10 days off, what to talk about

[tower912]

1.  When will Elliott get back and how soon will he be able contribute?
2.  How will MU play during its NEXT road game?
3.  Is Sam healthy?    I still think he looks like he is laboring from time to time.
4.  MU is 8-2 with......Markus playing hero ball..... Sam going through a shooting slump..... inconsistent production from BB, JH, Cain, Chartouny, Morrow.    All have had their moments, but none have been consistent. 
5.  What is Joey's ceiling THIS YEAR?
6.   Morrow vs Theo, who should start at the 5?
7.   Will Chartouny ever make another 3?
8.  Why does NET hate Marquette?

[BM1090]

1.  When will Elliott get back and how soon will he be able contribute?
2.  How will MU play during its NEXT road game?
3.  Is Sam healthy?    I still think he looks like he is laboring from time to time.
4.  MU is 8-2 with......Markus playing hero ball..... Sam going through a shooting slump..... inconsistent production from BB, JH, Cain, Chartouny, Morrow.    All have had their moments, but none have been consistent. 
5.  What is Joey's ceiling THIS YEAR?
6.   Morrow vs Theo, who should start at the 5?
7.   Will Chartouny ever make another 3?
8.  Why does NET hate Marquette?

1. Southern. He will contribute in that game, slump for awhile and then settle in during the 2nd half of the big east season
2. Not well. Wojo has struggled big time @SJU. Have we won their in the past 5 years?
3. Yes but reassimilating himself
4. Agreed. Good sign. Getting results while the process hasn't been perfected.
5. High.
6. Theo. Morrow if he was 2 inches taller.
7. Probably. Maybe.
8. Does it? Aren't we top 30?

[Herman Cain]

1.  When will Elliott get back and how soon will he be able contribute?
2.  How will MU play during its NEXT road game?
3.  Is Sam healthy?    I still think he looks like he is laboring from time to time.
4.  MU is 8-2 with......Markus playing hero ball..... Sam going through a shooting slump..... inconsistent production from BB, JH, Cain, Chartouny, Morrow.    All have had their moments, but none have been consistent. 
5.  What is Joey's ceiling THIS YEAR?
6.   Morrow vs Theo, who should start at the 5?
7.   Will Chartouny ever make another 3?
8.  Why does NET hate Marquette?

MU is 22
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings

[muwarrior69]

1.  When will Elliott get back and how soon will he be able contribute?
2.  How will MU play during its NEXT road game?
3.  Is Sam healthy?    I still think he looks like he is laboring from time to time.
4.  MU is 8-2 with......Markus playing hero ball..... Sam going through a shooting slump..... inconsistent production from BB, JH, Cain, Chartouny, Morrow.    All have had their moments, but none have been consistent. 
5.  What is Joey's ceiling THIS YEAR?
6.   Morrow vs Theo, who should start at the 5?
7.   Will Chartouny ever make another 3?
8.  Why does NET hate Marquette?

9. Will all the players pass their finals?

[TallTitan34]

10. What will we be ranked on 12/17/18?
11.  Will Freeway ever return?

EDIT:  Nice date catch rocky.

[rocky_warrior]

10. What will we be ranked on 12/17/18?

I can guarantee MU will be undefeated this week.

[JakeBarnes]

12. Create a hiroshima or tinfoil hat thread. That's usually the trend when we are bored and nothing is happening.

[TallTitan34]

13.  Better option?  The Arbynator or a beef 'n cheddar and small curly fry?

[94Warrior]

10. What will we be ranked on 12/18/18?
11.  Will Freeway ever return?

Freeway attended the UTEP game. 

[TallTitan34]

Freeway attended the UTEP game.

Damn it!  That was suppose to cover ten days!  Asked and answered in ten minutes.

[mu03eng]

Don't think Elliot is back before the Buffalo game  and will be getting spot minutes while he works himself back into the rotation as part of the first half of conference play

[BCHoopster]

Don't think Elliot is back before the Buffalo game  and will be getting spot minutes while he works himself back into the rotation as part of the first half of conference play

Unless he is practicing today, I do not see him back to middle of January, since he will need time to get back in basketball shape and playing ability.  Might be time
to redshirt.

[LoudMouth]

10. What will we be ranked on 12/17/18?

Hey now TAMU doesn't like talking about this thread before a game 

[rocky_warrior]

Unless he is practicing today, I do not see him back to middle of January, since he will need time to get back in basketball shape and playing ability.  Might be time
to redshirt.

I don't think the hand injury prevents him from keeping in shape (cardio).  He can even dribble with his right hand

[mu03eng]

Unless he is practicing today, I do not see him back to middle of January, since he will need time to get back in basketball shape and playing ability.  Might be time
to redshirt.

Elliot's cardio will be fine. He's been sprinting/running/etc since a week after the surgery. From what I've heard he's been doing as many drills right handed as he can as well. It's really just going to take time for him to be confident with his left and get back into the flow of a game.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

13.  Better option?  The Arbynator or a beef 'n cheddar and small curly fry?

Tried the Arbynator the other day.  Wasn't very good. 

[TallTitan34]

Tried the Arbynator the other day.  Wasn't very good.

Is it just curly fries on the beef 'n cheddar? 

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Is it just curly fries on the beef 'n cheddar?

Yah, and a crap load of horsey sauce, which sort of killed it for me.

[GGGG]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.  The most important off-day is the next one.

[Pakuni]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.  The most important off-day is the next one.

It's a classic trap off week.

[tower912]

It's ok for the fans to look past this off day to the next off day, as long as the team doesn't.   

[Herman Cain]

I don't think the hand injury prevents him from keeping in shape (cardio).  He can even dribble with his right hand

So was the bow tie a clip on or legit. That will give us our best clue as to Greg's recovery. 

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Tried the Arbynator the other day.  Wasn't very good.

[skianth16]

4.  MU is 8-2 with......Markus playing hero ball..... Sam going through a shooting slump..... inconsistent production from BB, JH, Cain, Chartouny, Morrow.    All have had their moments, but none have been consistent. 

This is the most interesting one for me. For starters, I think calling production inconsistent Brendan and Jamal is a bit of a stretch. I would call Ed and Chartouny inconsistent since they have had at least a handful of games with meaningful contributions. For Brendan and Jamal, I just don't feel like those guys have had a chance to truly impact a game yet. (although Brendan did play well against Charleston who is #306 in NET)

Joey, on the other hand, is averaging 28 minutes, 11 points, 5 boards, and 2 assists per game 10 games into his freshman season.  Sure, he was quiet against K-State, but I don't think he's in the same camp as some other guys on the team.

And then Sam I don't think is playing as poorly as some might think. He's averaging 14 pts, 7 rbs, and 2.5 asts per game so far. Shooting 38.5% from 3 is definitely a decline for him after shooting almost 50% last year, but defenses have to pay more attention to him now that we don't have a 3rd elite shooter on the floor. I'm surprised at how many good, clean looks he's missed so far, but I expect that to improve as everyone begins to solidify their roles in the offense. He may not have the ability to go off for 30 like he has the last 2 years, though, just because of the way our offense has changed this year. Since we're not going to be hitting 85-90 regularly, that's going to impact his scoring compared to past years.

[MUBigDance]

1.  When will Elliott get back and how soon will he be able contribute?
2.  How will MU play during its NEXT road game?
3.  Is Sam healthy?    I still think he looks like he is laboring from time to time.
4.  MU is 8-2 with......Markus playing hero ball..... Sam going through a shooting slump..... inconsistent production from BB, JH, Cain, Chartouny, Morrow.    All have had their moments, but none have been consistent. 
5.  What is Joey's ceiling THIS YEAR?
6.   Morrow vs Theo, who should start at the 5?
7.   Will Chartouny ever make another 3?
8.  Why does NET hate Marquette?

#2
- we've got to admit, MU has been very fortunate. The key games that we really needed to win have been at home except for LV....and even that game as well as UW were last minute and we came out on top. Lots of key home games, 2-0 on the close ones, 2 losses not unexpected to high caliber teams.

[We R Final Four]

Shooting 38.5% from 3 is definitely a decline for him after shooting almost 50% last year, but defenses have to pay more attention to him now that we don't have a 3rd elite shooter on the floor.

Sam will not force a bad play(assuming you were referring to AR/MH/SH.....and GD I love him for it. That 3rd elite shooter will present themselves because the shot is open. 3rd option shooter don’t need to be elite. They need to hit the open 3 that was given to them by the work of others. Sacar opens that up. Theo opens that up. It’s open....hit it. Maybe the milkman!
It’s actually the way
Joey/Sacar/Brendan/Jamal all can go 1:1, 2:3. Those are winning #s.

[real chili 83]

9.  Smoked meats

[real chili 83]

Nut cups

[jesmu84]

9.  Smoked meats

Arby's was already brought up

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Tried the Arbynator the other day.  Wasn't very good.

Careful, I got banned for less than this.

[BCHoopster]

I have watched Buffalo a few times, they remind of many teams in the Big East.  Very athletic, but not much size, very quick.  Lets see if MU can handle the quickness
without Elliott.  St. Johns, X, Creighton, Gtown, Providence all are about the same.  I think we have a better chance beating Villy this year then ever.  Hall will be a challenge.  DePaul and Butler.  I do not see us beating everybody at home, 8-1 is feasible and 3-6 on the road will give MU 11-7, disappointed if they do not get there.
Beat Buffalo and MU will get a nice seed in the tournament.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Will there be any transfers?

[BM1090]

I actually think of KSU, UW, Buffalo...that Buffalo is the one we match up the worst with.

11-2 non-con would be niceeeee.

[Its DJOver]

Had some time, so I looked at North Dakota's schedule.  Why have they played UWM twice?  Only time I can ever remember playing a non conference opponent twice was 2011 when we played Norfolk State twice because they upset TCU in a Thanksgiving tourney semi and played us in the final so the second time was on a neutral court.  This seems like it's a home and home with both games happening the same year.  Weird.

[LoudMouth]

Had some time, so I looked at North Dakota's schedule.  Why have they played UWM twice?  Only time I can ever remember playing a non conference opponent twice was 2011 when we played Norfolk State twice because they upset TCU in a Thanksgiving tourney semi and played us in the final so the second time was on a neutral court.  This seems like it's a home and home with both games happening the same year.  Weird.

Interestingly enough, the same goes for Buffalo and Southern Illinois

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Had some time, so I looked at North Dakota's schedule.  Why have they played UWM twice?  Only time I can ever remember playing a non conference opponent twice was 2011 when we played Norfolk State twice because they upset TCU in a Thanksgiving tourney semi and played us in the final so the second time was on a neutral court.  This seems like it's a home and home with both games happening the same year.  Weird.

It happens in the low majors more than people realize. UTEP and New Mexico State play a home and away against each other every season

[Its DJOver]

It happens in the low majors more than people realize. UTEP and New Mexico State play a home and away against each other every season

Interesting.  Learn something new everyday.

[GGGG]

It happens in the low majors more than people realize. UTEP and New Mexico State play a home and away against each other every season

That's a somewhat unique case because they are historic rivals.  Kind of like when Marquette used to play DePaul and Notre Dame home and away when they were all independents.

The UWM / North Dakota thing is more like a "let's each get a home game" kind of thing.

[muwarrior69]

Does anyone think Joey will stay after Sam graduates assuming Sam is still here for his senior season?

[GGGG]

Does anyone think Joey will stay after Sam graduates assuming Sam is still here for his senior season?

Sure.  Unless he's a first round lock.  And if he is a first round lock, he'll have a helluva season next year - which will be fun.

And Sam will be here next year.  He's not a first round player.

[MUMountin]

Sure.  Unless he's a first round lock.  And if he is a first round lock, he'll have a helluva season next year - which will be fun.

And Sam will be here next year.  He's not a first round player.

I'm hoping for three years of Joey (and Brendan).  I think he may want to have one year where he is the main guy.  And, with a hypothetical starting five of Theo/Joey/Bailey/Elliott/McEwen in 20-21, that's a strong core to return to with hopefully a few years of experience under their belts. 

But, yeah, if they go on a deep run next year, I could see him entering the draft with Sam and Markus. 

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Until Joey Hauser starts showing up in mock drafts, I will assume he is a 4 year player.

[BM1090]

I'm hoping for three years of Joey (and Brendan).  I think he may want to have one year where he is the main guy.  And, with a hypothetical starting five of Theo/Joey/Bailey/Elliott/McEwen in 20-21, that's a strong core to return to with hopefully a few years of experience under their belts. 

But, yeah, if they go on a deep run next year, I could see him entering the draft with Sam and Markus.

I'd be surprised if any of the four guys you listed left early for the draft

[The Lens]

Until Joey Hauser starts showing up in mock drafts, I will assume he is a 4 year player.

What's the difference between Henry and Joey beyond hype?

Henry might be a better rebounder and Henry had moves to get that 15 footer that looked really smooth...but the 15 footer never went in.  Joey can shoot it.

[MUMountin]

I'd be surprised if any of the four guys you listed left early for the draft

I think I only listed two possibilities--I expect Sam and Markus both to stay through their senior seasons ("next year").

But Bailey and Joey I think there is a possibility that either could leave after their junior year.  Bailey is the son of a long-time NBA player who will be 23 years old after three years.  And with Joey's size, handle, and IQ, I think he has a decent shot--a poor man's Ellenson, who left after only one.  I'd love it if they both stayed for all four, but won't be surprised if we lost either early.

[Herman Cain]

That's a somewhat unique case because they are historic rivals.  Kind of like when Marquette used to play DePaul and Notre Dame home and away when they were all independents.

The UWM / North Dakota thing is more like a "let's each get a home game" kind of thing.

MU also played Wisconsin, Xavier and Detroit home and home back in the day

[mu03eng]

What's the difference between Henry and Joey beyond hype?

Henry might be a better rebounder and Henry had moves to get that 15 footer that looked really smooth...but the 15 footer never went in.  Joey can shoot it.

I've wondered the same thing.

[GGGG]

What's the difference between Henry and Joey beyond hype?

Henry might be a better rebounder and Henry had moves to get that 15 footer that looked really smooth...but the 15 footer never went in.  Joey can shoot it.

The key is the last sentence.  Joey can shoot it.  I'm not going to make predictions until this year is wrapped up, but Joey's EFG is over 100 points higher fueled by a much better shooting percentage from 3:  .393 versus .288 by Henry.

But there is a lot more season left to go, and BE will be a lot harder. 

[Pakuni]

What's the difference between Henry and Joey beyond hype?

Henry might be a better rebounder and Henry had moves to get that 15 footer that looked really smooth...but the 15 footer never went in.  Joey can shoot it.

Henry was two inches taller and more athletic.
That matters very much to NBA people. Skill can be taught, size and athleticism cannot, so the thinking goes.

[Jay Bee]

What's the difference between Henry and Joey beyond hype?

Henry might be a better rebounder and Henry had moves to get that 15 footer that looked really smooth...but the 15 footer never went in.  Joey can shoot it.

...back to 2015 we go...

Joey's comp would be Henry... he's not where Henry was at this stage, but some similarities in what they can do at their size (at a high-level)... Joey has a couple inches on Sam and is well built. Still, his upper body isn't where it'll eventually be and as he gains strength it's only going to make him more of a menace.

He can work on the block, he can pop out and knock down the three and he can run the floor and finish quite well. Both he and Sam defend all sorts of players, including small guards... and do so with success. I had Sam at a ~40-70 type range... I could see Joey a bit better.. maybe 25-45ish.. if he works on his strength and just keeps improving though, there is a very high upside for him.

Like Sam, Joey can pass the ball as well. Some well-delivered dishes cross-court.

What might stand out most about both of them is their calmness and confidence on the court. They both look incredibly comfortable. Both do make highlight-reel plays, but even with those there is a unique smoothness and confidence. Under-control. Relative to what many freshmen go through, their transition to D-I basketball may be a little easier for them because of their make-up.

[skianth16]

I think I only listed two possibilities--I expect Sam and Markus both to stay through their senior seasons ("next year").

But Bailey and Joey I think there is a possibility that either could leave after their junior year.  Bailey is the son of a long-time NBA player who will be 23 years old after three years.  And with Joey's size, handle, and IQ, I think he has a decent shot--a poor man's Ellenson, who left after only one.  I'd love it if they both stayed for all four, but won't be surprised if we lost either early.

I'm not sure that's a pro in the eyes of NBA scouts. He's going to have to make some big time improvements to be getting looks from the NBA. There are plenty of long, athletic wing types in the college ranks. He'll have to do more than look the part.

[GGGG]

Yeah there is nothing about Bailey's game to date to suggest he'll be anything but a four year player.  Just because you are older, that doesn't mean squat.  When an NBA team drafts someone, they are only making a four year commitment to a guy anyway. 

[Nukem2]

Yeah there is nothing about Bailey's game to date to suggest he'll be anything but a four year player.  Just because you are older, that doesn't mean squat.  When an NBA team drafts someone, they are only making a four year commitment to a guy anyway.

I would agree on your first sentance.  And his age is probably working against him for now re the NBA unless he makes some rapid strides.

[TallTitan34]

Do we still have the gray jerseys?  I know a lot of people didn't like them but they were my favorite of the bunch.

The Sam STOG picture made me think of that. 

[Jay Bee]

When an NBA team drafts someone, they are only making a four year commitment to a guy anyway.

#FakeNews
#Lies

*two-year*

[MUMountin]

And his age is probably working against him for now re the NBA unless he makes some rapid strides.

I didn't articulate what I was thinking well in my first point.  What I was thinking about his age is not that it will make him more desirable for NBA teams, but that might actually force him to take his chances earlier and not stick around all four years. 

But--and obviously this is the most important part--I agree that he's got a lot to work on before he gets there or really is even in that conversation.  I just was thinking more hypothetically that with his bloodlines if he does put it all together in the next 2-3 years, he probably won't be a 24-year old senior for us.

[skianth16]

I just was thinking more hypothetically that with his bloodlines if he does put it all together in the next 2-3 years, he probably won't be a 24-year old senior for us.

What makes him more memorable? A good MU career with a stint in the pros, or becoming the new Brian Cardinal? Imagine if Bailey were to redshirt too! He could be 25 and still on campus.

I know which model I'd lean toward if I were in his shoes....

[leever]

1.  When will Elliott get back and how soon will he be able contribute?
2.  How will MU play during its NEXT road game?
3.  Is Sam healthy?    I still think he looks like he is laboring from time to time.
4.  MU is 8-2 with......Markus playing hero ball..... Sam going through a shooting slump..... inconsistent production from BB, JH, Cain, Chartouny, Morrow.    All have had their moments, but none have been consistent. 
5.  What is Joey's ceiling THIS YEAR?
6.   Morrow vs Theo, who should start at the 5?
7.   Will Chartouny ever make another 3?
8.  Why does NET hate Marquette?

7.  Will Chartouny ever make another LAYUP?

[manny31]

Here is something to talk about...
We have one more scholarship for next year, or do we? One for sure and what about Ike? How would folks like to see the scholarship(s) used, a high school kid or a grad transfer? I know we will take the best player available but we have time to discuss hypotheticals. At what position do we have the most need?

[mu03eng]

Here is something to talk about...
We have one more scholarship for next year, or do we? One for sure and what about Ike? How would folks like to see the scholarship(s) used, a high school kid or a grad transfer? I know we will take the best player available but we have time to discuss hypotheticals. At what position do we have the most need?

It's safe to say they will have at least two scholarships open next season. Either Ike can't play and/or someone transfers (Wojo has always had at least one transfer). Not a bad thing per se just facts.

I think they need to recruit a PG and a big with the two scholarships they are going to have.

[MUMountin]

Here is something to talk about...
We have one more scholarship for next year, or do we? One for sure and what about Ike? How would folks like to see the scholarship(s) used, a high school kid or a grad transfer? I know we will take the best player available but we have time to discuss hypotheticals. At what position do we have the most need?

I’d say traditional transfer or late bloomer HS kid.  Barring injury or major transfer out, there will not be a lot of available minutes next year unless they can jump either Sacar (as a senior) or the Morrow/John center combo.  So tough to sell a grad transfer unless a perfect fit.

I think you are looking more at need for 20-21 and beyond, so a good transfer who has to sit for a year, improve their game and help on scout team would be the best IMO.  Or bank it for the class of ‘20.

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

I’d say traditional transfer or late bloomer HS kid.  Barring injury or major transfer out, there will not be a lot of available minutes next year unless they can jump either Sacar (as a senior) or the Morrow/John center combo.  So tough to sell a grad transfer unless a perfect fit.

I think you are looking more at need for 20-21 and beyond, so a good transfer who has to sit for a year, improve their game and help on scout team would be the best IMO.  Or bank it for the class of ‘20.

I know what you meant but I laughed/winced when you wrote "traditional".

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

What's the difference between Henry and Joey beyond hype?

Henry might be a better rebounder and Henry had moves to get that 15 footer that looked really smooth...but the 15 footer never went in.  Joey can shoot it.

Henry has the size of an NBA PF/C.  Joey has the size of a SF/PF.

Henry had experience with USA Basketball so he was on the scouting radar while still in HS.  Joey is just starting to get exposure.  Being considered an NBA prospect is half the battle.

Henry benefited from timing.  A very weak 2016 NBA draft allowed Henry to be drafted much higher than he normally would.

They're games are completely different.   They are kinda, sorta similar at first glance.  But Henry was a much better rebounder and shot blocker as a frosh, and he was a high usage, low efficiency player.  He also had a lower turnover rate.

Joey is a better shooter in every category,  a medium usage player with high efficiency,  and has a better assist rate.

Joey is more like Kyle Singler than he is Henry.  Singler was a 4 year player at Duke and, IIRC, a 2nd round pick.  He's also had a solid career as a role player.  Henry had the size, potential,  and draft timing to be the 18th pick in 2016.  But that doesn't mean Joey can't have the better long term career.

[muwarrior69]

So will Wojo use our open schollie on another senior transfer or hold it for '20 class or is there a recruit out there still considering MU that wojo would sign?

[Skip Intro]

I’d say traditional transfer or late bloomer HS kid.  Barring injury or major transfer out, there will not be a lot of available minutes next year unless they can jump either Sacar (as a senior) or the Morrow/John center combo.  So tough to sell a grad transfer unless a perfect fit.

I think you are looking more at need for 20-21 and beyond, so a good transfer who has to sit for a year, improve their game and help on scout team would be the best IMO.  Or bank it for the class of ‘20.

Here we go:  http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25517582/kentucky-guard-quade-green-transferring

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

MU can't take a mid-year transfer. All scholarships are filled.

[🏀]

MU can't take a mid-year transfer. All scholarships are filled.

Currently.

[TinyTimsLittleBrother]

Currently.

Once a scholarship is filled it is filled for the year. Even if someone transfers mid year, Marquette could not use his scholarship.

[Archies Bat]

Once a scholarship is filled it is filled for the year. Even if someone transfers mid year, Marquette could not use his scholarship.

A player could pay his own way the second semester I believe.  IIRC, Luke Fischer paid the 2nd semester when transferring from Indiana.

I'm not sure many would pay, but believe it is allowed.

[ducs]

Freeway attended the UTEP game.

I saw him at Oscars last week. Talked Bucks a little bit.

[Herman Cain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm6gT7SK4A8