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Author Topic: Cracked Sidewalks: St. John's Moves into Virtual Tie - Providence to 4th  (Read 4387 times)

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Two years ago, Wojo split with Jay Wright. Wojo is great!

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Even if Mullin is a better coach than Wojo (and there's no indication that's the case) it speaks change that Mullin sucks and the only thing he's succeeded at doing in 3 years is failing to meet expectations. Maybe he finally figures it out, but more likely half the team transfers out by January and they lose double digit conference games again.

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Well, considering we split with St. John's the last two seasons, and Mullin is 1-year behind Wojo in time on the job - not sure we should be calling Mullin awful.

You're right. Mullin hasn't shown yet that he's awful.

He's still several rungs below awful. Putrid, perhaps? Rancid? Malodorous?

Then again, St. John's did beat Duke the only time they've played in the last 3 years, and Mullin is several decades behind Coach K. Ipso fatso, CM > K.
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Even if Mullin is a better coach than Wojo (and there's no indication that's the case) it speaks change that Mullin sucks and the only thing he's succeeded at doing in 3 years is failing to meet expectations. Maybe he finally figures it out, but more likely half the team transfers out by January and they lose double digit conference games again.

You realize this logic reflect poorly on our coach, correct?  We lost each of the last two years to Mullin coached teams that lost double digit conference games and dealt with depleted rosters.

Furthermore this awful, putrid, rancid, malodorous coach - Chris Mullin - has his team in Year 4 now positioned in a virtual tie via Value Add with MU in Year 5 of the Wojo regime? 

End of the day, Golden Avalanche offered up his usual awful take - that Mullin is worst coach in the league.  If you believe that to be true, then Wojo has to be right alongside Mullin.


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You realize this logic reflect poorly on our coach, correct?  We lost each of the last two years to Mullin coached teams that lost double digit conference games and dealt with depleted rosters.

Furthermore this awful, putrid, rancid, malodorous coach - Chris Mullin - has his team in Year 4 now positioned in a virtual tie via Value Add with MU in Year 5 of the Wojo regime? 

Value Add and others are overrating St. John's. Having Heron included doesn't help, but even then it's true. Let the season play out, bud.

Yes, we lost last season to St. John's... if you recall, it was their third win in a row, having beat Nova and Duke in the games before us. They shot an insane 68.0% eFG% against us -- by FAR their best shooting of the entire season -- and were able to win by single digits at home against the Warriors. It's no secret that our defenses have been bad - and should improve nicely this season - but it was an especially rough night eFG% def wise at St. John's, and our offense was off (sub-50% eFG%). It'll be OK.

Wojo has done far better than Chris and will again this season.

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Two years ago, Wojo split with Jay Wright. Wojo is great!

Ners has not refuted this. He knows I'm right.

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Wojo is 4-2 vs. Mullin. Not that that is a good way to compare coaches. But why focus on 2-2 the last two years when it is 4-2 overall?

I certainly haven't been impressed by Mullin so far...mostly because it doesn't seem like St. John's ever has an offensive game plan...but the next two years are really what will make or break him. He had a rebuild just as difficult or even harder than Wojo did when he took over. He has yet to get them close to the promised land. If he makes the tournament this season and improves next season, then I think he's on the right track. Unless Heron is ruled eligible (personally doubt it), I think they will fall short.

Value Add and others are overrating St. John's. Having Heron included doesn't help, but even then it's true. Let the season play out, bud.

I agree with this. I think systems like value add really like St. John's because their top 5 players are very solid statistically. But the depth is not there and I don't see them being more than the sum of their parts. But time will tell.
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No, Zaire is the new Kostas. But there's no indication McKnight could play successfully at a lower level, seems unlikely he'll succeed at this level. I expect him to simply be bad. Value Add has him way too high, in my opinion.
You also said Kamar Baldwin sucked and we see how that turned out.

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You also said Kamar Baldwin sucked and we see how that turned out.

Henry Ellenson should be a beast for MU in his senior season next year!

If only we would’ve given Kostas 2 years of scholarship to give us 4 and 2 in his one season played, putting him on the court with Hank next year would be lethal!

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Wojo is 4-2 vs. Mullin. Not that that is a good way to compare coaches. But why focus on 2-2 the last two years when it is 4-2 overall?

5-2.  MU beat SJU in the BET in Mullin's first year.

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You realize this logic reflect poorly on our coach, correct?  We lost each of the last two years to Mullin coached teams that lost double digit conference games and dealt with depleted rosters.

Nope. That's dumb. You are trying to use a transitive property that would say the same about Jay Wright and Coach K. You're trying to analyze on a micro level when the conversation is macro.

You also said Kamar Baldwin sucked and we see how that turned out.

Baldwin was crap in the non-conference last year and in general is one of the more overrated players in the league. He was better in conference play, no doubt, but is still just a mid-level starter in the league.

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Baldwin was crap in the non-conference last year and in general is one of the more overrated players in the league. He was better in conference play, no doubt, but is still just a mid-level starter in the league.

Yep. Will be interesting to see what he does with Kelan Martin gone this year...

BEast stats:
Baldwin: 106.6 ORtg, 24.7% usage, 50.6% eFG%, 17.4% DR%, 17.9% ast rate, 14.3% to rate, 2.2% stl%
Our sophomores from his class...
Sam: 131.8 ORtg, 17.2% usage, 65.5% eFG%, 20.6% DR%, 14.8% ast rate, 10.5% to rate, 1.4% stl%
Markus: 110.2% ORtg, 29.4% usage, 54.3% eFG%, 10.1% DR%, 19.6% ast rate, 16.0% to rate, 2.0% stl%

Different tier than MU's guys, hey? <shrug>

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Re: Nova 11th, SJU 22nd, MU 23rd, Prov 27
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2019, 12:33:29 AM »
This model is tainted as it has Quincy McKnight as the 1769 best player in the country. That just doesn’t pass any test of reasonableness for an All Conference player.

Holy smokes! Conference #'s: 93.5 ORtg, 23.9% usage, 49.3% eFG%, 26.1% turnover rate (!!!) Yuuuuck. Your guy is what we thought he was. Just not very good at this level, bud.

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Re: Nova 11th, SJU 22nd, MU 23rd, Prov 27
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2019, 08:55:42 AM »
Holy smokes! Conference #'s: 93.5 ORtg, 23.9% usage, 49.3% eFG%, 26.1% turnover rate (!!!) Yuuuuck. Your guy is what we thought he was. Just not very good at this level, bud.

While I love a good Quincy McKnight troll, and he has been decidedly below average as you and most others aside from Herman expected, he does have the 4th highest steals rate in conference play and I really hope he does not have a field day in that respect tonight