Author Topic: Value the Basketball (Read 12035 times)

wadesworld · « **on:** January 23, 2019, 08:11:09 PM »

The only way this team loses more than a handful of games in the Big East is turning the ball over. 7 turnovers in the first 13 minutes is how you lose to an inferior team.

Missing open shots will correct itself. Controlling the basketball needs to be a priority.

PGsHeroes32 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 23, 2019, 08:12:55 PM »

It’s the type of TOs too

Baileys pass awful.

Markus bounce pass awful.

Joeys TOs all due to not slowing down.

When we slow down and move the ball we always get a good look. And hopefully they will start going in.

Lennys Tap · « **Reply #2 on:** January 23, 2019, 08:13:39 PM »

Quote from: wadesworld on January 23, 2019, 08:11:09 PM

The only way this team loses more than a handful of games in the Big East is turning the ball over. 7 turnovers in the first 13 minutes is how you lose to an inferior team.

Missing open shots will correct itself. Controlling the basketball needs to be a priority.

+1. Way too loose with the ball sometimes.

wadesworld · « **Reply #3 on:** January 23, 2019, 08:21:09 PM »

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 23, 2019, 08:12:55 PM

It’s the type of TOs too

Baileys pass awful.

Markus bounce pass awful.

Joeys TOs all due to not slowing down.

When we slow down and move the ball we always get a good look. And hopefully they will start going in.

Yup. I like that they’re coming on trying to share the ball rather than forcing things on the drive, but there’s sharing the ball and then there’s trying to force something that just isn’t there.

wadesworld · « **Reply #4 on:** January 23, 2019, 08:36:38 PM »

The other thing is when rebounding on the defensive end guys tend to try to turn up court before fully securing the rebound and clearing the opponent and end up fumbling the ball away. Not sure they’re always called turnovers. The last 2 years we wanted to really push it at every opportunity so we should’ve been looking to get out and run. But the difference was we had Rowsey who had the ball on a string and had a bit of (a less disciplined) Steve Nash in him in that he kept his dribble and always had his head up, seeing the court and being very good at manipulating the defense. Howard is overall a better player but he is not nearly as good in the open court. Obviously if the break is there you take it, but much more than the past 2 years this team needs to first make sure to be smart with the ball as we’re much better in a half court game than transition.

And where I think a big problem in the turnovers comes from is picking up the dribble in bad spots on the court. Wide wing with nobody in the corner and trying to make long passes either to the top to a small Markus or into the post with a poor angle to make the entry pass.

jesmu84 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 23, 2019, 09:27:25 PM »

wadesworld · « **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2019, 09:28:42 PM »

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 23, 2019, 09:27:25 PM

Bump

Yup. 7 turnovers in the first 13 minutes of the game, then 0 the rest of the first half to head into half time up 13. Now 10 (or more?) in the second half and they’ve closed the gap.

All about taking care of the basketball for this team.

wadesworld · « **Reply #7 on:** January 30, 2019, 05:37:39 PM »

Whelp

tower912 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 30, 2019, 05:38:10 PM »

Early.

PGsHeroes32 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 30, 2019, 05:41:05 PM »

Quote from: tower912 on January 30, 2019, 05:38:10 PM

Early.

Early to still win the game

Not too early to be embarrassing basketball value.

These spurts of awful Tos gotta stop come March

willie warrior · « **Reply #10 on:** January 30, 2019, 06:00:34 PM »

Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 23, 2019, 08:13:39 PM

+1. Way too loose with the ball sometimes.

Wojo is the accountable oneo

GB Warrior · « **Reply #11 on:** January 30, 2019, 06:20:47 PM »

Quote from: willie warrior on January 30, 2019, 06:00:34 PM

Wojo is the accountable oneo

Wojo has made a lot of sloppy passes this game

wadesworld · « **Reply #12 on:** January 30, 2019, 06:21:33 PM »

It’s amazing how good we look when we don’t turn the ball over.

Let’s limit the turnovers this second half and get out of here with a W.

We R Final Four · « **Reply #13 on:** January 30, 2019, 06:22:38 PM »

It’s up to Wojo apparently.

SaveOD238 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 30, 2019, 06:25:42 PM »

The turnover issue is one that will probably go away next year. Everyone will be one more year experienced, and we're adding another quality ball-handler in Koby. The freshman mistakes from Joey and Brendan will diminish.

Jay Bee · « **Reply #15 on:** January 30, 2019, 06:54:39 PM »

Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 30, 2019, 06:25:42 PM

The turnover issue is one that will probably go away next year. Everyone will be one more year experienced, and we're adding another quality ball-handler in Koby. The freshman mistakes from Joey and Brendan will diminish.

Hope so.

Koby was a 19.2% turnover rate guy, higher than Markus. Bailey DOESN'T turn it over. He's had 2 or 3 all season I believe. Sub-5% turnover rate this season. Unheard of. Joey only ~22%.. not awful for a frosh who does what he does. #pray

wadesworld · « **Reply #16 on:** January 30, 2019, 07:03:51 PM »

Doesn’t make it easy when they’re letting them ride us on every dribble.

Eye · « **Reply #17 on:** January 30, 2019, 07:42:27 PM »

And Elliot will be healthy.

Marcus92 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 30, 2019, 07:55:15 PM »

Turnovers are the main factor holding back this offense. Overall, KenPom ranks MU 31st in adjusted offensive efficiency -- but just 201st in turnover percentage (19.3%). The inconsistency has been puzzling. Following a season-best performance against Providence (8.7%), MU gave away 25% of its possessions the very next game against DePaul.

Jay Bee · « **Reply #19 on:** January 30, 2019, 07:57:16 PM »

Quote from: Marcus92 on January 30, 2019, 07:55:15 PM

Turnovers are the main factor holding back this offense. Overall, KenPom ranks MU 31st in adjusted offensive efficiency -- but just 201st in turnover percentage (19.3%). The inconsistency has been puzzling. Following a season-best performance against Providence (8.7%), MU gave away 25% of its possessions the very next game against DePaul.

A factor.. the 'main'.. not so sure about that. I'd point to a relatively crappy 2FG% that is gone b tuff 2 fix.

Marcus92 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 30, 2019, 08:02:02 PM »

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 30, 2019, 07:57:16 PM

A factor.. the 'main'.. not so sure about that. I'd point to a relatively crappy 2FG% that is gone b tuff 2 fix.

True, our 2-point FG% is middle of the road. But that's balanced by the 12th-best 3-point percentage in Division I. Of the four factors, TO% is the team's biggest deficiency.

Daniel · « **Reply #21 on:** January 30, 2019, 08:07:08 PM »

Cut turnovers in half, and get an inside game going and we could be near unstoppable.

avid1010 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 30, 2019, 08:14:00 PM »

Not sure we will see Markus cut his turnovers down...Joey coming out and consistently having multiple turnovers early in the game should be fixable.

tower912 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 30, 2019, 08:54:20 PM »

Yes. By Joey becoming a sophomore.

MU82 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 30, 2019, 10:06:45 PM »

Gotta appreciate joyless willie. The man is consistent.

He is determined to fall on his Wojo Sucks Sword all the way to the bitter end -- bitter for him, that is -- when we're in the Final Four.

Every other Scooper will be celebrating -- even the ones who very, very, very begrudgingly admit that Wojo isn't awful -- but one Scooper will be wearing his joyless frown, hoping against hope that we don't win the national title.

What a great way to go through life!

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