Student Section S/O

[Newsdreams]

Student section is sold out

https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1049826986624016386?s=21

IT'S OFFICIAL!! The #mubb student section at @FiservForum is SOLD OUT. Thank you to the 3,100 @MarquetteU who purchased tickets! #WeAreMarquette

[GB Warrior]

Man, those empty seats went fast this yesr

[GGGG]

So for all the doom and gloom projections here, it turns out the Marquette ticket office looks like they know what they're doing.

[wadesworld]

How many student section tickets were there in the BC? Seems like 3,100 out of 17,000 is a small percentage compared to what the BC held.

[warriorchick]

How many student section tickets were there in the BC? Seems like 3,100 out of 17,000 is a small percentage compared to what the BC held.

Slightly smaller percentage.  I think that the BC had a little under 4,000 student tickets out of a capacity of 20,000.

So 18.25% vs. 20%.

[wadesworld]

Slightly smaller percentage.  I think that the BC had a little under 4,000 student tickets out of a capacity of 20,000.

So 18.25% vs. 20%.

Thanks. For some reason I thought the BC held like 17,500 for basketball and had about 5,000 student section tickets.

[We R Final Four]

20,000?

[jsglow]

I remember a big discussion about this last Spring.  MU purposefully reduced the allocation some but it was still well above many other schools.  Believe it or not, there are complaints that kids didn't have enough of an opportunity.  You snooze, you lose.

[warriorchick]

20,000?

Okay Google was wrong.

According to Wikipedia it is 18,850 for college basketball.  20K for concerts.

[warriorchick]

I remember a big discussion about this last Spring.  MU purposefully reduced the allocation some but it was still well above many other schools.  Believe it or not, there are complaints that kids didn't have enough of an opportunity.  You snooze, you lose.

And these kids have been snoozing for at least 4 months. 

[Mr. Nielsen]

Bucks sellouts at the Bradley Center were 18,717.

Marquette sold about 3,300 student season tickets. Those "big" games MU would put in 3,700 students in the building. Much talk was about students now having to pay the taxes and WCD fee. Guess they found the extra $40.

Keep in mind 1,500 of the seats at 17,500 Fiserv Forum are part of the suite loft that are sold at 85k each per year.

Also, the Bucks sold a record 10,000 season tickets. The previous record came 30 years ago; they sold 8,985 season tickets for the 1988-89 season

[source?]

Bucks sellouts at the Bradley Center were 18,717.

Marquette sold about 3,300 student season tickets. Much talk was about students now having to pay the taxes and WCD fee. Guess they found the extra $40.

Keep in mind 1,500 of the seats at 17,500 Fiserv Forum are part of the suite loft that are sold at 85k each per year.

Also, the Bucks sold a record 10,000 season tickets. The previous record came 30 years ago; they sold 8,985 season tickets for the 1988-89 season

So we are looking at the high water mark until the next new arena?

[Galway Eagle]

Bucks sellouts at the Bradley Center were 18,717.

Marquette sold about 3,300 student season tickets. Much talk was about students now having to pay the taxes and WCD fee. Guess they found the extra $40.

Keep in mind 1,500 of the seats at 17,500 Fiserv Forum are part of the suite loft that are sold at 85k each per year.

Also, the Bucks sold a record 10,000 season tickets. The previous record came 30 years ago; they sold 8,985 season tickets for the 1988-89 season

Why're you talking about the bucks?

[Mr. Nielsen]

Why're you talking about the bucks?

The first 3 out of 4 were Marquette. Yes, the last was Bucks. Just an fyi, since it's the same arena.

[Galway Eagle]

The first 3 out of 4 were Marquette. Yes, the last was Bucks. Just an fyi, since it's the same arena.

Gotcha. Just seemed like there was some insinuation that the bucks sales impacted us and was confused

[warriorchick]

Gotcha. Just seemed like there was some insinuation that the bucks sales impacted us and was confused

He didn't insinuate, you inferred. 

[4everwarriors]

Sumwon ring up Too Tan Tommy 'cuz he always had a handle on da BC capacity wit record crowds and such, aina?

[Newsdreams]

Sumwon ring up Too Tan Tommy 'cuz he always had a handle on da BC capacity wit record crowds and such, aina?

He owes MU some bucks, hey?

[Coleman]

Good call shrinking the student section with the new arena.

There were some embarassingly empty student sections over the past few years.

[oldwarrior81]

remember the good old days with tents on the lawn of Lalumiere and ticket lotteries?
I wonder how many student tickets were issued for the games in the Arena/Mecca.

Probably fewer with games in the Auditorium.  I'll bet those bleachers on the stage were the "bees-knees" back in the 30's.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Good call shrinking the student section with the new arena.

There were some embarassingly empty student sections over the past few years.

And there it is.

Less than 20 posts before we start ripping into the students 

[Galway Eagle]

Good call shrinking the student section with the new arena.

There were some embarassingly empty student sections over the past few years.

Hmm students can watch us lose to Depaul while spending their week's budget on beer or stay home and get drunk for pennies... I mean study.

This year no excuses but I'm not exactly surprised when there's one ncaa appearance in 5 years

[warriorchick]

Hmm students can watch us lose to Depaul while spending their week's budget on beer or stay home and get drunk for pennies... I mean study.

This year no excuses but I'm not exactly surprised when there's one ncaa appearance in 5 years

Okay, time for someone to drag Galway out of the pub...

[Galway Eagle]

Okay, time for someone to drag Galway out of the pub...

You can take Galway out of the pub but you'll never take the pub out of Galway

[Coleman]

And there it is.

Less than 20 posts before we start ripping into the students 

Was I wrong? Were entire student section upper decks not empty for most games? Stating facts isn't ripping.

Shrinking it was a good idea by MU.

Some will recall it wasn't always that big at the BC. They expanded it during the Buzz years.

[Its DJOver]

Was I wrong? Were entire student section upper decks not empty for most games? Stating facts isn't ripping.

Shrinking it was a good idea by MU.

Some will recall it wasn't always that big at the BC. They expanded it during the Buzz years.

I think it's less about shrinking, and more about all student being guaranteed seating in the lower bowl.  The real good idea was going with the bow tie seating chart, rather than one full end zone.

[Coleman]

I think it's less about shrinking, and more about all student being guaranteed seating in the lower bowl.  The real good idea was going with the bow tie seating chart, rather than one full end zone.

I agree 100%

[Dawson Rental]

Okay, time for someone to drag Galway out of the pub...

I believe that he's actually home studying...

[Mr. Nielsen]

Was I wrong? Were entire student section upper decks not empty for most games? Stating facts isn't ripping.

Shrinking it was a good idea by MU.

Some will recall it wasn't always that big at the BC. They expanded it during the Buzz years.

Your wrong for weekend games. Correct for weekday games. The student section of 3,700 in the BC is huge. Most student section are about 2,000 for most schools. Also, most school's are not playing in a arena that can seat 18,717.

[warriorchick]

Your wrong for weekend games. Correct for weekday games. The student section of 3,700 in the BC is huge. Most student section are about 2,000 for most schools. Also, most school's are not playing in a arena that can seat 18,717.

Also take into consideration the size of the university.  How many schools regularly get more than a third of their undergrad student body to attend basketball games?

[Marcus92]

The absolute number doesn't matter so much. (The student section of Cameron Indoor Stadium has a maximum capacity of less than 2,000.) What matters is that those 3,100 Marquette students are closer to the court in the new arena. That should go a long way toward creating a more high-energy environment on game day -- and a true home court advantage.

[Coleman]

Your wrong for weekend games. Correct for weekday games. The student section of 3,700 in the BC is huge. Most student section are about 2,000 for most schools. Also, most school's are not playing in a arena that can seat 18,717.

That may all be true (although I do remember some non-conference weekend games not even reaching the upper deck over the past couple years so I'm not sure you're entirely correct either).

All I know for sure is an apples to apples comparison of when I was at MU from 2005-2009 and the upper deck was consistently more than half full on weekday games. On weekends it was full to the rafters. The lower bowl was always packed any day of the week.

Over the past few years, the upper deck hardly has any students in it, save for maybe the 2 or 3 games biggest games a year.

This isn't a dig at students. I'm sure they have other priorities. If we are getting more brainiacs who aren't interested in basketball I don't even think that is necessarily a bad thing. But I think it is pretty clear that the student section was wayyyy bigger than it needed to be the past 5-7 years.

[Coleman]

Also take into consideration the size of the university.  How many schools regularly get more than a third of their undergrad student body to attend basketball games?

Again, it was never meant as a dig against MU students. It is not a pissing contest against other universities.

It just is dumb to waste entire sections of seating on students who never use them. I'm glad MU is changing it up.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

My apologies, one of those weird pet peeves of mine.

[Galway Eagle]

That may all be true (although I do remember some non-conference weekend games not even reaching the upper deck over the past couple years so I'm not sure you're entirely correct either).

All I know for sure is an apples to apples comparison of when I was at MU from 2005-2009 and the upper deck was consistently more than half full on weekday games. On weekends it was full to the rafters. The lower bowl was always packed any day of the week.

Over the past few years, the upper deck hardly has any students in it, save for maybe the 2 or 3 games biggest games a year.

This isn't a dig at students. I'm sure they have other priorities. If we are getting more brainiacs who aren't interested in basketball I don't even think that is necessarily a bad thing. But I think it is pretty clear that the student section was wayyyy bigger than it needed to be the past 5-7 years.

I was at MU 09-14 and my memory is very similar to yours in terms of the upper deck consistently half full or more. Let's consider this, your freshman year the Juniors and seniors remember a final four, followed by a season that we were ranked and were damn good till Travis went down. your sophomore, junior and senior years we were consistently ranked and coming off NCAA tournaments. Same leading into the years I was there.

Now lets compare that to the basketball experience of the current students and those since my class left. No tournament, followed by coach leaving then worst season this century, followed by a faux good record, followed by bubble team getting blown out, followed by just missing the tournament.

It may be that the students care, or at least would like to, but because even the seniors now were taking the ACT when we were last good (let alone the current juniors, sophomores and freshmen) they just need that real hype.

[LoudMouth]

Again, it was never meant as a dig against MU students. It is not a pissing contest against other universities.

It just is dumb to waste entire sections of seating on students who never use them. I'm glad MU is changing it up.

There also wasn't a single game in the past 4 years where the student section upper bowl was empty where the fans showed up in droves. The lack of students did not prevent fans from getting tickets. I think the fact of the matter is when you are an average team playing another average team (Providence, Seton Hall, St. Johns) you will not be getting a crap load (pun intended) of butts in seats.

[muwarrior69]

remember the good old days with tents on the lawn of Lalumiere and ticket lotteries?
I wonder how many student tickets were issued for the games in the Arena/Mecca.

Probably fewer with games in the Auditorium.  I'll bet those bleachers on the stage were the "bees-knees" back in the 30's.

When I attended, '65-'69, tickets were not issued. My freshman year, Al's second year as coach, freshman were offered a season ticket package for 8 dollars/seat/year for all home games. I paid 64 dollars for two reserved seats at the Arena for my 4 years at MU. My first 2 years at MU they averaged about 7-8 thousand per game. I believe the Arena held about 11000 then and I would say about 3000 were students which were located on the North side of the arena. My Junior and Senior years tickets were becoming a hot item.

[LoudMouth]

I was at MU 09-14 and my memory is very similar to yours in terms of the upper deck consistently half full or more. Let's consider this, your freshman year the Juniors and seniors remember a final four, followed by a season that we were ranked and were damn good till Travis went down. your sophomore, junior and senior years we were consistently ranked and coming off NCAA tournaments. Same leading into the years I was there.

Now lets compare that to the basketball experience of the current students and those since my class left. No tournament, followed by coach leaving then worst season ever, followed by a faux good record, followed by bubble team getting blown out, followed by just missing the tournament.

It may be that the students care, or at least would like to, but because even the seniors now were taking the ACT when we were last good (let alone the current juniors, sophomores and freshmen) they just need that real hype.

Exactly this...being from 13-17 the feeling of being robbed from the true MUBB experience that the previous 10+ years were able to experience doesn't exactly get students hyped for the season...when the best thing that happens in my 4 years is making the tournament as a bubble team then getting blown out in the NCAA game, can confirm, is depressing. EDIT** Nova game was the high point. Great high point, but short lived high point after loosing our next few games

Seeing our roster for the 14-15 season was a main contributor for choosing my sophomore year to study abroad rather than junior. Nailed that one on the head

[Dr. Blackheart]

Again, it was never meant as a dig against MU students. It is not a pissing contest against other universities.

It just is dumb to waste entire sections of seating on students who never use them. I'm glad MU is changing it up.

The other thing is school is not in session for only five home games....which is less than previous years.

[79Warrior]

remember the good old days with tents on the lawn of Lalumiere and ticket lotteries?
I wonder how many student tickets were issued for the games in the Arena/Mecca.

Probably fewer with games in the Auditorium.  I'll bet those bleachers on the stage were the "bees-knees" back in the 30's.

Students had a good allocation. They were always sold out, thus the camping out for days.

[Mr. Nielsen]

The other thing is school is not in session for only five home games....which is less than previous years.

Six.
North Dakota, Buffalo, Southern, Xavier, Seton Hall and Providence.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Six.
North Dakota, Buffalo, Southern, Xavier, Seton Hall and Providence.

Seton Hall is the weekend before school resumes on Jan.14 .  So that's the fifth and will be well attended.

You counting MLK Weekend game with  Providence on Sunday as out of session?  I count that as Student Hangover Day.

[Slim]

Students had a good allocation. They were always sold out, thus the camping out for days.

“If the tent’s a rockin’ Don’t you be knockin’!

[hdog1017]

Let's see if they actually show up to games

[LoudMouth]

Let's see if they actually show up to games

Good one

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Other than break games, I am usually more worried about non-students showing up and participating then I am about students.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Other than break games, I am usually more worried about non-students showing up and participating then I am about students.

Amazing the money some have to burn not to give their tickets away if the owner can't show up for the game.

[Coleman]

Exactly this...being from 13-17 the feeling of being robbed from the true MUBB experience that the previous 10+ years were able to experience doesn't exactly get students hyped for the season...when the best thing that happens in my 4 years is making the tournament as a bubble team then getting blown out in the NCAA game, can confirm, is depressing. EDIT** Nova game was the high point. Great high point, but short lived high point after loosing our next few games

Seeing our roster for the 14-15 season was a main contributor for choosing my sophomore year to study abroad rather than junior. Nailed that one on the head

Yeah I totally get it. There wasn't much to be excited about. Hopefully that will start changing soon.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Other than break games, I am usually more worried about non-students showing up and participating then I am about students.

So you don't want non-students showing up? 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So you don't want non-students showing up?

All I know is that I see a lot more holes in the first deck of the non-student sections than I do in the first deck of the student section.

[brewcity77]

All I know is that I see a lot more holes in the first deck of the non-student sections than I do in the first deck of the student section.

Not really a fair comparison though because of assigned versus unassigned seats. If 50% of the students show up, the lower bowl at the BC would look full while the upper deck would be empty. Even if 70-80% of the STHs show up, you'll see holes dispersed throughout the arena.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

All I know is that I see a lot more holes in the first deck of the non-student sections than I do in the first deck of the student section.

No offense but isn’t that a nonsense comparison since the student section is general admission. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Not really a fair comparison though because of assigned versus unassigned seats. If 50% of the students show up, the lower bowl at the BC would look full while the upper deck would be empty. Even if 70-80% of the STHs show up, you'll see holes dispersed throughout the arena.

No offense but isn’t that a nonsense comparison since the student section is general admission. 

Agreed.  It's also unfair and nonsense to criticize the student section for not showing up when they fill up the first deck in virtually every non break game.

[Dr. Blackheart]

All I know is that I see a lot more holes in the first deck of the non-student sections than I do in the first deck of the student section.

Well, I was joking as to the way you worded your sentence it said you were worried about non-students showing up.

Where do you see these holes?  In person or on TV? The reason I ask is I have actually been very surprised how loyal the Sweater Vest base has supported the team in person through this downturn  I, like you, expected a bigger drop off. 

That said, if the majority of your reference point is TV, then it can be deceiving.  One, many of those STHs linger, get held up on return from the Clubs.  Or for these non-cons choose to sit with friends as a group in open seats as their seats are more policed by the ushers.  This includes the student section. With all the extra club seating, open holes on TV will be worse (see Dodger or Cubs games where fans stay in the Clubs). 

I'll give you an story with my Brewers season tickets where my guests and I had dinner and drinks at weekday game up in one of the Clubs.  It was a sit down meal on a hot night.  We got to our seats around the sixth inning and the fan next to me says "nice of you to show up".  Let's see, I just drove two hours during a tough business week, waited in a long parking line, had a nice dinner in the Club as I skipped lunch to try to get out on time, brought friends dinner and the tickets, but I am a crappy fan?

The game and fan experience is changing. As to giving away my STs, let's just say it has been hard to get takers. For a noncon last year I bought 10 break tickets to sit with a group of family and friends and gave away my mid-Court tickets.  I then found out I lost my perfect attendance because of the no-show even though I was there.  That also happened a few times on my extra single tickets.  It hasn't been easy so don't always assume bad intent.  Needless to say, those people are off the list.

[The Lens]

My biggest beef with the students was this year after the near miss vs Nova.  We then played Butler at 8pm on Wednesday and the student section was about 20% the size.  The 2nd Quadrant was almost empty (behind the band). 

How so many kids could watch us take Nova down to the wire and then decide to skip a conference game at 8pm on a Wednesday was beyond me. 

[LloydsLegs]

Seeing our roster for the 14-15 season was a main contributor for choosing my sophomore year to study abroad rather than junior. Nailed that one on the head

Also why my daughter went abroad fall semester last year-she's a senior at Nova and didn't want to miss the heart of the season.  Nailed that one on the head.

We will make home and away games this year for first time since her freshman year (last two years games have been during xMas break)

Also, the team was mediocre during my years (82-86) but the student section at the MECCA was filled and boisterous for the most part.

[4everwarriors]

When I attended, '65-'69, tickets were not issued. My freshman year, Al's second year as coach, freshman were offered a season ticket package for 8 dollars/seat/year for all home games. I paid 64 dollars for two reserved seats at the Arena for my 4 years at MU. My first 2 years at MU they averaged about 7-8 thousand per game. I believe the Arena held about 11000 then and I would say about 3000 were students which were located on the North side of the arena. My Junior and Senior years tickets were becoming a hot item.

Sew hey, back in da dey, hoo had da best 2 handed set shot, hey?

[Loose Cannon]

Sew hey, back in da dey, hoo had da best 2 handed set shot, hey?

Joey Brown.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

[warriorchick]

New this year -

DJs and MCs at every game:

https://gomarquette.com/news/2018/10/10/mens-basketball-gameday-fiserv.aspx

[fjm]

New this year -

DJs and MCs at every game:

https://gomarquette.com/news/2018/10/10/mens-basketball-gameday-fiserv.aspx

I think that’s gonna be awesome.

I also think sweater vests are going to hate that.

[Mr. Nielsen]

I think that’s gonna be awesome.

I also think sweater vests are going to hate that.

If it's the same as what is going on with volleyball games with the DJ, sweater vests will not notice it.

[MU82]

I got to MU (fall of 78) just as enthusiasm was starting to wane just a little bit among students. We won the title in 77 and then had the early exit in 78. Enthusiasm was still fairly high, but it was down just enough that MU no longer had to do half-season tickets for students; there was still a lottery, but most who wanted full-season tickets got them.

Even back then, there was criticism about the "vests" in the expensive seats.

The Arena held 10,938 back then IIRC.

[Coleman]

New this year -

DJs and MCs at every game:

https://gomarquette.com/news/2018/10/10/mens-basketball-gameday-fiserv.aspx

I am torn between thinking this is corny as hell or cool. I guess it will depend on how it actually is executed.

Either way, DJ Snack Daddy is a hilarious name.

[warriorchick]

I got to MU (fall of 78) just as enthusiasm was starting to wane just a little bit among students. We won the title in 77 and then had the early exit in 78. Enthusiasm was still fairly high, but it was down just enough that MU no longer had to do half-season tickets for students; there was still a lottery, but most who wanted full-season tickets got them.

Even back then, there was criticism about the "vests" in the expensive seats.

The Arena held 10,938 back then IIRC.

I got to campus in the fall of 1981, and I remember half-season tickets the entire time I was there.  They key was getting the half that the Notre Dame game was in.

[warriorchick]

I am torn between thinking this is corny as hell or cool. I guess it will depend on how it actually is executed.

Either way, DJ Snack Daddy is a hilarious name.

I do worry about it being a little too NBA-like. 

Part of the reason that I prefer college hoops to the NBA is the difference in the non-game stuff:  Pep bands, non-slutty cheerleading outfits, hokey promotions, etc.

[🏀]

I think that’s gonna be awesome.

I also think sweater vests are going to hate that.

Anything that promotes less band is a good thing.

[warriorchick]

Anything that promotes less better music choices by the band is a good thing.

FIFY

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I am torn between thinking this is corny as hell or cool. I guess it will depend on how it actually is executed.

Either way, DJ Snack Daddy is a hilarious name.

TAMU did this at all of their basketball games last season. It didn't make the music better or worse IMHO. Some DJs were good at pumping up the crowd, others were not so good. It really depends on which DJ is working.

Anything that promotes less band is a good thing.

I love the band. And if this is done like TAMU did it, it won't mean less band.

FIFY

This is correct.

[🏀]

FIFY

Ehhhh....maybe fixed.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I think that’s gonna be awesome.

I also think sweater vests are going to hate that.

Yep. Piping in loud music in every down period is akin to CIA torture methods.

[Coleman]

I do worry about it being a little too NBA-like. 

Part of the reason that I prefer college hoops to the NBA is the difference in the non-game stuff:  Pep bands, non-slutty cheerleading outfits, hokey promotions, etc.

I'm with you chick. I have always thought college basketball gameday experience was superior to the NBA in every way.

[Newsdreams]

I got to campus in the fall of 1981, and I remember half-season tickets the entire time I was there.  They key was getting the half that the Notre Dame game was in.

This '79-'83

[Mr. Nielsen]

I'm with you chick. I have always thought college basketball gameday experience was superior to the NBA in every way.

I agree! The bands are great at college football & basketball.

[MU82]

I got to campus in the fall of 1981, and I remember half-season tickets the entire time I was there.  They key was getting the half that the Notre Dame game was in.

OK ... I fully allow that I'm just misremembering! That happens to us oldsters. I SAY ... THAT HAPPENS TO US OLDSTERS!

I did have tickets for the entire season as a freshman and again as a senior; maybe my friends and I just bought other students' plans for the other half of the season? Totally possible. (As a soph and junior, I wrote about the Warriors, so I didn't need tix.)

[Newsdreams]

OK ... I fully allow that I'm just misremembering! That happens to us oldsters. I SAY ... THAT HAPPENS TO US OLDSTERS!

I did have tickets for the entire season as a freshman and again as a senior; maybe my friends and I just bought other students' plans for the other half of the season? Totally possible. (As a soph and junior, I wrote about the Warriors, so I didn't need tix.)

Must have, because you only got one and not real choice or you could have done like we did; go with friends with the other plan to marquee game and give all the tickets at once with top tickets real game bottom tickets from a crappy game in your plan. They never checked just would tear tickets and we were in. Crap I have never confessed that, I'm I going to hell?