2018-19 Media Predictions

[brewcity77]

If you did know anything about their incoming class,  you would know why they are ranked so high.

https://247sports.com/college/oregon/Season/2018-Basketball/Commits

Currently the #2 class in the country

I was aware and think they're still way, way too high. I look at this list at teams like Oregon and LSU that are based largely off unproven recruits and think back to 2016 LSU with Ben Simmons. I'd put more stock in teams with proven players, especially at programs that don't have Duke or Kentucky sizes like success at integrating star freshmen.

I'm also surprised K State isn't in here. They return almost everyone from an E8 team that was also top-4 in the best league in the country.

[Pakuni]

If you did know anything about their incoming class,  you would know why they are ranked so high.

https://247sports.com/college/oregon/Season/2018-Basketball/Commits

Currently the #2 class in the country

How do recruiting class rankings translate into immediate on-court success? For discussion's sake:

2017 recruiting class rankings of the Final Four teams:
Kansas #9
Villanova #28
Michigan #43
Loyola #103

The other Elite 8 teams:
Duke #1
Florida State #12
Texas Tech  #39
Kansas State #92

Sweet 16:
Kentucky #2
Texas A&M #29
Purdue #34
Syracuse #38
Clemson #46
West Virginia #66
Nevada #101
Gonzaga #120

In the meantime, six of the top 20 classes didn't make the tournament, and seven others didn't get out of the first round.

[HutchwasClutch]

Would be nice to see Marquette showing up on some lists. Been way too long.

Agree.  And they should be on next year's lists.  Rowsey is only loss of consequence, and on the defensive end, it will be nothing but a gain without him.  We're deep and talented, and will have 5 upperclassmen, plus 3 sophomores who played a lot, so experience is no longer an issue. J. Hauser is a big time talent who will be one of the go to guys next year.

True PG to run the show is only piece missing and that may yet be solved.  If it is, I feel strongly we're a top 20 team when all accounts are settled next year.

[Its DJOver]

In the meantime, six of the top 20 classes didn't make the tournament, and seven others didn't get out of the first round.

And one of those was Oregon.  Good recruiting can and should put you on these way too early lists, but top 10 after a NIT season is a stretch.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Easy folks,  was just explaining why Oregon was ranked so high. These lists always put top recruiting classes at the top. I don't think they are top 10 either

[DCHoopster]

Would be nice to see Marquette showing up on some lists. Been way too long.

Rarely do writers look that close at teams that are ranked around 50 or so.  Morrow is probably not on anybodies radar or for that matter Joey who played one game
last year and Bailey being gone for 2 years.  If you add Bailey, Morrow and Joey as a recruiting class it would be ranked pretty high.  Add a transfer and it would be
Top 10.  Then again, 2 of the players have question marks.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Isn't Ryan cute onean the one who wrote the article?

With those guys they lost to Xavier despite being tied with about 2 minutes to go, lost to UCLA in final seconds.  15th is way too high, but Wisconsin will be a NCAA team next year.  I'd say 26th to 30th range.

Chicos with his daily dose of Badgers love.

[Pakuni]

Just for fun, here's the Sporting News' 2017-18 preseason top 25.
Notable inclusions:
#6 Louisville
#10 Minnesota
#12 UCLA
#15 USC
#24 Northwestern


http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-recruiting-2017-2018-duke-kentucky-uk-arizona-louisville-michigan-ucla/9km64x4imz0z1icg9m122z6f4

[augoman]

While I find it laffable that wisco is 15, I find it remarkable that vpi is 19.  Quite a powerful building program by Buzz at a previous nonentity.  Same amount of time Wojo has had.  Hmmm

[Pakuni]

While I find it laffable that wisco is 15, I find it remarkable that vpi is 19.  Quite a powerful building program by Buzz at a previous nonentity.  Same amount of time Wojo has had.  Hmmm

VPI was 22nd in last year's preseason rankings. Not likely to be in the top 30 in the final poll.
Clearly an underachieving performance.

[GGGG]

While I find it laffable that wisco is 15, I find it remarkable that vpi is 19.  Quite a powerful building program by Buzz at a previous nonentity.  Same amount of time Wojo has had.  Hmmm

Yes I think we should have this debate (again) in yet another thread.  I am sure it will be productive, with new arguments unleashed and many minds changed.

[Lennys Tap]

Should we change the title to 18-19 Badger Predictions - since it appears that's all anyone wants to talk about?

Hard to talk about MU prediction in this context since our Warriors didn't get a mention.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Just for fun, here's the Sporting News' 2017-18 preseason top 25.
Notable inclusions:
#6 Louisville
#10 Minnesota
#12 UCLA
#15 USC
#24 Northwestern


http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-recruiting-2017-2018-duke-kentucky-uk-arizona-louisville-michigan-ucla/9km64x4imz0z1icg9m122z6f4

To be fair, if not most services had rankings similar to these for these schools. There are always teams that over and underachieve.

[Pakuni]

To be fair, if not most services had rankings similar to these for these schools. There are always teams that over and underachieve.

Right ... the point being, nobody should get worked up about this.
The same would be true if Marquette were ranked in the top 10.

[Lennys Tap]

To be fair, if not most services had rankings similar to these for these schools. There are always teams that over and underachieve.

Well, don't know where Sporting News has us slotted (26th, 36th, 46th?) but sooner or later meeting low expectations won't get it.

[Goose]

Lenny

I do not think these predictions hold much water, but it BE does not have a lot of exposure on the list. Impossible to guess where MU would fall, but I am guessing they do not have have us third best team going into next year. Could be wrong on that, but my guess is they have have us at 4-6 best team in BE.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Well, don't know where Sporting News has us slotted (26th, 36th, 46th?) but sooner or later meeting low expectations won't get it.

I wasn't talking about Marquette at all in my post but ok.

Honestly I don't think Sporting News has us ranked anywhere at this point. I seriously doubt the writer spent that much time researching this article.

[mu03eng]

Look at it this way, the Badger fans are going to treat this as gospel and when they fail to make the tournament again next year(my prediction) Bucky fans will burn and it will be awesome

[HutchwasClutch]

To be fair, if not most services had rankings similar to these for these schools. There are always teams that over and underachieve.

Exactly why these rankings are a load of dung. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Exactly why these rankings are a load of dung.

I wouldn't call them a load of dung, some of them (not this one IMHO) are based on good research and statistical analysis. We pointed out the 5 sporting news were really wrong on but the other 20 weren't that far off. But yes,  basketball isn't played on paper. Just because some article says a team will be good or bad does not make it so. Especially when transfer season has barely started

[HutchwasClutch]

I wouldn't call them a load of dung, some of them (not this one IMHO) are based on good research and statistical analysis. We pointed out the 5 sporting news were really wrong on but the other 20 weren't that far off. But yes,  basketball isn't played on paper. Just because some article says a team will be good or bad does not make it so. Especially when transfer season has barely started

I agree and I'll walk back my previous remark some...some of these are clearly written by clowns like this Sporting News hack.  The way it's written appears he's done almost zero actual research and analysis of the college basketball landscape.  Just grab school that have been good recently.  For crying out loud, he has Duke #2 even though no starter is projected to return.  As Kentucky has demonstrated just bringing in 4 or 5 guys that are projected one and dones isn't enough to be at that level. 

[DCHoopster]

I agree and I'll walk back my previous remark some...some of these are clearly written by clowns like this Sporting News hack.  The way it's written appears he's done almost zero actual research and analysis of the college basketball landscape.  Just grab school that have been good recently.  For crying out loud, he has Duke #2 even though no starter is projected to return.  As Kentucky has demonstrated just bringing in 4 or 5 guys that are projected one and dones isn't enough to be at that level.

Duke is bringing in 4 Top 10 kids, and the top 3 for next year.  They will be fine.  Can they co-exist together, that is what Coach K does best with the USA teams so he
understands how to do it.

[HutchwasClutch]

Duke is bringing in 4 Top 10 kids, and the top 3 for next year.  They will be fine.  Can they co-exist together, that is what Coach K does best with the USA teams so he
understands how to do it.

I never said they won't be fine next year.  But to place them at #2 preseason is off base.  Again, see Kentucky this year.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I am think readers are mistaken.  This is the not too early FBI Top 25 Most Wanted list.

[Seashells]

I can see why Grimes went to Kansas. #1 ranked team coming off of a Final Four. Compared to Marquette, it's a no brainer.

I believe the pitch was that he would be "the guy" at MU and could make his mark - like Wade.  At Kansas he's just another in a long line of 5* recruits.