BE Coaches Rank Conference Jobs

[MU82]

Where's the Scooper with that dead horse pdf when we need it?

Ners, as one who loved Buzz (as a coach) and now really thinks highly of Wojo, I've just got two words for you:

Seek help.

[Floorslapper]

Yes

This is the best part right here. Uses the fact that players were top 100 recruits as the only proof that they were great players.....and then complains about two top 100 recruits getting playing time

Ugh.

Not again.  Playing Top 100 FRESHMAN, Cohen (or Top 100 Senior Juan Anderson) in front of/more minutes than Top 50 Sophomore Burton was idiotic. 

Nobody with a shred of objectivity would say that Sandy Cohen or Juan Anderson belonged on the court ahead of Deonte Burton.  Period.  End of story.

[Its DJOver]

Enough of this off-season BS.  The 2018-19 season starts in three days.  This season.  The one where we have higher expectations and more talent than any other in the Wojo era, and people are still arguing about coaching decisions made 4 years ago.  Enough already.  Everybody drop it, because I've seen this pissing contest enough times to know that nobody is going to win it.  Instead of talking about who should or should not have played and how much the did in a past season, discuss the upcoming one. 

[Newsdreams]

Pretty simple:

Awful roster management and decision-making upon taking the job. The results speak for themselves.  4-14 Big East Year 1.  Missed NIT Year 2.  NCAA tourney 1st round exit Year 3 (with 2 of Buzz's guys playing prominent roles).  Year 4.  Missed NCAA.

When you inherit 4, Top 100 sophomores, and have the all-time worst PG at MU as a senior - you don't max his minutes, and bring in a grad transfer.  You max the F out of your talented sophomores, and invest into the future of your program.

You really think if you played Duane at the 1, Dawson at the 2, JJJ at the 3, Deonte at the 4 and Luke Fischer at the 5, all as sophomores, that team wouldn't have grown to be an NCAA caliber team in Year 2 of the regime with a few new recruits added as back ups?

Instead most of those guys got sit behind guys like Derrick Wilson, Juan Anderson, and Sandy F'in Cohen.

It was almost as bad in Year 2, trying to play Haanif Cheatham at PG, when you had a pure PG on the roster in Traci Carter.

Thankfully Wojo seems to have made some progress in his player personnel management and in-game coaching.  His yoga practice seems to be helping him manage his manic, knee-jerk coaching decisions that plagued his first couple of years.

This will be copy pasted by NERS rinse and repeat. Can't wait 'till Tuesday. Does Dawson have any eligibility left??? Dawson > JC !!!

[wadesworld]

Ugh.

Not again.  Playing Top 100 FRESHMAN, Cohen (or Top 100 Senior Juan Anderson) in front of/more minutes than Top 50 Sophomore Burton was idiotic. 

Nobody with a shred of objectivity would say that Sandy Cohen or Juan Anderson belonged on the court ahead of Deonte Burton.  Period.  End of story.

Your boy Buzz Williams did. Period. End of story.

You talk like it’s a select group of 5 people that think Wojo did anything but criminally miscoach his teams. The reality is that not one but two coaches made the exact same personnel decisions. People paid literally millions of dollars to make those decisions. I’m beyond shocked you can’t find a coaching job. I mean, Buzz himself saw your incredible basketball mind when he allowed you to hold campers’ hands walking from the Al to the Rec Center at some summer camps! How can he miss that?!

You’re literally the only single person in the world who thinks Wojo was left with a better situation than what Buzz walked into. It’s absolutely hysterical and it’s why people can cry about not responding to you but this is waaaay too entertaining. The fact that anyone can even claim that is absolutely awesome. And then play it off like only “Wojo homers” can think differently...yikes!

[brewcity77]

Back on topic. These lists always seem to be the same thing. 'Nova and Georgetown at the top, then whoever the hot teams are next in line. Marquette and St. John's are the trendy picks? Put them in the top-5. Xavier just got a 1-seed? Them too.

Also, the idea that Xavier is 7th in recruiting base is ridiculous. While they do have tough competition from Ohio State and Cincy for in-state recruits, Ohio is a talent hotbed, while border states like Indiana, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, and Michigan are all great places to go get talent. And Butler is 9th in recruiting base? Again, tough competition with IU, Purdue, and Notre Dame, but Indiana probably has one of the best pools of talent both in terms of producing top players and producing deep classes in the country, while their state is also bordered by Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, and Illinois.

And what does "buy games" refer to? When is the last time any Big East team was a buy game for another opponent? I mean...great for us to be #1 in the category, but is this to mean that Villanova is somehow the Grambling of high-major hoops?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Ugh.

Not again.  Playing Top 100 FRESHMAN, Cohen (or Top 100 Senior Juan Anderson) in front of/more minutes than Top 50 Sophomore Burton was idiotic. 

Nobody with a shred of objectivity would say that Sandy Cohen or Juan Anderson belonged on the court ahead of Deonte Burton.  Period.  End of story.

If you want to compare actual talent, fine. But don't use "top 100 recruit in high school" as evidence of how good a player is when we have actual on the court evidence. Because by that reasoning, you would have wanted Cohen and Anderson (and Teve) out there too!

Once again (in case you missed the last few posts explaining this) Sandy Cohen got more minutes than Deonte in all of two games....one of which Deonte racked up 4 fouls in 12 minutes so Wojo had no choice but to play Sandy more minutes. So really in one game Sandy got 3 more minutes than Deonte. Otherwise Deonte destroyed him in minutes played. Was it that three minutes that convinced you that Wojo was a bad coach?

[Herman Cain]

Back on topic. These lists always seem to be the same thing. 'Nova and Georgetown at the top, then whoever the hot teams are next in line. Marquette and St. John's are the trendy picks? Put them in the top-5. Xavier just got a 1-seed? Them too.

Also, the idea that Xavier is 7th in recruiting base is ridiculous. While they do have tough competition from Ohio State and Cincy for in-state recruits, Ohio is a talent hotbed, while border states like Indiana, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, and Michigan are all great places to go get talent. And Butler is 9th in recruiting base? Again, tough competition with IU, Purdue, and Notre Dame, but Indiana probably has one of the best pools of talent both in terms of producing top players and producing deep classes in the country, while their state is also bordered by Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, and Illinois.

And what does "buy games" refer to? When is the last time any Big East team was a buy game for another opponent? I mean...great for us to be #1 in the category, but is this to mean that Villanova is somehow the Grambling of high-major hoops?

This was a very esoteric Poll which purports to rank the attractiveness of head coaching jobs in the Big East  from the perspective of a head coach. I think some of the categories such as buy games are confusing. For example, it may be attractive from a coach perspective to have a lot of ability to control your own destiny with buy games and have the money to do so. So this poll rates Villanova last because of their preexisting Big 5 commitments. However,  from the standpoint of a fan those Big 5 games are very attractive. Also how they determine the recruiting base rankings are interesting. Your points on the recruiting base are accurate as well , both Butler and Xavier are  in the center of a number of very attractive recruiting markets and over time they have both proven that is an asset. I guess from the coach perspective they have to work harder because the schools are not the number one choice in their markets. But that is pretty much the case for almost all the schools  in America that are not blue bloods or near blue bloods.   

[GGGG]

Ugh.

Not again.  Playing Top 100 FRESHMAN, Cohen (or Top 100 Senior Juan Anderson) in front of/more minutes than Top 50 Sophomore Burton was idiotic. 

Nobody with a shred of objectivity would say that Sandy Cohen or Juan Anderson belonged on the court ahead of Deonte Burton.  Period.  End of story.

Ugh. Just drop it. TAMU has owned your a$$ multiple times with this sh*t, yet you keep coming back to be owned again. 

[79Warrior]

If you want to compare actual talent, fine. But don't use "top 100 recruit in high school" as evidence of how good a player is when we have actual on the court evidence. Because by that reasoning, you would have wanted Cohen and Anderson (and Teve) out there too!

Once again (in case you missed the last few posts explaining this) Sandy Cohen got more minutes than Deonte in all of two games....one of which Deonte racked up 4 fouls in 12 minutes so Wojo had no choice but to play Sandy more minutes. So really in one game Sandy got 3 more minutes than Deonte. Otherwise Deonte destroyed him in minutes played. Was it that three minutes that convinced you that Wojo was a bad coach?

The fact the floormat brings up Dawson is hilarious. Solid D-2 Player.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Did I miss Buzz coming back to the BE and ranking the conference jobs? So why the heck are we talking about him!!??!!



Kudos to Herman for getting it back on track.

[Marcus92]

Irrelevant detours aside, what's most interesting to me is getting some insight from coaches on what sets a program apart.

One key takeaway is the emphasis on tradition. Georgetown took the top spot in this poll largely based on what it accomplished 30 years ago. One comment ("Villanova just has a culture now, but so much of it has been based on Jay Wright") seems to downplay Rollie Massimino's 1985 national title. Couldn't you also say that so much of what Georgetown has done was based on John Thompson? But the difference between Georgetown and Villanova at 1 and 2 is splitting hairs.

Given that, Marquette being ranked higher than all the other Big East programs is quite the compliment. We know DePaul just doesn't care. But if I were the AD at Butler, Seton Hall or St. John's, I'd be concerned about the perception those schools are near the bottom of the league in budget/resources (coaches' salaries, recruiting budget, travel budget) and facilities (arena, practice facilities). Factors such as history and geographical recruiting base are out of an AD's control. But if you're not investing in the program, your job's going to be a lot harder.

After recruiting base, MU's worst rating is for game atmosphere (5th after Creighton, Xavier, Butler and Villanova). Hopefully the new arena and a winning team can move us up at least a couple spots.

[Marcus92]

One more thought on geographical recruiting base. Beyond Wisconsin, Wojo and his staff have focused on the wider Midwest: Sacar and Theo from Minneapolis; Ed Morrow originally from Chicago; Greg, Ike and Jamal from Detroit. If that trend continues -- and if MU can tap into the rich basketball talent of Indiana and Ohio to the southeast -- it could turn a negative into a positive.

[Herman Cain]

Irrelevant detours aside, what's most interesting to me is getting some insight from coaches on what sets a program apart.

One key takeaway is the emphasis on tradition. Georgetown took the top spot in this poll largely based on what it accomplished 30 years ago. One comment ("Villanova just has a culture now, but so much of it has been based on Jay Wright") seems to downplay Rollie Massimino's 1985 national title. Couldn't you also say that so much of what Georgetown has done was based on John Thompson? But the difference between Georgetown and Villanova at 1 and 2 is splitting hairs.

Given that, Marquette being ranked higher than all the other Big East programs is quite the compliment. We know DePaul just doesn't care. But if I were the AD at Butler, Seton Hall or St. John's, I'd be concerned about the perception those schools are near the bottom of the league in budget/resources (coaches' salaries, recruiting budget, travel budget) and facilities (arena, practice facilities). Factors such as history and geographical recruiting base are out of an AD's control. But if you're not investing in the program, your job's going to be a lot harder.

After recruiting base, MU's worst rating is for game atmosphere (5th after Creighton, Xavier, Butler and Villanova). Hopefully the new arena and a winning team can move us up at least a couple spots.

I think some of this coach opinion is a function of relative stature for recruiting. Even though Georgetown has been down, the Georgetown name still carries weight with those that influence  the recruiting process. Also on the whole the Thompson family has been a plus.  The university had the sense to see the wheels were coming off the wagon with JTIII and moved quickly to protect the franchise.

I think the Coaches are not yet seeing the permanent  fruits of Jay Wrights efforts yet and still attribute much of the recent success to his individual excellence. However, Villanova has significantly increased endowment and is making big investments across the board. As the administration begins to understand the linkage between elite basketball performance and endowment this should enable the school to put more resources behind the program and allow it to build off the recent achievements in a sustainable way.

I would make the case that MU has done a very good job of building off of the legacy of Al. Moreover , the approach was consistently applied over a long period of time. MU is a very attractive job with all the resources necessary to compete. To Wojo's credit, he has done a very good job of embracing the MU history and that effort continues to perpetuate the franchise value.