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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2018, 09:43:11 AM »
2nd in the Big East
Back end of the top 25
5 seed in the NCAAs
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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2018, 09:53:48 AM »
2nd in the Big East
Back end of the top 25
5 seed in the NCAAs

Ugh!....that 5/12 game is always a killer.

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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2018, 10:24:31 AM »
If- Joey really is like Sam.

Having one Hauser on the team has been great. Joey gives Wojo double shock Hauser power. Who couldn't use another smart, team-oriented forward who defends up to 3 positions, scores 9 ppg, pulls down 5 rpg and shoots 45% from long range (stats based on Sam's freshman year numbers)? Plus, they could play together for two seasons.
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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2018, 10:29:18 AM »
Projecting Marquette's usage in 2018-19: http://latenighthoops.com/projecting-marquettes-2018-19-usage/#.W1noDNVKjIU

Gonna have a lot of medium-usage guys...

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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2018, 11:57:54 AM »
Sam is coming off surgery, who knows how he will be period, states he will be ready for opening practice, but will he be the same player as before, lets wait to make
judgement on that.  He was at the right place at the right time to help defensively on Brunson since Brunson beat his man, Sam came over and helped.  Sam is about
7 inches taller than Brunson so yes I would expect Sam to get the rebound.  One play does not make a defender.

So then the same could be said for you are making a judgement based on a surgery that there is "no way" he should be in the game?

And that play illustrates exactly why you need Sam in at the end of the game, no matter what.  He has the highest basketball IQ on the team and is really really good with positional defense.  Who would you have out there in his place?  I would really like to know who this much better defender is that should be playing in his place.

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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2018, 12:52:17 PM »
Ugh!....that 5/12 game is always a killer.

Won't lie, I had that same thought when I did the summer bracketology for Paint Touches.
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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2018, 01:00:47 PM »
Projecting Marquette's usage in 2018-19: http://latenighthoops.com/projecting-marquettes-2018-19-usage/#.W1noDNVKjIU

Gonna have a lot of medium-usage guys...

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Good stuff as always. Joey Hauser at second with 23%? I've been assuming his playstyle would be similar to his brother's. What do you see in home that makes you think his usage will be that high?

EDIT: NVM. Saw your answer in another thread.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2018, 01:03:32 PM by TAMU Eagle »
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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2018, 03:07:28 PM »
OK, not old guys ... operating from the "there are no stupid questions" school of thought ...

I know that Usage Rate has to do with the percentage of team plays "used" by a player while he's on the court.

My question is why it matters when determining who the most effective players (or best players?) are.

From what I understand of the stats, I prefer eFG% and TS%. Maybe that's because I understand them better.

None of them adequate measure passing IMHO.
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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2018, 03:12:27 PM »
OK, not old guys ... operating from the "there are no stupid questions" school of thought ...

I know that Usage Rate has to do with the percentage of team plays "used" by a player while he's on the court.

My question is why it matters when determining who the most effective players (or best players?) are.

From what I understand of the stats, I prefer eFG% and TS%. Maybe that's because I understand them better.

None of them adequate measure passing IMHO.

Think of it this way... If you shoot 90% eFG%, but you rarely shoot, you're not having a big impact on the game.



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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2018, 03:56:57 PM »
OK, not old guys ... operating from the "there are no stupid questions" school of thought ...

I know that Usage Rate has to do with the percentage of team plays "used" by a player while he's on the court.

My question is why it matters when determining who the most effective players (or best players?) are.

From what I understand of the stats, I prefer eFG% and TS%. Maybe that's because I understand them better.

None of them adequate measure passing IMHO.

The way I describe usage is that it gives context to other stats. High usage is not good or bad,  it just tells you what kind of player you have.

It's not perfect,  but here's how I tend to think about it:

High efficiency/high usage=Superstar player
High efficiency/med usage=Starter
High efficiency/low usage=Specialized role player
Med efficiency/high usage=Starter
Med efficiency/med usage=6th Man
Med efficency/low usage=Rotation player
Low efficiency/high usage=Chucker
Low efficiency/med usage=Rotation player
Low efficiency/low usage=Benchwarmer
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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2018, 04:23:26 PM »
The way I describe usage is that it gives context to other stats. High usage is not good or bad,  it just tells you what kind of player you have.

It's not perfect,  but here's how I tend to think about it:

High efficiency/high usage=Superstar player
High efficiency/med usage=Starter
High efficiency/low usage=Specialized role player
Med efficiency/high usage=Starter
Med efficiency/med usage=6th Man
Med efficency/low usage=Rotation player
Low efficiency/high usage=Chucker
Low efficiency/med usage=Rotation player
Low efficiency/low usage=Benchwarmer
This framework is excellent.

It helps explain why a guy like Vander Blue can be G League MVP and not have a chance at the NBA. 

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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2018, 04:53:55 PM »
Projecting Marquette's usage in 2018-19: http://latenighthoops.com/projecting-marquettes-2018-19-usage/#.W1noDNVKjIU

Gonna have a lot of medium-usage guys...

#Top15

Totally agree on both the ton of medium-usage guys and the top 15 call. I see that as the base case, +/- 10 slots upside/downside. The offense should be better than ever (which should be a sight to behold). How much we improve on defense will determine how far away we are from #15 and on which side.

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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2018, 10:24:55 PM »
Think of it this way... If you shoot 90% eFG%, but you rarely shoot, you're not having a big impact on the game.

The way I describe usage is that it gives context to other stats. High usage is not good or bad,  it just tells you what kind of player you have.

It's not perfect,  but here's how I tend to think about it:

High efficiency/high usage=Superstar player
High efficiency/med usage=Starter
High efficiency/low usage=Specialized role player
Med efficiency/high usage=Starter
Med efficiency/med usage=6th Man
Med efficency/low usage=Rotation player
Low efficiency/high usage=Chucker
Low efficiency/med usage=Rotation player
Low efficiency/low usage=Benchwarmer

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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2018, 07:19:33 AM »
My Expectations for this coming year:

1) Win a national championship
2) Be competitive for a national championship
3) WIN the Big East regular season championship and the tournament.
4) Go undefeated at our new home, the Computer Castle

I don't care about rankings. They mean nothing other than an ego boost. I want us to come together in a way that we will be mentioned in the talk for the national championship. Unless we go like 28-2, that's not going to happen this coming year. But, again, that's talk. We want action in the form of a well-coached team where the parts come together well. If Wojo can pull that off, 1 and 2 could be possible and DJ Carton will be wishing he's gotten over his BIG addiction.

Cripe, if Loyola can make the final four with the team they had last year, we should be able to win it all this year. Plus a priest on the bench beats a nun!

The Big East is something that needs to happen for no reason other than Villanova needs to be dethroned. That may be as tough as 1 and 2, especially since Jay Wright is an incredible coach. But the team we have coming into the year could do it if.....

As to the Computer Castle, we need to get back to having a pit. A place no one wants to play because they get their backside handed to them.

 

 

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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2018, 08:37:14 AM »
My Expectations for this coming year:

1) Win a national championship
2) Be competitive for a national championship
3) WIN the Big East regular season championship and the tournament.
4) Go undefeated at our new home, the Computer Castle

I don't care about rankings. They mean nothing other than an ego boost. I want us to come together in a way that we will be mentioned in the talk for the national championship. Unless we go like 28-2, that's not going to happen this coming year. But, again, that's talk. We want action in the form of a well-coached team where the parts come together well. If Wojo can pull that off, 1 and 2 could be possible and DJ Carton will be wishing he's gotten over his BIG addiction.

Cripe, if Loyola can make the final four with the team they had last year, we should be able to win it all this year. Plus a priest on the bench beats a nun!

The Big East is something that needs to happen for no reason other than Villanova needs to be dethroned. That may be as tough as 1 and 2, especially since Jay Wright is an incredible coach. But the team we have coming into the year could do it if.....

As to the Computer Castle, we need to get back to having a pit. A place no one wants to play because they get their backside handed to them.

Good post.

PS You realize Nova is not the defending BE champion right?
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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2018, 09:08:55 AM »
Good post.

PS You realize Nova is not the defending BE champion right?

They won the conference tournament so it sortve depends on what you call Big East Champion
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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2018, 09:28:28 AM »
I'm not sure an NIT team is going to make the jump to a top 15 team/top 3 seed when they lost their best offensive player and didn't add any immediate NBA talent (I think Joey eventually gets there and maybe even Bailey, but I don't think they'll have a lottery pick type of impact on MU's season this year).

That would be my dream for this season.

My expectation is a top 4 finish in the BE and a top 7 seed.

Agree until we have some good wins under our belt. Lots of ifs need to come together.

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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2018, 11:09:37 AM »
Plus a priest on the bench beats a nun!

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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2018, 01:42:01 PM »
This is how #MeToo came to the Catholic Church...

Brother Brew, "beats" refers to hierarchy, as in having a priest on the bench exceeds having a nun on the bench.

That's official church doctrine. It may be outdated, but it's canon law for now. Priestly duties exceed those of nun duties.

What did you think I meant?

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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2018, 02:17:05 PM »
Brother Brew, "beats" refers to hierarchy, as in having a priest on the bench exceeds having a nun on the bench.

That's official church doctrine. It may be outdated, but it's canon law for now. Priestly duties exceed those of nun duties.

What did you think I meant?

He was joking.  The way you phrased it,  it could be read as a priest is physically beating a nun on the bench
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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2018, 07:24:00 PM »
Brother Brew, "beats" refers to hierarchy, as in having a priest on the bench exceeds having a nun on the bench.

That's official church doctrine. It may be outdated, but it's canon law for now. Priestly duties exceed those of nun duties.

What did you think I meant?



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« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2018, 08:21:52 AM »


Didn't think I needed teal for that one...  ;D

I know, but I also don't need to become the Scoop Sacrificial Warrior to the "Me Too " Crowd.

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Re: This team does not need heroic leaps forward
« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2018, 12:39:00 AM »
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1024776234524442625

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1024775902788575234

Rothstein says that Wojo says that the Hauser bros should be ready to do. Joey has been fully cleared and Sam will be cleared when practice officially begins.
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« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2018, 04:38:17 AM »
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1024776234524442625

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1024775902788575234

Rothstein says that Wojo says that the Hauser bros should be ready to do. Joey has been fully cleared and Sam will be cleared when practice officially begins.

He knows someone will be cleared 9 weeks ahead of time?

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« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2018, 08:06:01 AM »
He knows someone will be cleared 9 weeks ahead of time?


First, that's not difficult to predict.  It implies no setbacks, but I would interpret this to mean that his rehab is going smoothly.

Second, he said "when practice officially begins."  It doesn't preclude him from being cleared earlier.

 

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