Fun Graphic - College Basketball Imperialism Map

[LloydsLegs]

From reddit.  I saw this on twitter a few weeks ago (probably posted by one of my MU bball follows-sorry for not giving credit)  and don't think it has been posted here.  Shows county by county domination in NCAA bball-verse:

"What if college basketball games were battles for land? Every county is the possession of the team located closest to it. If a team is beaten, all of their land is taken by the team to defeat them, regardless of where the game takes place. The only exception is if a team loses to a non-D1 opponent, they will retain their lands to simplify the map."

As of 12/22 (last update) MU currently leads in 3 of 4 categories:  number of counties; total population, number of territories (and is third in total land mass). 

Odd to see Milwaukee owned by Indiana while MU is winning the NCAAM RISK overall battle.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/a8s7fq/college_basketball_imperialism_map_december_22/

[MUBigDance]

Ok that has a "Risk" vibe to it and appeals to the strategy-board-game-of-old side of me.

Not to nitpick but not clear on the rules when more than one team has a claim...is it the last team to win a claim on that land...Meaning UWM and MU results apply to Milwaukee county...and I assume its the most recent claim that wins the county....and can you win it back?

In any case great to see we conquered the entire state of Maine

[warriorchick]

Ok that has a "Risk" vibe to it and appeals to the strategy-board-game-of-old side of me.

Not to nitpick but not clear on the rules when more than one team has a claim...is it the last team to win a claim on that land...Meaning UWM and MU results apply to Milwaukee county...and I assume its the most recent claim that wins the county....and can you win it back?

In any case great to see we conquered the entire state of Maine

Well, any county west of Marquette belongs to Marquette (from how I understand it).  UWM is at a disadvantage in that it is hemmed in by Lake Michigan.

[mu03eng]

Ok that has a "Risk" vibe to it and appeals to the strategy-board-game-of-old side of me.

Not to nitpick but not clear on the rules when more than one team has a claim...is it the last team to win a claim on that land...Meaning UWM and MU results apply to Milwaukee county...and I assume its the most recent claim that wins the county....and can you win it back?

In any case great to see we conquered the entire state of Maine

So when the land changes hands it is owned by the new team who would have to them be beaten to lose the land....that's why Virginia owns Madison right now, they beat UW-Madison first so they get that land, whoever beats Virginia next would get that land

[jsglow]

So isn't this really only about winning streaks?

[BallBoy]

So isn't this really only about winning streaks?

Not necessarily. It is about who you beat and what territory you both had when you beat them.  For example, ASU beat an unbeaten Kansas so they got everything that Kansas had. One game against a giant might get you 10 regions or nothing.

[Johnny B]

There's no way this is real

[🏀]

There's no way this is real

There's no way you understand the concept.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

There's no way this is real

Why?

[Hards Alumni]

They do this every year.  Its good times.   They also do one for undefeated teams.

[BallBoy]

Indiana doesn’t own Milwaukee but Troy and Temple do.

[DoggyDaddy]

I don't quite get the methodology but it does reflect recent viewing habits; it shows TV exposure and an exciting team have currency across the country in some remarkable places: Redwood country in Northern California, Oregon, the panhandle beaches of Alabama/Florida, finger lakes wine country of upstate NY, the sand hills of Kansas just north of Lawrence and KU for God's sake and of course, pristine Maine. One could make a great vacation or even settle in any of these lovely places and feel at home with its discerning college hoops fans.     

[Bricky]

I don't quite get the methodology but it does reflect recent viewing habits; it shows TV exposure and an exciting team have currency across the country in some remarkable places: Redwood country in Northern California, Oregon, the panhandle beaches of Alabama/Florida, finger lakes wine country of upstate NY, the sand hills of Kansas just north of Lawrence and KU for God's sake and of course, pristine Maine. One could make a great vacation or even settle in any of these lovely places and feel at home with its discerning college hoops fans.   

Woosh

[brewcity77]

Maybe I'm confused, but I don't get how Indiana still has Milwaukee. I get them winning it when they beat Marquette, but wouldn't they have lost it to Arkansas?

[BM1090]

Maybe I'm confused, but I don't get how Indiana still has Milwaukee. I get them winning it when they beat Marquette, but wouldn't they have lost it to Arkansas?

It looks like Troy currently owns Milwaukee, if you look very closely. Indiana owns northern Illinois from their win over Northwestern.

Temple owns the land between there and Milwaukee, for god knows what reason.

Troy owns Milwaukee by virtue of their win over WKU. WKU beat Arkansas, who beat Indiana.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Maybe I'm confused, but I don't get how Indiana still has Milwaukee. I get them winning it when they beat Marquette, but wouldn't they have lost it to Arkansas?

EDIT: 1090 beat me to it

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I think it's funny that if you look at the original map we only have 5 counties to start with and two of them are in Michigan. Maybe that's what all those people were getting at when they say Marquette is in Michigan!

[BM1090]

And the area that Temple owns between Milwaukee and Evanston is because.....

Boston College beat UWM on opening night. BC lost to IUPUI. Who lost to Richmond. Who lost to Loyola Chicago. Who lost to Boston College AGAIN. Who lost to Providence. Who lost to Umass. Who lost to Temple.

I'm calling it a day.

[Coleman]

This map is cool but it is pretty meaningless. How often you appear is not entirely in your control. Michigan is undefeated and has almost no territory. If you beat someone who just lost you are screwed.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I don't quite get the methodology but it does reflect recent viewing habits; it shows TV exposure and an exciting team have currency across the country in some remarkable places: Redwood country in Northern California, Oregon, the panhandle beaches of Alabama/Florida, finger lakes wine country of upstate NY, the sand hills of Kansas just north of Lawrence and KU for God's sake and of course, pristine Maine. One could make a great vacation or even settle in any of these lovely places and feel at home with its discerning college hoops fans.   

[brewcity77]

If St John's wins at Seton Hall and we beat St John's, that will be a big victory for the map. Then hope Providence holds until we play them. I don't see any other Big East teams with territory currently.

[StillAWarrior]

This map is cool but it is pretty meaningless. How often you appear is not entirely in your control. Michigan is undefeated and has almost no territory. If you beat someone who just lost you are screwed.

Well, they should take that into consideration when making the schedule, now shouldn't they? 

[Loose Cannon]

And the area that Temple owns between Milwaukee and Evanston is because.....

Boston College beat UWM on opening night. BC lost to IUPUI. Who lost to Richmond. Who lost to Loyola Chicago. Who lost to Boston College AGAIN. Who lost to Providence. Who lost to Umass. Who lost to Temple.

I'm calling it a day.

I'm calling Bill Walton.

[StillAWarrior]

Does anyone know if he did the rankings at the beginning of the season?  I have to think that the Big East had one of the smallest land areas of any conference.

DePaul, St. John's, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Providence and Xavier are extremely small (DePaul seems non-existent).  Marquette, Villanova and Butler are all small.  Even Creighton -- which is by far the largest, isn't very big.

[WarriorDad]

This is neat, even if completely absent of any real value.   

[Archies Bat]

This is neat, even if completely absent of any real value.   

Like much of Scoop!

[mu03eng]

Like much of Scoop!

all of

[Newsdreams]

Arby's?

[LloydsLegs]

I'm calling Bill Walton.

I LOL'd

[rocky_warrior]

Does anyone know if he did the rankings at the beginning of the season?  I have to think that the Big East had one of the smallest land areas of any conference.

DePaul, St. John's, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Providence and Xavier are extremely small (DePaul seems non-existent).  Marquette, Villanova and Butler are all small.  Even Creighton -- which is by far the largest, isn't very big.

Yes, though he started it on busting brackets and they pulled the series (see here).  He's been updating on reddit since - here's the first post with stats.  And here's his reddit posting history.

[rocky_warrior]

Marquette still leading by a pretty wide margin.  Unfortunately....

1) Beating St. John's won't gain any ground
2) Losing to St. John's will lose everything!

https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/ab21sp/college_basketball_imperialism_map_december_30/

[barfolomew]

Marquette still leading by a pretty wide margin.  Unfortunately....

1) Beating St. John's won't gain any ground
2) Losing to St. John's will lose everything!

https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/ab21sp/college_basketball_imperialism_map_december_30/

We need to invade Princeton.
Fort Ticonderoga is critical to our defenses and must be retaken at all costs.

[Marquetteauburn]

I love this map regardless of the lack of actual value in basketball terms. I will let the creator use their own rules however they see fit and just want to see the end result. Lots of people in New York City to be conquered if only Seton Hall hadn't beaten us to them!

[brewcity77]

I love this map regardless of the lack of actual value in basketball terms. I will let the creator use their own rules however they see fit and just want to see the end result. Lots of people in New York City to be conquered if only Seton Hall hadn't beaten us to them!

Root for Xavier when they host Seton Hall on Wednesday. If they win, they'll bring all that territory with them to the FF on Sunday.

[Osiris]

It lost me at, “From Reddit”.

[SaveOD238]

If I understand this right, a team can only steal land from a team that they play.  So now that it's conference season, the Big East will just pass around the territory currently owned by Marquette, Providence, and Seton Hall.

But St John's plays Duke!  If the Johnnies beat Duke and steal their land, then all of that Duke land comes to the Big East. 

Then guess who plays St John's next?  That's right, Marquette.  We could be looking at a HUGE land gain on February 5 if St John's helps us out earlier that week.

(That's my birthday too!  What a birthday present it would be)

[Galway Eagle]

So at the end of the year there should only be four schools on there right?

[brewcity77]

So at the end of the year there should only be four schools on there right?

Ultimately, only one. Each team should bring any territory they have to the conference tournament where each champ would end up taking all the territory. Then each champ would bring that to the NCAA tournament.

There could be exceptions if a team wasn't invited to the conference tournament with territory (Ivy League or a postseason ban) but ultimately one team should control the entire map.

[Galway Eagle]

Ultimately, only one. Each team should bring any territory they have to the conference tournament where each champ would end up taking all the territory. Then each champ would bring that to the NCAA tournament.

There could be exceptions if a team wasn't invited to the conference tournament with territory (Ivy League or a postseason ban) but ultimately one team should control the entire map.

Oh that's right. Stupid me.

[SaveOD238]

Ultimately, only one. Each team should bring any territory they have to the conference tournament where each champ would end up taking all the territory. Then each champ would bring that to the NCAA tournament.

There could be exceptions if a team wasn't invited to the conference tournament with territory (Ivy League or a postseason ban) but ultimately one team should control the entire map.

I think last year he reset it for the NCAA tournament.

[StillAWarrior]

I can't tell you all how great it feels to wake up in the morning in a land controlled by Marquette. 

[StillAWarrior]

Duke's loss to Syracuse deprived the Big East (and, Marquette by extension) an opportunity for a nice land grab.  The only chance the Big East has to add to its land is when SJU plays Duke on 2/2.  It was setting up perfectly for the conference because SJU lost all of its land to Villanova, so they would have nothing to lose in the game against Duke and could only gain.  But Duke lost everything. If Duke beats Virginia, they'll have some land, but not nearly as much as they would have had.  So, best case scenario at this point for Big East is that Duke beats UVA and gets their land, then loses it to SJU.

[StillAWarrior]

Thanks to their upset of St. John's last night, our game against Providence on Saturday will be to consolidate all of the land that is held within the Big East.

At present, Marquette's kingdom already includes more people (60 million) in more counties (464) than any other team.  And we're third in land with 411,000 square miles (behind Kentucky who owns most of Alaska and San Diego State who just won a huge chunk in Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas).  With a win on Saturday, Marquette could add another 7 million people in 86 counties and 48,000 square miles.

[LloydsLegs]

Let's go Marquette; this is about more than the BE and the NCAA's!

[cheebs09]

Thanks to their upset of St. John's last night, our game against Providence on Saturday will be to consolidate all of the land that is held within the Big East.

At present, Marquette's kingdom already includes more people (60 million) in more counties (464) than any other team.  And we're third in land with 411,000 square miles (behind Kentucky who owns most of Alaska and San Diego State who just won a huge chunk in Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas).  With a win on Saturday, Marquette could add another 7 million people in 86 counties and 48,000 square miles.

Knocking off Providence will help us compete with Yale for the elite New England students.

[Skatastrophy]

Knocking off Providence will help us compete with Yale for the elite New England students.

This will help the LAX program