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Re: JFB wants out of Minny
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2018, 11:26:45 PM »
I don’t think many people get to be superstars at the absolute highest level of their profession by being lazy.

There’s more than one way to be a hard worker.

If Jimmy can’t figure that out the problem is probably more him than his teammates.
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Re: JFB wants out of Minny
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2018, 12:36:06 AM »
This is professional basketball. Everything is about money. T Wolves just shelled out the super max for KAT. They have not been willing to do that for JFB. All the rest is posturing by the parties. The teams on JFB list are all poorly run historically and will be more likely to give him the money he wants.
The destinations are not odd because Jimmy does not really care about winning either. Yes he competes but he is getting clique prone.

He cares about rubbing elbows with the stars and it has got to his head. he wants L.A. because of that one actor he has befriended. and I guarantee you that he and Kyrie Irving will end up in L.A. or N.Y. or Brooklyn.

If either team can sign two max players...which the Clippers and Nets can... he's there
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Re: JFB wants out of Minny
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2018, 01:00:43 AM »
That’s the sense I’ve gotten from what I have read. Tact and diplomacy apparently aren’t his strengths.
No no no....he had run-ins with the Bulls too. he is a diva. Nothing wrong with that if you can back it up and lead by example and win which the T'Wolves did and made the playoffs didn't they?

Jimmy is a rag to riches kind of self-made no-name player that came out of nowhere which we all know very well and bust his tail to make it. But for some guys who did not expect this kind of rise and the success it HAS GONE TO HIS HEAD.

This is not a knock. For better or for worse it has affected how he rubs off bad on teammates that have not taken the road like him.

He thinks everyone is like him and came up like him and should work like him. And if you do not do things like him then he has an issue. I think he is insecure of being the man that takes the blame and accountability and is growing as a leader.

He will be best playing with two other great players, not being the #1 guy 

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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2018, 02:05:07 AM »
No no no....he had run-ins with the Bulls too. he is a diva. Nothing wrong with that if you can back it up and lead by example and win which the T'Wolves did and made the playoffs didn't they?

Jimmy is a rag to riches kind of self-made no-name player that came out of nowhere which we all know very well and bust his tail to make it. But for some guys who did not expect this kind of rise and the success it HAS GONE TO HIS HEAD.

This is not a knock. For better or for worse it has affected how he rubs off bad on teammates that have not taken the road like him.

He thinks everyone is like him and came up like him and should work like him. And if you do not do things like him then he has an issue. I think he is insecure of being the man that takes the blame and accountability and is growing as a leader.

He will be best playing with two other great players, not being the #1 guy

LOL Jimmy is a top 10-15 player how is he gonna team up with 2 players better than him

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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2018, 06:29:20 AM »
No no no....he had run-ins with the Bulls too. he is a diva. Nothing wrong with that if you can back it up and lead by example and win which the T'Wolves did and made the playoffs didn't they?

Jimmy is a rag to riches kind of self-made no-name player that came out of nowhere which we all know very well and bust his tail to make it. But for some guys who did not expect this kind of rise and the success it HAS GONE TO HIS HEAD.

This is not a knock. For better or for worse it has affected how he rubs off bad on teammates that have not taken the road like him.

He thinks everyone is like him and came up like him and should work like him. And if you do not do things like him then he has an issue. I think he is insecure of being the man that takes the blame and accountability and is growing as a leader.

He will be best playing with two other great players, not being the #1 guy 


This is a poor take all the way around. 

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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2018, 06:43:39 AM »
Wolves were in 3rd place in January last year in a loaded West, before JFB went down with an injury.  This is about $$$. Minnesota can only offer him 4 years $110 million if they didn't renegotiate his contract for this season.  Minnesota did.  If he stays, he can sign with Minnesota for 5, $188 million or sign for another team for 4, $139 million.  If you don't think you will stay after this season, of course you ask for a trade, or risk losing that extra $40 million guaranteed.

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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2018, 07:32:27 AM »
LOL Jimmy is a top 10-15 player how is he gonna team up with 2 players better than him

Yeah because top players have never teamed up to make super teams especially not in this era
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Re: JFB wants out of Minny
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2018, 09:14:15 AM »
Huge Jimmy fan, of course, as we all are. However ...

If Jimmy cared about winning more than anything, he wouldn't worry about maximizing every last dollar and he would do what Wade did in 2010 -- sacrifice a little (not a lot) to get some of the best talent in the world together in a quest to win championships.

If you want to go to LA, don't go to the Clippers, where you will NEVER win. Go to the Lakers. Join forces with LeBron, get surrounded by great shooters, and make a serious run at a title.

Or go to Houston. Or go to Golden State. Or go to Toronto. Or, for that matter, go to the Bucks.

I don't know Jimmy well enough to know if he is a "diva," but this is a diva-ish trend.

Maybe Jimmy really doesn't care about winning a ring and he only cares about being the top dog and making lots of money. I guess that's OK if he's honest about it. Just don't claim it's "all about winning" and then go to Brooklyn or the Clippers.


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« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2018, 09:35:41 AM »
Huge Jimmy fan, of course, as we all are. However ...

If Jimmy cared about winning more than anything, he wouldn't worry about maximizing every last dollar and he would do what Wade did in 2010 -- sacrifice a little (not a lot) to get some of the best talent in the world together in a quest to win championships.

If you want to go to LA, don't go to the Clippers, where you will NEVER win. Go to the Lakers. Join forces with LeBron, get surrounded by great shooters, and make a serious run at a title.

Or go to Houston. Or go to Golden State. Or go to Toronto. Or, for that matter, go to the Bucks.

I don't know Jimmy well enough to know if he is a "diva," but this is a diva-ish trend.

Maybe Jimmy really doesn't care about winning a ring and he only cares about being the top dog and making lots of money. I guess that's OK if he's honest about it. Just don't claim it's "all about winning" and then go to Brooklyn or the Clippers.

As a fanboy, I'd love to see Jimmy back in Milwaukee. But any trade would have to include Middleton and every inch of draft capital. That plus Jimmy's pending draft capital tells me there's no ROI there. Of course Jimmy is better than Middleton, but does a team centered around Jimmy and Giannis and ???? Get you anything? And once you have space for more talent after bad contracts are gone, does anyone of consequence want to play with Jimmy?

This reader says no, and it's a great example of how the bucks have pissed away a generational talent...

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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2018, 10:15:11 AM »
Middleton’s a better fit for the Bucks. Better shooter. Less vocal. Needs the ball in his hands less.
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Re: JFB wants out of Minny
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2018, 10:49:55 AM »
Huge Jimmy fan, of course, as we all are. However ...

If Jimmy cared about winning more than anything, he wouldn't worry about maximizing every last dollar and he would do what Wade did in 2010 -- sacrifice a little (not a lot) to get some of the best talent in the world together in a quest to win championships.

If you want to go to LA, don't go to the Clippers, where you will NEVER win. Go to the Lakers. Join forces with LeBron, get surrounded by great shooters, and make a serious run at a title.

Or go to Houston. Or go to Golden State. Or go to Toronto. Or, for that matter, go to the Bucks.

I don't know Jimmy well enough to know if he is a "diva," but this is a diva-ish trend.

Maybe Jimmy really doesn't care about winning a ring and he only cares about being the top dog and making lots of money. I guess that's OK if he's honest about it. Just don't claim it's "all about winning" and then go to Brooklyn or the Clippers.

On the other hand .... the teams Jimmy has said he'd willing to sign long-term with (Nets, Clips, Knicks) will have cap space next season to sign TWO max contract players. And besides Jimmy, next season's free-agent crop includes Durant, Kawhi, Cousins, Irving and Klay Thompson.
So, thinking long-term, Jimmy wants to go to a team that can add him and another all-star and be competitive for several years.
Let's say that team is the Clips and they can land Kawhi, Cousins or Kyrie. Does a team with Jimmy and one of those guys have the talent to compete? I'd think so.   
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Re: JFB wants out of Minny
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2018, 11:50:56 AM »
I don’t think many people get to be superstars at the absolute highest level of their profession by being lazy.

There’s more than one way to be a hard worker.

If Jimmy can’t figure that out the problem is probably more him than his teammates.

This is the correct take.  Just because JFB makes sure that everyone knows how hard he is working doesn't mean that his teammates aren't pulling their weight.  He can make a show about working hard all he wants, and a lot of folks will jump on the bandwagon and assume that means anyone who doesn't agree with him just aren't willing to work hard enough - but he's playing in a league with 25-40 year old men with families and both older and younger generations to provide for. If he can't take step back and mature as a leader to realize that there have to be dimensions to leading other than "being a first in, last out" kind of guy that makes sure everyone hears the keys to the gym jangling on his key ring, he's going to keep having these problems.

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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2018, 12:40:46 PM »
JFB has maximizing his potential value as a #1 priority.

You can either like it or not, but it's been no secret that is his career goal.

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« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2018, 02:24:04 PM »
JFB has maximizing his potential value as a #1 priority.

You can either like it or not, but it's been no secret that is his career goal.

No question, and I suspect he will cash in on that potential. Very well deserved.

That said, accomplishing his career goal may prevent him from winning any rings.

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« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2018, 03:04:42 PM »
JFB has maximizing his potential value as a #1 priority.

You can either like it or not, but it's been no secret that is his career goal.

Do you mean economically or basketball-wise?

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« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2018, 05:42:43 PM »
On the other hand .... the teams Jimmy has said he'd willing to sign long-term with (Nets, Clips, Knicks) will have cap space next season to sign TWO max contract players. And besides Jimmy, next season's free-agent crop includes Durant, Kawhi, Cousins, Irving and Klay Thompson.
So, thinking long-term, Jimmy wants to go to a team that can add him and another all-star and be competitive for several years.
Let's say that team is the Clips and they can land Kawhi, Cousins or Kyrie. Does a team with Jimmy and one of those guys have the talent to compete? I'd think so.   
Jimmy's playing chess and y'all playing checkers.

That's a fair take, and time will tell if it's the right one.

To answer your question, yes, a Jimmy/Durant combo could definitely contend for a title. Not sure about any of the other combos, though.
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« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2018, 08:15:58 PM »
Do you mean economically or basketball-wise?

Economically. He's likely tanking his basketball value to basketball hell, unless he's building a superteam.

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« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2018, 08:22:45 PM »
How is it not considered an admirable personal challenge to try to take a moribund franchise like the Clippers or Nets to heights their fans have never seen? If I was a player, giving that a shot would be way cooler/more satisfying than joining a super team or storied franchise like the Lakers or Celtics. Jimmy's making another big bet on himself, I hope it pays off again.

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« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2018, 09:00:41 PM »
How is it not considered an admirable personal challenge to try to take a moribund franchise like the Clippers or Nets to heights their fans have never seen? If I was a player, giving that a shot would be way cooler/more satisfying than joining a super team or storied franchise like the Lakers or Celtics. Jimmy's making another big bet on himself, I hope it pays off again.

EFR, we agree on most things, but that is not the sense I get from what Jimmy is trying to accomplish. I allow that I could be wrong.
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« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2018, 09:08:53 PM »
EFR, we agree on most things, but that is not the sense I get from what Jimmy is trying to accomplish. I allow that I could be wrong.

I could also be wrong! But Jimmy seems to use the underdog narrative to fuel his fire, and with a list like with that I get the sense that he wants to put himself in a position to be counted out/questioned/overlooked and see how good he can make himself. The upside to a scenario like that is you make yourself an immortal icon to a franchise if you deliver (and cash $190mm worth of paychecks in the process).

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« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2018, 04:52:47 AM »
I really think he missed a chance to control the message.  "I'm ready to rebuild".  "I'm ready to help build a team".  "I want to be part of the next dynasty."  "I can't do it alone, so I'm looking for a place that can pick up another top 15 player".  A little bit of "it's not about the money, it's about building a winner" would also help. 

Not a JFB hater... actually a huge fan of what he's achieved and who he is - AND of his game.  There are only 10-15 guys in the NBA who go their hardest every play.  We're lucky to have one of them - Giannis - on the bucks.  Many of the others are role players or specialists like JJ Reddick.
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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2018, 07:46:04 AM »
I really think he missed a chance to control the message.  "I'm ready to rebuild".  "I'm ready to help build a team".  "I want to be part of the next dynasty."  "I can't do it alone, so I'm looking for a place that can pick up another top 15 player".  A little bit of "it's not about the money, it's about building a winner" would also help. 

Not a JFB hater... actually a huge fan of what he's achieved and who he is - AND of his game.  There are only 10-15 guys in the NBA who go their hardest every play.  We're lucky to have one of them - Giannis - on the bucks.  Many of the others are role players or specialists like JJ Reddick.


To be fair, we really don't understand his motivations other than he doesn't want to be in Minnesota.  It's not as though he is out there trashing the organization, his teammates, etc.

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« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2018, 08:22:07 AM »
The issue is $$$.....

You gives Townes the "super max" contract......and try to sign Butler on the cheap.....

Jimmy is not gong to play with a player who "may" deserve the SuperMax contract down the road where as Jimmy deserves that SuperMax now.....

That would piss me off too.....

Especially when Townes and Wiggins are pretty lazy and don't care if they win or lose.....

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« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2018, 08:31:59 AM »
I love Jimmy. But he’s definitely a diva.

i don't think so-read a really nice article on him in ?, sports illustrated, i think.  he really is a simple guy, a really rich and talented simple guy.  i think he drives around in a mini-van or something, but the article by no means painted him as anything close to a diva
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« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2018, 08:40:35 AM »
Especially when Townes and Wiggins are pretty lazy and don't care if they win or lose.....


What evidence is there that they don't care if they win or lose???