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How do you view the overall state of Marquette's basketball program today?

A -- On the right path, headed for being a strong if not elite program. It's just a matter of time.
B -- Good program with some weaknesses that need to be addressed in the off-season.
C -- Average program for an upper level NCAA school. Needs to improve substantially to become strong if not elite.
D -- Borderline program that has significant deficiencies, including coaching and on-court personnel.
F --  Abject failure. Burn the thing to the ground and start over.

Author Topic: State of the Program  (Read 15074 times)

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State of the Program
« on: April 10, 2018, 12:07:13 PM »
OK, we've had quite a bit of debate on Wojo, the team and the coaching staff. I'm curious what Scoopers think the state of our program really is. Does Marquette's basketball program appear on the right track overall, or do we need some serious course corrections.

The pool uses an "A" to "F" grading system.

So where are we today? And how do you think it compares to a year ago?

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2018, 12:11:46 PM »
this will end well
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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2018, 12:29:23 PM »
Lens

I was thinking the same thing. I think I will rubberneck this one. I have a feeling no one has changed their opinion much over the past couple of weeks.

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2018, 12:46:11 PM »
I don't think the grades match the descriptions.  I'd give the current grade a B-, but I think the description you provided for A is closer to how I feel about the program direction. 

Not sure any changes really need to be made this offseason, beyond vastly improving D, which I think will happen simply due to personnel.
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2018, 12:47:29 PM »
I don't think the grades match the descriptions.  I'd give the current grade a B-, but I think the description you provided for A is closer to how I feel about the program direction. 

Not sure any changes really need to be made this offseason, beyond vastly improving D, which I think will happen simply due to personnel.

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2018, 12:48:22 PM »
I think we should start another thread about expectations while we're at it.

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2018, 12:58:30 PM »
Bring back football.

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2018, 01:03:37 PM »
Is this the thread where we get to express our displeasure about the elimination of the Media Guide?

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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2018, 01:03:53 PM »
Poll not legit, no Arby's
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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2018, 01:25:11 PM »
If we can't have a football team called the warriors coached by McAdams, then who cares?
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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2018, 01:32:32 PM »
If we can't have a football team called the warriors coached by McAdams, then who cares?

They should play all their games at McCormick

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2018, 01:46:06 PM »
Sponsored by the Avalanche, Hegarty's, and Wales on Wells. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2018, 01:47:55 PM »
Whatda y'all tink 'bout dat on campus arena, hey?
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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2018, 01:53:25 PM »
The correct answer is 'Wisconsin.'
Duh.

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2018, 02:18:27 PM »
If we can't have a football team called the warriors coached by McAdams, then who cares?
Sponsored by the Avalanche, Hegarty's, and Wales on Wells. 
They should play all their games at McCormick

And Gail Pudvan for head cheerleader!
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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2018, 02:20:38 PM »
Gail Pudvan, soooo hot. Wanta touch da heine, ahoooo, aina?
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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2018, 02:21:54 PM »
OK, we've had quite a bit of debate on Wojo, the team and the coaching staff. I'm curious what Scoopers think the state of our program really is. Does Marquette's basketball program appear on the right track overall, or do we need some serious course corrections.

The pool uses an "A" to "F" grading system.

So where are we today? And how do you think it compares to a year ago?

Knowing you, I would think that only "Definitely going to the Final Four next year" would merit an "A".   ;)
Have some patience, FFS.

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2018, 02:44:33 PM »
The correct answer is 'Wisconsin.'
Duh.

Are you sure? I thought it was in Michigan.
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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2018, 02:46:49 PM »
In all seriousness, couldn't this thread/poll have waited until we see what the offseason brings in terms of reinforcements for 2018-19?

If Wojo lands one of the best grad transfer PGs and also a top recruit, I would think folks might be a little more optimistic overall than if we go into next season with the status quo.
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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2018, 03:02:10 PM »
Bring back football.

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2018, 03:14:35 PM »
Knowing you, I would think that only "Definitely going to the Final Four next year" would merit an "A".   ;)

Damn straight, though I gave them a "B" and I do think we are headed in the right direction.  ;D

I'm a tough grader, but I show up when I'm in town and watch when I am not.

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2018, 03:18:40 PM »
Poll not legit, no Arby's

Gee, if we think Arby's is excellent dining, why don't we just take some old blue books, remove the staples and eat them too.

Bet they taste the same as an Arby's Roast beef if you put some Horsey Sauce on them.

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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2018, 03:21:33 PM »
Gee, if we think Arby's is excellent dining, why don't we just take some old blue books, remove the staples and eat them too.

Bet they taste the same as an Arby's Roast beef if you put some Horsey Sauce on them.
Add some cheddar
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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2018, 03:22:08 PM »
Lens

Good call on Gail

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2018, 03:50:42 PM »
In all seriousness, couldn't this thread/poll have waited until we see what the offseason brings in terms of reinforcements for 2018-19?

If Wojo lands one of the best grad transfer PGs and also a top recruit, I would think folks might be a little more optimistic overall than if we go into next season with the status quo.

This, big difference if we swing and miss on our grad transfer vs. landing our man.
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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2018, 04:14:24 PM »
Damn straight, though I gave them a "B" and I do think we are headed in the right direction.  ;D

I'm a tough grader, but I show up when I'm in town and watch when I am not.

dg -
Giving the program a "B" for where it is now is not being a tough grader. This Warrior fan will be ecstatic if you're correct!
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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2018, 04:39:19 PM »
Gail Pudvan, soooo hot. Wanta touch da heine, ahoooo, aina?
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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2018, 05:11:43 PM »
In all seriousness, couldn't this thread/poll have waited until we see what the offseason brings in terms of reinforcements for 2018-19?

If Wojo lands one of the best grad transfer PGs and also a top recruit, I would think folks might be a little more optimistic overall than if we go into next season with the status quo.

Agree. Honestly this is also thoroughly discussed after every loss. I think people were firmly entrenched in their positions about 100 threads ago

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2018, 05:46:21 PM »
I would have given Buzz a B his first five years. We were not elite, but we were very good. We had a greater chance of reaching the Sweet 16 under Buzz than we currently have reaching the NCAA tournament.

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2018, 05:46:40 PM »
Agree. Honestly this is also thoroughly discussed after every loss. I think people were firmly entrenched in their positions about 100 threads ago

Not sure I agree. There's a difference between venting after a loss, particularly after a big loss and views about the direction in which we are headed. One of the reasons why I did this now is to move away from the anger of not getting in the tournament; of losing games we should not have lost; and, asking objectively, what do you really think?

So far, I'm surprised. The "B" grade is by far the leader in the first turn. It's not what I expected given the animus of not making the tournament and of the general "fire Wojo" concerns. My sense is that most folks who are Scoopers rather know the challenges our coach faced when Buzz torched the place. We want that Final Four Chick suggested would make me happy (hint, Chick, it would) but we know Rome was not built in a day.

I'm not clairvoyant but it will be interesting to compare the results this year to any polling on the same subject done a year from now. I'm hoping MU 82 is right and we have that Point Guard who will lead us and we've got an inside presence that's gnarly and unforgiving, I doubt there will be any "D"s or "F"s and a lot more "A"s.


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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2018, 05:49:58 PM »
And Gail Pudvan for head cheerleader!

You guys do realize Gail Pudvan is at least 60 years old?

Yeah, believe it or not. She may even be a grandmother.

Would you want someone saying that about YOUR grandmother?

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2018, 06:28:16 PM »
Not sure I agree. There's a difference between venting after a loss, particularly after a big loss and views about the direction in which we are headed. One of the reasons why I did this now is to move away from the anger of not getting in the tournament; of losing games we should not have lost; and, asking objectively, what do you really think?

So far, I'm surprised. The "B" grade is by far the leader in the first turn. It's not what I expected given the animus of not making the tournament and of the general "fire Wojo" concerns. My sense is that most folks who are Scoopers rather know the challenges our coach faced when Buzz torched the place. We want that Final Four Chick suggested would make me happy (hint, Chick, it would) but we know Rome was not built in a day.

I'm not clairvoyant but it will be interesting to compare the results this year to any polling on the same subject done a year from now. I'm hoping MU 82 is right and we have that Point Guard who will lead us and we've got an inside presence that's gnarly and unforgiving, I doubt there will be any "D"s or "F"s and a lot more "A"s.

There will be D's and F's. Unless you remove those options from the poll, of course (and especially if you include Arby's as an option).

I agree with you on the positivity - I think most of us hold a reasoned, positive outlook with some caveats.

My point was that this is the most thoroughly discussed topic on the board, conversations tend to veer in this direction. That's all.

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2018, 06:39:19 PM »
You guys do realize Gail Pudvan is at least 60 years old?

Yeah, believe it or not. She may even be a grandmother.

Would you want someone saying that about YOUR grandmother?

Pics????

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« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2018, 06:43:32 PM »
Pics????
Whats really weird is that 4 Ever might be her grandfather (age wise).

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« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2018, 06:47:21 PM »
Nukey baby, watt year did ya graduate? And, if you say you woodant due her, yer ether lying or dead, hey?
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Pics????

Funny how Butch Lee's pic comes up when you google Gail.

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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2018, 06:51:11 PM »
Sew duz Purvis Short and Oil Can Boyd, hey?
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« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2018, 06:54:24 PM »
Gee, if we think Arby's is excellent dining, why don't we just take some old blue books, remove the staples and eat them too.

Bet they taste the same as an Arby's Roast beef if you put some Horsey Sauce on them.


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« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2018, 08:09:32 PM »
dg -
Giving the program a "B" for where it is now is not being a tough grader. This Warrior fan will be ecstatic if you're correct!
Definitely a soft grader.
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« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2018, 09:02:34 PM »
Funny how Butch Lee's pic comes up when you google Gail.
But of course
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« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2018, 01:03:18 AM »
You guys do realize Gail Pudvan is at least 60 years old?

Yeah, believe it or not. She may even be a grandmother.

Would you want someone saying that about YOUR grandmother?
Yes. Yes I would.
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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2018, 11:24:44 PM »
A lot of optimism or delusional?

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« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2018, 07:06:48 PM »
This, big difference if we swing and miss on our grad transfer vs. landing our man.

Do you think that determines if we make NCAA or not?
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« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2018, 11:22:07 AM »
Do you think that determines if we make NCAA or not?
As of what we have right now unless one of the guards take a big step on handles, yes could go from maybe to it would be a disappointment "fire Wojo"
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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2018, 08:51:11 PM »
In all seriousness, couldn't this thread/poll have waited until we see what the offseason brings in terms of reinforcements for 2018-19?

If Wojo lands one of the best grad transfer PGs and also a top recruit, I would think folks might be a little more optimistic overall than if we go into next season with the status quo.

Well, how do you feel now?

Has anyone who gave the program a "C" changed their mind and upgraded to a "B". Likewise, any Bs headed to "A"s?

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« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2018, 11:01:41 PM »
Well, how do you feel now?

Has anyone who gave the program a "C" changed their mind and upgraded to a "B". Likewise, any Bs headed to "A"s?

I'm not the best to ask because I never take these polls. I felt the state of the program was good before we got JC. Now I'm feeling all the better about it.

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Re: State of the Program
« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2018, 08:10:11 PM »
Pics????
Here is a recent Gail Pudvan Photo....credit:

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« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2018, 08:34:03 PM »
Cell phone holster, tough look.

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« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2018, 09:48:51 PM »
Yikes, aina?
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« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2018, 09:53:38 PM »
Yikes,

Out in California....

I'll be impressed if someone gets the music reference.

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« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2018, 09:48:21 AM »
Out in California....

I'll be impressed if someone gets the music reference.

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« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2018, 09:29:49 AM »
Pat McCurdy & Yipes @ The Grill with $1 pitchers at the Mugrack...

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/yipes/yipes/


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« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2018, 09:54:25 AM »
Spam bump notwithstanding, the weaknesses have already been addressed this off-season, and I would change my vote for state of the program from B to A using this criteria

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« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2018, 11:58:17 AM »
Pat McCurdy & Yipes @ The Grill with $1 pitchers at the Mugrack...

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/yipes/yipes/

Is Pat McCurdy really still alive/performing? The man looked one Nomad's Prix Fix away from a cardiac 15 years ago...
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