RIP George H. W. Bush

[Herman Cain]

RIP George Bush. 

[ZiggysFryBoy]

RIP George Bush.

The end of bipartisanship in the US.  "Read my lips, no new taxes." Followed by a compromise tax bill with the D's.

Then the D's called.bush a tax raiser and history has shown the results.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Then the D's called.bush a tax raiser and history has shown the results.

It was the R's that took him down for this, not the D's.

[tower912]

God's blessings upon him and his family.  Resquiat in pace.

[dgies9156]

Fine man.

Good President.

Bad promise.

President Bush served our country well in war and peace. What was a typical Bush moment was the instructions after the Berlin Wall fell. "No gloating," was the word from the White House. We'd won the Cold War and President Bush knew we had to win the peace.

He accepted the 1992 elections with grace and good humor and, amazingly, found a friend in Bill Clinton. Heck, even "W" was calling Bill Clinton "my other brother hanging around with my Dad!"

[WarriorDad]

RIP George Bush.

Indeed. 1000 points of light, kindler gentler nation, war vet.  Some things do not agree with him on, but seemed to be person of decency.

[GGGG]

The end of bipartisanship in the US.  "Read my lips, no new taxes." Followed by a compromise tax bill with the D's.

Then the D's called.bush a tax raiser and history has shown the results.

[rocket surgeon]

RIP H dubya-hard to find much fault there except the read my...had the football pulled out from him...but who hasn't...was an all round great guy-RIP

[Golden Avalanche]

The end of bipartisanship in the US.  "Read my lips, no new taxes." Followed by a compromise tax bill with the D's.

Then the D's called.bush a tax raiser and history has shown the results.

You're wrong. Unsure if it's purposeful or out of ignorance.

When HW Bush enacted the tax rise, the right wing of the GOP sowed the seeds of revolt. It evolved into the primary as bloodsport version of politics which is ever present to this day. It also allowed for a more conservative message to become mainstream with a news channel that, ironically, had a strong hand in seeing his son chosen as President.

Final note, HW Bush was not a great President but he was far better then most remember and/or most wish to acknowledge. His positioning with German unification could be argued as the most important brick laid in the foundation of a new Europe. A Europe that the current POTUS wishes to dismantle.

[GooooMarquette]

A decent and honorable man.

Rest In Peace.

[Mutaman]

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a25371742/george-hw-bush-dies-94-republican-party/

[GGGG]

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a25371742/george-hw-bush-dies-94-republican-party/

Marquette's finest.

[Jockey]

You're wrong. Unsure if it's purposeful or out of ignorance.

When HW Bush enacted the tax rise, the right wing of the GOP sowed the seeds of revolt. It evolved into the primary as bloodsport version of politics which is ever present to this day. It also allowed for a more conservative message to become mainstream with a news channel that, ironically, had a strong hand in seeing his son chosen as President.

Final note, HW Bush was not a great President but he was far better then most remember and/or most wish to acknowledge. His positioning with German unification could be argued as the most important brick laid in the foundation of a new Europe. A Europe that the current POTUS wishes to dismantle.

Brought about the rise of Newt with his hate politics that continues to this day.

[WarriorDad]

Marquette's finest.

Pierce ravaged him when he was President, however.

Good thing what started as a nice tribute, is becoming political.  The man is dead, did some good things and not so good things.  RIP Mr. President.  I didn't vote for you, but respect you.

[Mutaman]

Pierce ravaged him when he was President, however.

Chicos obviously didn't read the article.

Charlie is just one of several triggers that will cause Chicos to come out of the woodwork.

[GGGG]

Pierce ravaged him when he was President, however.

Good thing what started as a nice tribute, is becoming political.  The man is dead, did some good things and not so good things.  RIP Mr. President.  I didn't vote for you, but respect you.

Wake up.  Everything is political.

[Billy Hoyle]

A decent and honorable man.

Rest In Peace.

escalation of the racist drug war, particularly the entrapment of a high school kid for a publicity stunt (a kid that served 8.5 years in jail), an integral part the GOP's Southern Strategy during his days in the CIA, the invasion of Iraq based upon falsehoods (runs in the family, I guess) and ordering troops to set oil wells on fire and other subsequent war crimes, Willie Horton, ignoring HIV . Yeah, honorable....

The day after OJ Simpson dies we'll read nothing but platitudes about how great he was as a football player and as Officer Norberg and that whole murder thing, well, we can't speak ill of the dead...

[ZiggysFryBoy]

escalation of the racist drug war, particularly the entrapment of a high school kid for a publicity stunt (a kid that served 8.5 years in jail), an integral part the GOP's Southern Strategy during his days in the CIA, the invasion of Iraq based upon falsehoods (runs in the family, I guess) and ordering troops to set oil wells on fire and other subsequent war crimes, Willie Horton, ignoring HIV . Yeah, honorable....

The day after OJ Simpson dies we'll read nothing but platitudes about how great he was as a football player and as Officer Norberg and that whole murder thing, well, we can't speak ill of the dead...

Masterlock.

[HouWarrior]

George moved his family here to Houston in 1958...and hung around long enough to see his Astros win the WS. lol

Almost none of the local news coverage refers to anything political. Rather almost all local memories center on folks' friendly encounters with a true gentleman.

I did not dare impose or approach him, but I recall stopping in Tanglewood Pharmacy...he walked past me toward the back where he was simply meeting some friends for coffee. Just an unassuming guy meeting for coffee. Nothing fancy.

This is a man appreciated here for his humanity, kindness, courtesy and self deprecation. Houstonians are proud of this man...he was a good person. RIP

[Lennys Tap]

escalation of the racist drug war, particularly the entrapment of a high school kid for a publicity stunt (a kid that served 8.5 years in jail), an integral part the GOP's Southern Strategy during his days in the CIA, the invasion of Iraq based upon falsehoods (runs in the family, I guess) and ordering troops to set oil wells on fire and other subsequent war crimes, Willie Horton, ignoring HIV . Yeah, honorable....

The day after OJ Simpson dies we'll read nothing but platitudes about how great he was as a football player and as Officer Norberg and that whole murder thing, well, we can't speak ill of the dead...

41 was more accomplished at 20 than you'll be when you die. Despicable post from a despicable guy.

[mu03eng]

escalation of the racist drug war, particularly the entrapment of a high school kid for a publicity stunt (a kid that served 8.5 years in jail), an integral part the GOP's Southern Strategy during his days in the CIA, the invasion of Iraq based upon falsehoods (runs in the family, I guess) and ordering troops to set oil wells on fire and other subsequent war crimes, Willie Horton, ignoring HIV . Yeah, honorable....

The day after OJ Simpson dies we'll read nothing but platitudes about how great he was as a football player and as Officer Norberg and that whole murder thing, well, we can't speak ill of the dead...

[TSmith34, Inc.]

41 was more accomplished at 20 than you'll be when you die. Despicable post from a despicable guy.

It is possible to be both very accomplished and to have taken the actions and policy stances that Billy Hoyle pointed out.  That is why I thought Charlie Pierce’s analysis was spot on— some of the things he did and said seemed to be done as matters of politics more than from his personal viewpoint.  As Charlie said, his ambition overrode his better nature at times.

[mu03eng]

It is possible to be both very accomplished and to have taken the actions and policy stances that Billy Hoyle pointed out.  That is why I thought Charlie Pierce’s analysis was spot on— some of the things he did and said seemed to be done as matters of politics more than from his personal viewpoint.  As Charlie said, his ambition overrode his better nature at times.

Wait, you are saying a politician did things to generate political power so they could take action? What??? At some point we are going to have to realize because of the way society has constructed the game all politicians are "dirty" these days. It's a sport with power = winning, and everyone wants to back a winner.

In all seriousness, I don't recall all the ins and outs of the Bush 41 years but what I saw then and what I've read since, he was one of the last politicians that used power not for the sake of power but for the advancement of what he thought were the morally correct things. You could disagree with his policies or positions but not really with his intent. I think 44 had some of that in him as well.

[GGGG]

In all seriousness, I don't recall all the ins and outs of the Bush 41 years but what I saw then and what I've read since, he was one of the last politicians that used power not for the sake of power but for the advancement of what he thought were the morally correct things.

Oh FFS, are you sh*tting me?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Wait, you are saying a politician did things to generate political power so they could take action? What??? At some point we are going to have to realize because of the way society has constructed the game all politicians are "dirty" these days. It's a sport with power = winning, and everyone wants to back a winner.

In all seriousness, I don't recall all the ins and outs of the Bush 41 years but what I saw then and what I've read since, he was one of the last politicians that used power not for the sake of power but for the advancement of what he thought were the morally correct things. You could disagree with his policies or positions but not really with his intent. I think 44 had some of that in him as well.

I was reacting to Lenny’s post that seemed to imply that because Bush was accomplished it was out of bounds to criticize his policies.  And I was agreeing with Pierce that some of those policies were pretty bad ethical lapses that he took anyway even though they may have been against his personal nature.

[Lighthouse 84]

Oh FFS, are you sh*tting me?

Here we go. 

In before the lock. 

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Oh FFS, are you sh*tting me?

Pontificate, Pontiff.  Let's hear it.

[Lennys Tap]

I was reacting to Lenny’s post that seemed to imply that because Bush was accomplished it was out of bounds to criticize his policies.  And I was agreeing with Pierce that some of those policies were pretty bad ethical lapses that he took anyway even though they may have been against his personal nature.

Smitty, if you think Hoyle's post (including comparing 41 to OJ) was an example of pointing out policy differences I'm surprised and won't even conjure a reply.

[nyg]

Don't really care about what his political agendas were, respect the man and the office.  President Bush enlisted in the Navy two weeks after high school to fight in WWII.  He could have enrolled in Yale, but did not.  He wanted to fight for his country at age 19 in order to protect the rights we have in this country.   He flew 58 missions, was shot down and lost two of his airmen.

Went on to serve over 60 years of service to the U.S. as a congressman, ambassador, CIA Director, Vice President and has a freaking nuclear aircraft carrier named after him.  The sight of those Navy sailors from the USS George H.W. Bush, lined up on the runway at Andrews Air Force base was awesome. 

RIP Mr. President

[GGGG]

Here we go. 

In before the lock.

I'm not making political statements.  People just have to stop with the over the top statements like GHWB was one of the last politicians who did things because he felt they were morally correct.

Many politicians, on both sides, do things all the time because they feel they are morally correct and not simply to advance power.  I mean seriously. 

[Vogue 66]

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a25371742/george-hw-bush-dies-94-republican-party/

Says it all, and then some, the last Republican I voted for.   RIP, but what hath you wrought?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Smitty, if you think Hoyle's post (including comparing 41 to OJ) was an example of pointing out policy differences I'm surprised and won't even conjure a reply.

His post was inflamatory, no doubt, and intentionally so.  And probably not a good way to start a serious debate (and avoid a locked thread).

But there are lot of horrible (IMO) things —IranContra, the f up that lead to the Iraq-Kuwait war in the first place—that shouldn’t simply be ignored because he was also accomplished,

[GGGG]

His post was inflamatory, no doubt, and intentionally so.  And probably not a good way to start a serious debate (and avoid a locked thread).

But there are lot of horrible (IMO) things —IranContra, the f up that lead to the Iraq-Kuwait war in the first place—that shouldn’t simply be ignored because he was also accomplished,

We like to whitewash.  It makes us feel better.

[Mutaman]

These comments lead me to assume that, like Poppy Bush, a lot of folks were "out of the loop" on the Iran-Contra affair. Maybe they left it out of recent history books.

[Lennys Tap]

His post was inflamatory, no doubt, and intentionally so.  And probably not a good way to start a serious debate (and avoid a locked thread).

But there are lot of horrible (IMO) things —IranContra, the f up that lead to the Iraq-Kuwait war in the first place—that shouldn’t simply be ignored because he was also accomplished,

Guess what? Lots of stuff (IMO) horrible about the Carter, Clinton and Obama white houses. There was plenty of time to note all of this during their lives and a fair reading of history will further document them. But at their respective funerals I'll have the decency to let those who thought well of those leaders celebrate what they consider their accomplishments.

[GGGG]

Guess what? Lots of stuff (IMO) horrible about the Carter, Clinton and Obama white houses. There was plenty of time to note all of this during their lives and a fair reading of history will further document them. But at their respective funerals I'll have the decency to let those who thought well of those leaders celebrate what they consider their accomplishments.

I guess. But the problem is that it trends toward exaggeration. Which isn’t healthy. 

[rocket surgeon]

George moved his family here to Houston in 1958...and hung around long enough to see his Astros win the WS. lol

Almost none of the local news coverage refers to anything political. Rather almost all local memories center on folks' friendly encounters with a true gentleman.

I did not dare impose or approach him, but I recall stopping in Tanglewood Pharmacy...he walked past me toward the back where he was simply meeting some friends for coffee. Just an unassuming guy meeting for coffee. Nothing fancy.

This is a man appreciated here for his humanity, kindness, courtesy and self deprecation. Houstonians are proud of this man...he was a good person. RIP

This is the type of post that should be on any obituary post.  You others would kick an old lady if she were down...have some respect for cryin out loud and take your dis to mother jones where someone might listen

[GGGG]

This is the type of post that should be on any obituary post.  You others would kick an old lady if she were down...have some respect for cryin out loud and take your dis to mother jones where someone might listen

So "respect" means speaking in never ending platitudes about the guy? 

[Lennys Tap]

So "respect" means speaking in never ending platitudes about the guy?

I suppose at every funeral you attend you make sure you correct the eulogies so they are in line with your opinion of the deceased. Sheesh.

[GGGG]

I suppose at every funeral you attend you make sure you correct the eulogies so they are in line with your opinion of the deceased. Sheesh.

I'm not attending his funeral.  I am posting about his death on a college basketball message board.

[Lennys Tap]

I'm not attending his funeral.  I am posting about his death on a college basketball message board.

Well I guess to some that would make you a little less of a dick. But only a little.

[GGGG]

Well I guess to some that would make you a little less of a dick. But only a little.

I haven't really said anything about him.  Just about the over-the-top nonsense that everyone else is saying.

And if that makes me "a dick" in your eyes....oh well...

[tower912]

Distasteful.  A flawed human being, like the rest of us.  Regardless of my political thoughts about him, I choose to show him the respect I would hope others will show me.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I'm not attending his funeral.  I am posting about his death on a college basketball message board.

Go Warriors!

[Lennys Tap]

Distasteful.  A flawed human being, like the rest of us.  Regardless of my political thoughts about him, I choose to show him the respect I would hope others will show me.

Thank you.

Family, friends political allies and admirers share stories, write eulogies. Political opponents (like yourself) offer condolences, show respect.

Used to be a given. Not any more.

[naginiF]

The man should be honored for the good he did for the country and humanity in general.  He clearly was a man of great dedication (both to country and family) and appears to have been a man who tried to do the right thing in all aspects of his life.

However, some of his actions unquestionably had serious negative impacts.  Some may have been unforeseen, some may have been for the greater good.  That comes with the territory when you are at the highest levels of the US government for 40 years and live until 94.  It's also, 2018 and those people on the receiving end of his actions have a voice and should allowed to voice the pain they've felt.  It doesn't mean he wasn't a great individual who did great things, it means if we ignore the oversights we aren't looking at the whole picture. 

I hope that if he could do it all over again he would have addressed the AIDS epidemic differently than he had.  That does not take away from any of his great achievements.

[GGGG]

The man should be honored for the good he did for the country and humanity in general.  He clearly was a man of great dedication (both to country and family) and appears to have been a man who tried to do the right thing in all aspects of his life.

However, some of his actions unquestionably had serious negative impacts.  Some may have been unforeseen, some may have been for the greater good.  That comes with the territory when you are at the highest levels of the US government for 40 years and live until 94.  It's also, 2018 and those people on the receiving end of his actions have a voice and should allowed to voice the pain they've felt.  It doesn't mean he wasn't a great individual who did great things, it means if we ignore the oversights we aren't looking at the whole picture. 

I hope that if he could do it all over again he would have addressed the AIDS epidemic differently than he had.  That does not take away from any of his great achievements.

I mean...yeah.  And nothing about that is disrespectful. 

[Lighthouse 84]

I'm not making political statements.  People just have to stop with the over the top statements like GHWB was one of the last politicians who did things because he felt they were morally correct.

Many politicians, on both sides, do things all the time because they feel they are morally correct and not simply to advance power.  I mean seriously.

When Obama passes away,and out of respect for another human being I hope it’s not for years and years, I hope you’ll have the same belief and not be respectful of another dead president. I’ll bet that won’t be the case.   But since you’ve already spoken,  I guess we have to go with that and the rest of us are wrong.

[GGGG]

When Obama passes away,and out of respect for another human being I hope it’s not for years and years, I hope you’ll have the same belief and not be respectful of another dead president. I’ll bet that won’t be the case.   But since you’ve already spoken,  I guess we have to go with that and the rest of us are wrong.

First, I won’t care what people say about Obama. I don’t hung up on any of this stuff. Platitudes annoy me regardless of who they’re directed toward.

Second, what exactly have I said that is disrespectful?

[Benny B]

It doesn’t take much intelligence to see past the bad to the good.

God or the FSM help all y’all focused on the bad.  Bush 41 was the last of a breed who made public service his primary motivation... the man enlisted during WWII and since his presidency, we’ve had four presidents who did everything they could to avoid military service, yet couldn’t wait to cash in on their presidency (three of whom at least waited until afterwards).

Every president must act in a utilitarian manner at times in furtherance to society.  Quibbling over who he should have appointed to the Supreme Court, how he should have handled Desert Storm, whether he should/shouldn’t have kept campaign promises, etc. is so very simple minded.

Not everyone agrees with his policies or methods, but remember, the person who looks to please everyone pleases no one.

[Golden Avalanche]

For those who are feeling offended that HW is being "disrespected", does the strong reaction have to do with HW being (arguably) the last GOP potus that men of a certain age feel pride about his administration?

[Lennys Tap]

For those who are feeling offended that HW is being "disrespected", does the strong reaction have to do with HW being (arguably) the last GOP potus that men of a certain age feel pride about his administration?

No

[GGGG]

nm

[4everwarriors]

Nads will get dis wear it kneeds ta bee write quickly, hey?

[tower912]

GHWB was a decent man.   Of course, as a politician, he made decisions I didn't and don't like.    But there was never a doubt about his fundamental decency.   He could laugh at himself.    He could work with others who didn't share his political visions.   His note to President Clinton was pure class and was an example for all of us in how we should handle ourselves.    And they eventually became good friends.    Think about that.    Becoming friends and working together with someone who defeated you in a bitter campaign.   Kudos to both.

The contrast with current events and politicians is stark.    I won't belabor the point but would ask you to ponder what is happening in state legislatures and DC these days in comparison to the class and dignity with which GHWB conducted himself during the transition of power to President Clinton.   

   An old Irish saying.... we won't see the likes of him again.   

[mu03eng]

GHWB was a decent man.   Of course, as a politician, he made decisions I didn't and don't like.    But there was never a doubt about his fundamental decency.   He could laugh at himself.    He could work with others who didn't share his political visions.   His note to President Clinton was pure class and was an example for all of us in how we should handle ourselves.    And they eventually became good friends.    Think about that.    Becoming friends and working together with someone who defeated you in a bitter campaign.   Kudos to both.

The contrast with current events and politicians is stark.    I won't belabor the point but would ask you to ponder what is happening in state legislatures and DC these days in comparison to the class and dignity with which GHWB conducted himself during the transition of power to President Clinton.   

   An old Irish saying.... we won't see the likes of him again.

This is exactly what I'm trying to say.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

GHWB was a decent man.   Of course, as a politician, he made decisions I didn't and don't like.    But there was never a doubt about his fundamental decency.   He could laugh at himself.    He could work with others who didn't share his political visions.   His note to President Clinton was pure class and was an example for all of us in how we should handle ourselves.    And they eventually became good friends.    Think about that.    Becoming friends and working together with someone who defeated you in a bitter campaign.   Kudos to both.

The contrast with current events and politicians is stark.    I won't belabor the point but would ask you to ponder what is happening in state legislatures and DC these days in comparison to the class and dignity with which GHWB conducted himself during the transition of power to President Clinton.   

   An old Irish saying.... we won't see the likes of him again.

+1

[reinko]

This is a take I can agree with...

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/we-over-honor-our-presidents/

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I agree with your agreement.

[Golden Avalanche]

GHWB was a decent man.   Of course, as a politician, he made decisions I didn't and don't like.    But there was never a doubt about his fundamental decency.   He could laugh at himself.    He could work with others who didn't share his political visions.   His note to President Clinton was pure class and was an example for all of us in how we should handle ourselves.    And they eventually became good friends.    Think about that.    Becoming friends and working together with someone who defeated you in a bitter campaign.   Kudos to both.

The contrast with current events and politicians is stark.    I won't belabor the point but would ask you to ponder what is happening in state legislatures and DC these days in comparison to the class and dignity with which GHWB conducted himself during the transition of power to President Clinton.   

   An old Irish saying.... we won't see the likes of him again.

Large portion of Republican electeds who never forgave John McCain for being friendly with Barack Obama after 2008. It could happen more often in a private way than normal citizens will ever know but the public display of the friendship may be rejected as a result of avoiding the scorn that could come from colleagues.

[manny31]

Hell yeah Bob Dole! Way to represent!
Rest In Peace Mr. President.

[Jockey]

Large portion of Republican electeds who never forgave John McCain for being friendly with Barack Obama after 2008. It could happen more often in a private way than normal citizens will ever know but the public display of the friendship may be rejected as a result of avoiding the scorn that could come from colleagues.

If a man does something strictly for the purpose of avoiding scorn from his colleagues, he is not a man.

[Goose]

The passing of President Bush has hit home for me. First off, I am a very big fan of the entire Bush family and appreciate their service. In addition, it makes me think and remember my own Dad, who would be 97 and was a WWII vet as well.
My prayers are in full force for the Bush family. Their class and service to our country are greatly appreciated. Today, I will grieve the loss of a truly special man.

[rocket surgeon]

The passing of President Bush has hit home for me. First off, I am a very big fan of the entire Bush family and appreciate their service. In addition, it makes me think and remember my own Dad, who would be 97 and was a WWII vet as well.
My prayers are in full force for the Bush family. Their class and service to our country are greatly appreciated. Today, I will grieve the loss of a truly special man.

  As you well know goose, good, honest, hard working, honorable people, especially vets are becoming a vanishing breed.  All we can say is that we knew some of them.  Whether or not we can live up to these standards is questionable, but it sure in the H-E-double hockey sticks is worth a try.  At least we have the memories of what a good decent person is supposed to look like.  As for myself, gotta  leave that for other good ones and Him to opine on, not in my pay grade man

And gosh darn it jockey, your statement above was incredibly cool-makes me wanna have a beer(n.a. of course) with ya over that one 😳

[Goose]

rocket

I am going to die trying to live up to those standards. Not a day goes by that I do not think about the sacrifices my parents made for their country and family. We got to keep the fight!!

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

  As you well know goose, good, honest, hard working, honorable people, especially vets are becoming a vanishing breed.

I don’t know that I understand the intent of your statement.  I know plenty of vets that fit this description. 

[tower912]

There is a growing number of vets getting into politics right now.   

[Cheeks]

Chicos obviously didn't read the article.

Charlie is just one of several triggers that will cause Chicos to come out of the woodwork.

If your statement was true, I would have come out, but this is my first response to this thread.  The article was ok.  Charlie isn't MU's finest in my opinion, especially in the journalism sector. 

escalation of the racist drug war, particularly the entrapment of a high school kid for a publicity stunt (a kid that served 8.5 years in jail), an integral part the GOP's Southern Strategy during his days in the CIA, the invasion of Iraq based upon falsehoods (runs in the family, I guess) and ordering troops to set oil wells on fire and other subsequent war crimes, Willie Horton, ignoring HIV . Yeah, honorable....

The day after OJ Simpson dies we'll read nothing but platitudes about how great he was as a football player and as Officer Norberg and that whole murder thing, well, we can't speak ill of the dead...

Half of what you wrote, at least, is absurd.  I'll leave it there. 

[GGGG]

  As you well know goose, good, honest, hard working, honorable people, especially vets are becoming a vanishing breed.

Not really.

[rocket surgeon]

I don’t know that I understand the intent of your statement.  I know plenty of vets that fit this description.

  i was referring to guys like goose's dad, g.w. and that era of vets. 

glad to know you know "plenty" of vets.  these people who make the sacrifice and the ultimate sacrifice for our country are special people.

big shout to keefe!

[rocket surgeon]

Not really.

some of you guys just can't help yourselves.  maybe they're all moving to the small cities err something

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

  i was referring to guys like goose's dad, g.w. and that era of vets. 

glad to know you know "plenty" of vets.  these people who make the sacrifice and the ultimate sacrifice for our country are special people.

big shout to keefe!

Ok.  Not sure why you need to put quotes around plenty.

I agree those that serve had definitely made a great sacrifice — one greater than me for sure. 

[Goose]

rocket
I understood your point the first time I read it. Thanks for your post!!

[rocket surgeon]

Ok.  Not sure why you need to put quotes around plenty.

I agree those that serve had definitely made a great sacrifice — one greater than me for sure.

good question-sorry...