, but Florida is more SEC country. It would benefit MU for Tennessee to wind up there and both Michigan schools going to Columbus.

Ultimate goal here is for MU to get to Des Moines. Kansas hopefully goes to Tulsa, which would then open up a path for MU.

I just came back from Des Moines on business and drove past the arena multiple times, hoping to be back there in mid March.

Its been years since I've had to think seriously about this issue, since we haven't had a team come close to sniffing a protected seed in far too long.

But, my memory was that the NCAA decided this strictly based on air distance between the campus and the location--is that not the case?  If so, that might affect your assumption about Tennessee going to Tallahassee instead of Columbus--and, I believe, UVA preferring Columbia instead of Columbus.

It also goes strictly by s-curve position, right?  So, even though Duke and UVA both make sense to go to Columbia, if Tennessee is ahead of them on the S-Curve, then they slide into one of those spots, sending the other to either Columbus, Tallahassee, or Hartford in most likely scenarios.  So, it may be premature to say that Columbia is locked in.

But, like I said, I haven't paid attention to this issue in a while, so the NCAA may have changed their approach (or I may not remember it correctly).  Any one know how they do it these days?

DegenerateDish

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 2495
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2019, 12:00:10 AM »
That’s my bad, I had re-written that post and it timed me out on my phone and posted before the edit.

I had fixed it to say Tennessee will probably prefer Columbia, and Columbia is sharpied for ACC winner and Tennessee as it looks today. Non ACC winner between Duke/UVA probably goes to Hartford or Jacksonville.

MU needs to hang around that 9-14ish range I think for a shot at Des Moines.

MUMountin

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 787
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2019, 12:02:39 AM »
But, like I said, I haven't paid attention to this issue in a while, so the NCAA may have changed their approach (or I may not remember it correctly).  Any one know how they do it these days?

Answering my own question, I found this on Crashing the Dance from last year: Among the principles the committee must follow are to "attempt to assign teams to the most geographically compatible first-/second-round site, descending in order on the seed list" and to keep teams "in or as close to their areas of natural interest as possible."

Don't know exactly where the quote comes from, nor how much that clears up--sounds less like strict distance and may more be about "fit" sometimes, so MUDish you may be right about Duke/UVA to Columbia (although I think Tenn. gets in there if they squeeze ahead of either team).

(Side note--anyone know what happened to Crashing the Dance?  The website hasn't updated since last year's tourney.  They used to create a chart with all of the distances between schools and locations that made this pretty easy).

Also, one other note--my assumption is that Nevada would go to San Jose, not Salt Lake.  So that likely leaves one spot in San Jose, one in Salt Lake for a team from east of the Rockies. 

We're probably about a month out from having a real good sense of how this might all shake out.

westcoastwarrior

  • Registered User
  • Starter
  • ***
  • Posts: 154
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2019, 12:17:21 AM »
No not San Jose again!  Lazar missing a last second shot to Washington is still fresh in my mind. 

WarriorFan

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1622
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2019, 12:26:32 AM »
Don't expect logic from the tournament committee... and for most of the east-coasters, Milwaukee and San Diego or SLC are all "west" so they don't care.
"The meaning of life isn't gnashing our bicuspids over what comes after death but tasting the tiny moments that come before it."

TallTitan34

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 9201
  • Gold N. Eagle (Ret.), Two Time SI Cover Model
    • Marquette Overload
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2019, 12:27:57 AM »
Seems like we always end up on a coast... against a team located nearby.

I was in Boise when we played Utah State and that was a true road game.

Galway Eagle

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 10409
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2019, 06:00:58 AM »
South Carolina was right by them, Murray state was right by them, San Jose was considerably closer to Washington. Have there been any others recently where we've essentially played on the road?
Maigh Eo for Sam

tower912

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 23138
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2019, 07:05:25 AM »
Seems like we always end up on a coast... against a team located nearby.

I was in Boise when we played Utah State and that was a true road game.
Beating the legend.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

warriorchick

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8061
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2019, 07:13:33 AM »
Hey, everybody stop jinxing us!
Have some patience, FFS.

muwarrior69

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 5103
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2019, 07:13:59 AM »
Not to worry. The NCAA believes Marquette is a PAC 12 team which is why we nearly always play out West?

war1980rior

  • Team Captain
  • ****
  • Posts: 329
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2019, 07:17:10 AM »
Tennessee has been to Jax many times for football.  Lots of local fans, and they travel well.  Add a spring break crowd, and this is pretty close to a home game for them.

I can see them in Jax so UVA or Duke gets Columbia. 

Being a local now, I'm jaded and would love MU here in Jax. I don't want Duke. I can see the NCAA setting up a Wojo vs. Coach K match. Ratings matter ($$$).  For that reason, there will be at least one PAC 12 team on the West coast, somewhere. 

Anyhow, logistically speaking, Jax is really Southern GA so it's still very close to the entire SE.

pbiflyer

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1725
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2019, 07:42:13 AM »
Have tix to the NCAAs in Jax, so I would love us to be seeded there.

SaveOD238

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1489
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2019, 07:51:30 AM »
So I printed a map, plotted all of the sites, and plotted the campuses of the top 16 on Bracket Matrix.  Then I went through 1 by 1 and placed teams in the closest location.

1. Virginia- Hartford (ok THIS is the one I fudged)
1. Duke- Columbia
1. Tennessee- Columbia
1. Michigan State- Columbus
2. Michigan- Columbus
2. Gonzaga- Salt Lake City
2. Kansas- Tulsa (maybe...I didn't calculate the actual distance)
2. North Carolina- Jacksonville
3. Kentucky- Des Moines
3. Texas Tech- Tulsa
3. Maryland- Hartford
3. Houston- Jacksonville
4. Virginia Tech- Des Moines
4. Marquette- Salt Lake City
4. Nevada- San Jose
4. Louisville (I actually made it Villanova on my map, as they are the next best and probably better than Louisville)- San Jose

So by my calculation, we just need to hop VPI on the seed line and hope that Kansas goes to Tulsa instead to get preference in Des Moines

dgies9156

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 4006
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2019, 07:55:44 AM »
It's nice to be talking about this rather than worrying about whether we make the Big Dance at all.

I'm kinda hoping for us in Jacksonville. This Warrior Snowbird would find Jacksonville appealing because it's about a 2.5 hour drive from my winter home. Given Interstate 95, it's probably 1.5 hours. I'd be there.

Wherever we go, I'm sure the dudes will do well. By the way, where are the women's sites?


wadesworld

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 17312
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2019, 08:12:52 AM »
Tennessee has been to Jax many times for football.  Lots of local fans, and they travel well.  Add a spring break crowd, and this is pretty close to a home game for them.

I can see them in Jax so UVA or Duke gets Columbia. 

Being a local now, I'm jaded and would love MU here in Jax. I don't want Duke. I can see the NCAA setting up a Wojo vs. Coach K match. Ratings matter ($$$).  For that reason, there will be at least one PAC 12 team on the West coast, somewhere. 

Anyhow, logistically speaking, Jax is really Southern GA so it's still very close to the entire SE.

Unless they're putting MU at a 7 or 8 seed, MU will not be playing Duke in a first/second round location.
Rocket Trigger Warning (wild that saying this would trigger anyone, but it's the world we live in): Black Lives Matter

war1980rior

  • Team Captain
  • ****
  • Posts: 329
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2019, 08:16:17 AM »
Thx!  Not a matchup I wanted to see early on.  Just hoping they are in Jax, as several classmates are coming to town regardless of MUs location.

Last time the opening rounds were here the games were all pretty tight.  Awesome couple of days.

SaveOD238

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1489
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2019, 08:23:29 AM »
Wherever we go, I'm sure the dudes will do well. By the way, where are the women's sites?

Top 4 Seeds host the first two rounds.  So there's a solid chance we'll be playing first and second round games at the AL.  One of the regionals is at the Wintrust, so there is a Final Four path that doesn't go further from home than Chicago.  Albany, Greensboro, and Portland OR are the others.  Tampa for the Final Four.

Lennys Tap

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 12202
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2019, 08:25:23 AM »
Ran my first marathon in Des Moines. Friendly people, nice downtown area IIRC.

We R Final Four

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 6581
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2019, 08:39:52 AM »
How many seeds are “protected”?
Top 4?

🏀

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8458
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2019, 09:12:20 AM »
Ran my first marathon in Des Moines. Friendly people, nice downtown area IIRC.

Des Moines is awesome

PGsHeroes32

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 13552
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2019, 09:18:17 AM »
Ran my first marathon in Des Moines. Friendly people, nice downtown area IIRC.

They do it really well for the tourney too.

If the weather is nice is pretty damn great downtown.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

GooooMarquette

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 9489
  • We got this.
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2019, 09:27:21 AM »
Ran my first marathon in Des Moines. Friendly people, nice downtown area IIRC.


I ran the marathon there once too! Maybe around '89 or so....

ZiggysFryBoy

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 5115
  • MEDITERRANEAN TACOS!
Re: NCAA Sites
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2019, 10:35:47 AM »


Anyhow, logistically speaking, Jax is really Southern GA so it's still very close to the entire SE.

Wait, I thought there was a line between the 2?

 

feedback