Quinerly not living up to expectations; pops off

[Herman Cain]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/villanovas-jay-wright-says-jahvon-quinerly-apologized-after-complaining-on-social-media-about-playing-time/amp/

[tower912]

Referenced elsewhere.   But yes, he and Jay are not seeing eye to eye.  Jay won't play him unless he plays the Villanova way.  And JQ is ticked.   Assuming there will be a separation.

[Herman Cain]

Referenced elsewhere.   But yes, he and Jay are not seeing eye to eye.  Jay won't play him unless he plays the Villanova way.  And JQ is ticked.   Assuming there will be a separation.

This case is a great example as to why the recruit rankings are to be taken with a grain of salt. Until the kid gets on campus it is hard to truly know how they respond to adversity. Quinerly will eventually get a chance during conference season and it will be interesting to see how he performs.

[MU82]

This case is a great example as to why the recruit rankings are to be taken with a grain of salt. Until the kid gets on campus it is hard to truly know how they respond to adversity. Quinerly will eventually get a chance during conference season and it will be interesting to see how he performs.

Agree with this.

But I wonder how those who rip Wojo even when things are going well would handle it if this exact situation were taking place under his watch.

[tower912]

We already know.  And we are not allowed to compare Wojo to Wright.

[esotericmindguy]

But I wonder how those who rip Wojo even when things are going well would handle it if this exact situation were taking place under his watch.

Tell you what, win 4 straight conference championships and two national titles and we'll give wojo the benefit of the doubt.

[avid1010]

We already know.  And we are not allowed to compare Wojo to Wright.

We can certainly compare Wright to Wojo...but the comparisons work both ways.  Perhaps the best comparison would be the first five years for each of them at Nova and MU.  Wright went to 3 NIT's, then a S16, then an E8.  I'm not sure that comparison makes me feel good.  In the process he overcame a phone card scandal, landed top recruiting classes, and developed talent to to an E8 level. 

So you can certainly compare Wojo to Wright...but you can't cherry pick what you want to compare.  Bottom line...if Wojo wins as many games/championships as Wright we'll all be very happy fans. 

At this point, MU is where I would have hoped they would be this season...kudos to Wojo for that. 

[avid1010]

This case is a great example as to why the recruit rankings are to be taken with a grain of salt. Until the kid gets on campus it is hard to truly know how they respond to adversity. Quinerly will eventually get a chance during conference season and it will be interesting to see how he performs.

please remember this when telling us how great every HS player is going to be...and that MU should be recruiting them.

[dgies9156]

Tell you what, win 4 straight conference championships and two national titles and we'll give wojo the benefit of the doubt.

Wow, tough crowd.

[T-Bone]

At this point, MU is where I would have hoped they would be this season...kudos to Wojo for that.

Agree with the post, but most definitely this.  (I'm cherry picking quotes)

[TSmith34, Inc.]

This case is a great example as to why the recruit rankings are to be taken with a grain of salt. Until the kid gets on campus it is hard to truly know how they respond to adversity. Quinerly will eventually get a chance during conference season and it will be interesting to see how he performs.

I don't know enough about the ranking process, but do they even attempt to take into consideration an individual's character?

[wadesworld]

We can certainly compare Wright to Wojo...but the comparisons work both ways.  Perhaps the best comparison would be the first five years for each of them at Nova and MU.  Wright went to 3 NIT's, then a S16, then an E8.  I'm not sure that comparison makes me feel good.  In the process he overcame a phone card scandal, landed top recruiting classes, and developed talent to to an E8 level. 

So you can certainly compare Wojo to Wright...but you can't cherry pick what you want to compare.  Bottom line...if Wojo wins as many games/championships as Wright we'll all be very happy fans. 

At this point, MU is where I would have hoped they would be this season...kudos to Wojo for that.

We don’t really know what year 5 is going to bring for Wojo. If he gets to the S16, given what he brings back and that he adds what should be an impact transfer going into next season, while it’s not as good as Wright’s first 5 years, it’s not terribly far off.

[Marcus92]

Not saying Wojo is going to duplicate Jay Wright's success, but it's worth clarifying one thing about the comparison. Wright wasn't a first-time head coach when he started at Nova. He coached Hofstra for 7 years before that -- with three losing seasons and no NCAA appearances in his first five years.

[MUBigDance]

What do you think about the Ellenson experiment with regards to the Mojo first-5.

we were awful the year before...and 20-13 with Henry and a win over UW...and almost tourney worthy.

but there was something unsatisfying about him leaving after 1-year (didn't "unpack his bags" as Wojo hoped). And brother Wally disappeared.

1-n-done might be a good problem to have...but did Ellenson help the trajectory or just cause us to reset the next year?

[Silkk the Shaka]

What do you think about the Ellenson experiment with regards to the Mojo first-5.

we were awful the year before...and 20-13 with Henry and a win over UW...and almost tourney worthy.

but there was something unsatisfying about him leaving after 1-year (didn't "unpack his bags" as Wojo hoped). And brother Wally disappeared.

1-n-done might be a good problem to have...but did Ellenson help the trajectory or just cause us to reset the next year?

Short term-reset, long-term positive as it showed high level talent can go 1 & done at MU

[Jay Bee]

I don't know enough about the ranking process, but do they even attempt to take into consideration an individual's character?

Some do, some don’t. As evaluators, it’s necessary to identify some of the outliers. There are examples of kids with identified issues I’ve seen... and 8 times out of 10, there are issues in college.

[Golden Avalanche]

I don't know enough about the ranking process, but do they even attempt to take into consideration an individual's character?

Do you know of a problem with Quinerly's character?

I've known the kid for three years now and haven't seen anything to that question.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Do you know of a problem with Quinerly's character?

I've known the kid for three years now and haven't seen anything to that question.

No, my question wasn't specific to this kid who I know nothing about.  MUFINY made a comment that rankings don't tell you how a kid will react to adversity. 

My question was about whether the rankings themselves (not the recruiters, who presumably obviously take character into account to whatever degree fits with their school) actually try to factor such things in.  I was guessing not, that a kid's ranking was almost wholly based on on-the-court abilities, but was asking those who know about it than me.

Wasn't intended to be a shot at this kid, who as I say I know nothing about other than some poor decisions on social media.

[nyg]

Yeah, he didn't play a minute today subsequent to his social media mistake.  Prior to game, I thought it was 50/50 he leaves, now I am up to 70/30.  Even though it was a stupid thing, fans and coaches don't forget. 

[brewcity77]

Do you know of a problem with Quinerly's character?

I've known the kid for three years now and haven't seen anything to that question.

Parrish and Norlander were talking about the NYC based Jelly Fam group that Quinerly came out of. The gist of it seemed to be that while they have elevated the perspective of NYC area players, the viral mixtapes have also created unreal expectations for kids coming out of that background.

It wasn't necessarily anything negative about Quinerly, moreso that he may have come in with unrealistic expectations of what his role would be, and that 'Nova losing DiVincenzo and Spellman meant they had fewer leaders to establish the culture that led to guys like Hart, Brunson, Arcidiacono, Bridges, and others growing up humble in the system.

It'll be interesting to see if he sticks it out or transfers. One of those situations where I'm not sure the grass would be any greener elsewhere for him.

[Herman Cain]

Parrish and Norlander were talking about the NYC based Jelly Fam group that Quinerly came out of. The gist of it seemed to be that while they have elevated the perspective of NYC area players, the viral mixtapes have also created unreal expectations for kids coming out of that background.

It wasn't necessarily anything negative about Quinerly, moreso that he may have come in with unrealistic expectations of what his role would be, and that 'Nova losing DiVincenzo and Spellman meant they had fewer leaders to establish the culture that led to guys like Hart, Brunson, Arcidiacono, Bridges, and others growing up humble in the system.

It'll be interesting to see if he sticks it out or transfers. One of those situations where I'm not sure the grass would be any greener elsewhere for him.

Kid had almost a million views on mixtape. They start believing their own hype sometimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpyMvHeQZlQ

[CountryRoads]

Kid had almost a million views on mixtape. They start believing their own hype sometimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpyMvHeQZlQ

Sandy Cohen looked like a one and done in his mixtape as well.

I’m not too surprised to see Quinerly staying at Nova for the time being. I’m guessing he declares for the draft after this year regardless of how his season plays out.

[Earl Tatum]

Just Love the Quinerly and Grimes stats. One is a pouter and the other
overrated. Like Jay Wright's stand--one player does not make a team.

[Marcus92]

Looking back at the game logs, 5-star Vander Blue had 6 games during his freshman season when he played less than 10 minutes. He came to Marquette with a ton of athleticism and potential, but needed to learn how to harness it. Part of a coach's job is helping young players figure that out.

[Galway Eagle]

Looking back at the game logs, 5-star Vander Blue had 6 games during his freshman season when he played less than 10 minutes. He came to Marquette with a ton of athleticism and potential, but needed to learn how to harness it. Part of a coach's job is helping young players figure that out.

I agree but Vander and JJJ were boarderline 5stars by one service each. JQ was a verified All American and those guys generally have the expectation they'll be able to showcase themselves