10th Annual FFC Day

[Billy Hoyle]

Hated that prick, 21-11 and first round conference and Ncaa bowouts, usually looking overwhelmed in the process.  Our gain was indianas loss, 10 years without that smug pretty boy has been nice!!

2002 - lost by 2 when Wade ran away from the inbounds pass on the final play
2003 - lost in the first round.... if you ignore the three wins to get to the Final Four
2006 - lost by 5 after Novak misses the shot to tie the game with less than 3 seconds left
2007 - lost by 12 (I guess this is a blowout??). Jerel's injury in the closing weeks of the season was a killer
2008 - won first-round game lost in the second round in OT to Stanford (3 NBA players on that roster) on a ridiculous last-second shot

Yep, a ton of blowouts. LOL.

As for the Big East Tourney
2006 - first round loss by three to Georgetown
2007 - second round loss to Pitt (finalist). No Jerel
2008 - semi-final loss to eventual champ Pitt by eight

one first round loss. Hmmmm

[T-Bone]

So... not about the FFP program... 
Don't care.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Crean took the student base from 200 student season tickets to over 3,000 sold each year. Still happens today, because of Tom Crean!

[Nukem2]

Crean took the student base from 200 student season tickets to over 3,000 sold each year. Still happens today, because of Tom Crean!

Yep.  Some folks here really don't know what end is up or have a personal issue.  Too bad for them.

[swoopem]

So... not about the FFP program... 
Don't care.

Thanks a lot, Pilarz

[Coleman]

Was a student at MU for the late Crean and early Buzz years. I harbor no ill will against either of them. They weren't perfect people, and I hated the way both of them left, but damn were their teams fun to watch (most of the time). I have great memories of those Crean and Buzz teams, and consider myself lucky to have been a student during that run. Onward.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I don't care that he's an alumnus.  He acts like a buffoon on this board and has an unreasonable and dangerous obsession over the best coach MU has had since Al.

Buzz was the best coach since Al. Not even close between him and Crean.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Crean has a Final Four and built the program. Buzz took over a program that was rolling from Crean.

[Lennys Tap]

Crean has a Final Four and built the program. Buzz took over a program that was rolling from Crean.

If "rolling" = two missed NCAA tournaments and one NCAA tournament win in the 5 years before Buzz took over - then yeah.

[tower912]

Crean: 190 wins, 5 NCAA appearances in 9 years.

[Coleman]

If you look at where the program was when each took over, each did a solid job of moving the program forward. Objectively, Buzz's resume at MU is better than Crean's, but Crean was starting from a much lower place. MU was fortunate to have both.

[Herman Cain]

Good research report  on Creans early overtures.

https://www.dawgnation.com/football/recruiting/uga-basketball-how-do-the-signees-feel-about-tom-crean

[Lennys Tap]

I don't care that he's an alumnus.  He acts like a buffoon on this board and has an unreasonable and dangerous obsession over the best coach MU has had since Al.

4ever has an unreasonable and dangerous obsession over Buzz? Really? Don't believe it.

[Jockey]

Time to move on.

So soon?

[Dr. Blackheart]

So soon?

Four score and seven years ago...

[Billy Hoyle]

If you look at where the program was when each took over, each did a solid job of moving the program forward. Objectively, Buzz's resume at MU is better than Crean's, but Crean was starting from a much lower place. MU was fortunate to have both.

Crean inherited a program in CUSA, with the Old Gym as a practice facility, offices in the 1212 building, a student section of 400 and an overall average attendance of around 10,000. He also inherited strict admission standards for incoming and JUCO's (he had to go all the way to Father Wild to get Wade admitted and needed to graduate one JUCO to get another JUCO). He also inherited Mike Deane's players.

Buzz inherited a Big East program, MU's all-time leading scorer*, a three-time all Big East player (and BE freshman of the year) in DJ, 2 future NBA players in Wes and Lazar (a first round pick), the Al, increased funding and was able to get academic standards for incoming and JUCO's reduced to "are they eligible? Ok then."

Crean left the program one ridiculous shot by a future NBA All-Star away from a Sweet 16. Buzz left it 13-18 and its off court and academic reputation in tatters. Advantage: Crean.

[4everwarriors]

Yeah butt, T-Cubed is a total fraud and a first class ass hole. Takes a while for the slow learners to catch on, aina?

[Nukem2]

Yeah butt, T-Cubed is a total fraud and a first class ass hole. Takes a while for the slow learners to catch on, aina?

Sounds like a personal problem.......might want to keep it to yourself..........??

[Billy Hoyle]

Yeah butt, T-Cubed is a total fraud and a first class ass hole. Takes a while for the slow learners to catch on, aina?

Yeah, that's why the athletics staff longed for Tom and Joani during Buzz's reign of error.

So TC snubbed you once, grow up, get over it.

[Lennys Tap]

Yeah, that's why the athletics staff longed for Tom and Joani during Buzz's reign of error.

If by the athletic staff you mean Chico, then yeah.

[Lennys Tap]

Crean inherited a program in CUSA, with the Old Gym as a practice facility, offices in the 1212 building, a student section of 400 and an overall average attendance of around 10,000. He also inherited strict admission standards for incoming and JUCO's (he had to go all the way to Father Wild to get Wade admitted and needed to graduate one JUCO to get another JUCO). He also inherited Mike Deane's players.

Buzz inherited a Big East program, MU's all-time leading scorer*, a three-time all Big East player (and BE freshman of the year) in DJ, 2 future NBA players in Wes and Lazar (a first round pick), the Al, increased funding and was able to get academic standards for incoming and JUCO's reduced to "are they eligible? Ok then."

Crean left the program one ridiculous shot by a future NBA All-Star away from a Sweet 16. Buzz left it 13-18 and its off court and academic reputation in tatters. Advantage: Crean.

C'mon Billy. Strict admission policies for TC? Without Dwyane Wade, one of only two players ever to wear the blue and gold who was a non qualifier, TC doesn't even get an NCAA tourney invite before he gets canned.

[NCMUFan]

Don't know his involvement, but we got into the Big East while he was coach.  Probably the most important event during his coaching stay.   

[🏀]

If by the athletic staff you mean Chico, then yeah.

Incorrect.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

2002 - lost by 2 when Wade ran away from the inbounds pass on the final play
2003 - lost in the first round.... if you ignore the three wins to get to the Final Four
2006 - lost by 5 after Novak misses the shot to tie the game with less than 3 seconds left
2007 - lost by 12 (I guess this is a blowout??). Jerel's injury in the closing weeks of the season was a killer
2008 - won first-round game lost in the second round in OT to Stanford (3 NBA players on that roster) on a ridiculous last-second shot

Yep, a ton of blowouts. LOL.

As for the Big East Tourney
2006 - first round loss by three to Georgetown
2007 - second round loss to Pitt (finalist). No Jerel
2008 - semi-final loss to eventual champ Pitt by eight

one first round loss. Hmmmm

Odd we played our first conference tourney in 2006.  Mu lost in the first round of postseason tourneys as often as not.  Crean list 10+ games in 8-9 years.  He did ok, apart from Dwade for two years, his success was not very successful.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

If "rolling" = two missed NCAA tournaments and one NCAA tournament win in the 5 years before Buzz took over - then yeah.

Haha exactly.
Lets see how people feel about Wojo if he misses NCAAs in years 5 and 6 🤪