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Goose

He very possibly is going to be the guy that tilts the needle, good or bad, next season. If there is real improvement next year, I think Morrow will be a big part of it.

GoldenDieners32

Morrow + Theo gonna be scarrrrrry

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Morrow's sophomore season was better than any big we had this year. (I'm not counting Sam as a big.)

Morrow's sophomore numbers would have been first on the team in rebounding rate on offense, defense, and overall.  He would have been 2nd in block rate and his D rating of 102.9 was much better than Cain's team leading 108.7.

So Morrow projects as our best rebounder and possibly our best defender. We don't need Ed to be a huge scorer. 9-11 ppg would be fine, 7-8 rpg, and solid defense.

Ed could play anywhere from 24 to 32 mpg.  The question is how much small ball Wojo decides to play.  Ed paired with two of Sam, Joey, and Jamal would make for some interesting frontline combinations.

SaveOD238

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 22, 2018, 11:46:48 AM
People also said that about Jamil wilson

Who went on to play in the NBA.  Sure Wilson disappointed us, but it certainly wasn't because he wasn't talented enough.

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: Lazar's Headband on March 22, 2018, 02:31:10 PM
Morrow's sophomore season was better than any big we had this year. (I'm not counting Sam as a big.)

Morrow's sophomore numbers would have been first on the team in rebounding rate on offense, defense, and overall.  He would have been 2nd in block rate and his D rating of 102.9 was much better than Cain's team leading 108.7.

So Morrow projects as our best rebounder and possibly our best defender. We don't need Ed to be a huge scorer. 9-11 ppg would be fine, 7-8 rpg, and solid defense.

Ed could play anywhere from 24 to 32 mpg.  The question is how much small ball Wojo decides to play.  Ed paired with two of Sam, Joey, and Jamal would make for some interesting frontline combinations.

Why not all three? Dare to dream!

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 22, 2018, 02:40:42 PM
Why not all three? Dare to dream!

You know, if Markus can develop his PG skills and Cain can develop some guard skills, that is an intriguing lineup.

MU82

Quote from: skianth16 on March 22, 2018, 01:48:56 PM
He has a 2 year track record from a real conference to go off of. I don't think he's going to be as big a mystery to us as some other guys have been. Sure, there are differences between Nebraska and MU, but knowing that he was a good player at a power 6 school makes me a lot more confident that we'll know what we're getting than we did with recent transfers.

It wasn't about Lockett and Katin being "big mysteries." It was about out-sized expectations and results.

With Lockett, people thought he actually was a scorer and they got down on him quickly when he couldn't shoot. It wasn't until after he established himself as a great team player and above-average defender that Scoopers bought in.

Katin was obviously pressing early and he shot so poorly at the start that it was hard to appreciate his grit, leadership and ballhandling. He finally had a good shooting game against F%cky and peeps started to get off his back and realize what he brought. Him volunteering to come off the bench took away a lot of pressure - a very smart move by Wojo and him.

Like most fans, Scoopers tend to want results 5 minutes ago. Not a very patient lot.
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Quote from: cheese ball chaser on March 22, 2018, 12:16:56 PM
I'm holding out judgement until I see him in Big East play. Don't want to get my hopes up too much...

Amen, I'm Cautious, but optimistic as I trust in Wojo's  evaluation of talent.  Plus he came out of Simeon HS.
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skianth16

Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2018, 02:51:02 PM
It wasn't about Lockett and Katin being "big mysteries." It was about out-sized expectations and results.

I was thinking more along the lines of Rowsey, Froling, Carlino, and Jake when talking about not being sure what to expect. Guys coming from smaller programs or having smaller roles before coming to MU. In those cases, it was hard to know what to expect.

For the guys coming from more established backgrounds, I think it's fair to say both were a bit disappointing. Lockett was worse at MU than ASU by pretty much every measurable statistic. He wasn't a bad addition, but he didn't produce at MU the way he did at ASU. And Katin didn't take as big a step back as Lockett, but the fact that he didn't improve as a senior was probably disappointing to some. Although anyone who saw his first few seasons and expected a big leap probably just had the wrong expectations.

With Morrow, hopefully people just want to see him doing what he did at Nebraska, not too much more, not too much less. If we get the same player he was 2 years ago, I think most fans will really like him and be happy with his output.

GGGG

Quote from: skianth16 on March 22, 2018, 03:28:40 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of Rowsey, Froling, Carlino, and Jake when talking about not being sure what to expect. Guys coming from smaller programs or having smaller roles before coming to MU. In those cases, it was hard to know what to expect.

For the guys coming from more established backgrounds, I think it's fair to say both were a bit disappointing. Lockett was worse at MU than ASU by pretty much every measurable statistic. He wasn't a bad addition, but he didn't produce at MU the way he did at ASU. And Katin didn't take as big a step back as Lockett, but the fact that he didn't improve as a senior was probably disappointing to some. Although anyone who saw his first few seasons and expected a big leap probably just had the wrong expectations.

With Morrow, hopefully people just want to see him doing what he did at Nebraska, not too much more, not too much less. If we get the same player he was 2 years ago, I think most fans will really like him and be happy with his output.


Lockett wasn't disappointing whatsoever.  He had more talent around him in a tougher conference so his minutes and usage went down.  And while he offensively didn't match what he did at ASU, he was great defensively.

Really any player that is stepping up in competition isn't going to match the number they did at lower levels.

brewcity77

Quote from: skianth16 on March 22, 2018, 01:48:56 PM
He has a 2 year track record from a real conference to go off of. I don't think he's going to be as big a mystery to us as some other guys have been. Sure, there are differences between Nebraska and MU, but knowing that he was a good player at a power 6 school makes me a lot more confident that we'll know what we're getting than we did with recent transfers.

It's just a Scoop thing. Lockett and Carlino were written off by mid November. Rowsey looked like a bust because he scored 7 combined points in 5 of his first 6 games (and a bizarre 20 in the other). Jamil, Reinhardt, just about every transfer looks lost early. Luke Fischer was really about the only exception. He didn't get blasted here until later in his career when we were no longer running a zone that masked his defensive deficiencies.

skianth16

Quote from: #bansultan on March 22, 2018, 03:36:04 PM

Lockett wasn't disappointing whatsoever.  He had more talent around him in a tougher conference so his minutes and usage went down.  And while he offensively didn't match what he did at ASU, he was great defensively.

Really any player that is stepping up in competition isn't going to match the number they did at lower levels.

Moving from the Pac-12 to the Big East isn't a huge change. The Big East is better and has tougher competition, but it's not that big of a leap. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on Lockett's time at MU.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: skianth16 on March 22, 2018, 04:01:10 PM
Moving from the Pac-12 to the Big East isn't a huge change. The Big East is better and has tougher competition, but it's not that big of a leap. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on Lockett's time at MU.

The pac 12 is the weakest power conference and isn't physical at all. The old big east was the deepest power conference and extremely physical.
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MU82

Quote from: skianth16 on March 22, 2018, 03:28:40 PM
Lockett was worse at MU than ASU by pretty much every measurable statistic.

Katin didn't take as big a step back as Lockett, but the fact that he didn't improve as a senior was probably disappointing to some.

Lockett showed why stats sometimes lie (or at least don't matter much). The second half of that season, he was an extremely valuable part of an Elite Eight team.

Once he settled in and stopped putting so much pressure on himself, Katin was very valuable. Not only did he make some huge plays - including the winner against Nova - but he had an attitude that told opponents not to eff with us. And his presence on the court made it almost impossible to press us. I was thrilled with what we got out of Katin.

Lockett, I admit I got a little impatient watching him. But the experience taught me a valuable lesson, and I'm much more willing to give players time now.
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GGGG

Quote from: skianth16 on March 22, 2018, 04:01:10 PM
Moving from the Pac-12 to the Big East isn't a huge change. The Big East is better and has tougher competition, but it's not that big of a leap. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on Lockett's time at MU.


You complain a lot.

skianth16


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Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 22, 2018, 12:23:30 PM
Have we ever had a redshirt that wasn't the best player in practice?

Joey, Otule. ;)

Newsdreams

Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2018, 02:51:02 PM
It wasn't about Lockett and Katin being "big mysteries." It was about out-sized expectations and results.

With Lockett, people thought he actually was a scorer and they got down on him quickly when he couldn't shoot. It wasn't until after he established himself as a great team player and above-average defender that Scoopers bought in.

Katin was obviously pressing early and he shot so poorly at the start that it was hard to appreciate his grit, leadership and ballhandling. He finally had a good shooting game against F%cky and peeps started to get off his back and realize what he brought. Him volunteering to come off the bench took away a lot of pressure - a very smart move by Wojo and him.

Like most fans, Scoopers tend to want results 5 minutes ago. Not a very patient lot.
Katin was playing with an ankle injury, once he sat 2/3 games he got his 3 pt shooting back.
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Marquette needs Morrow to be the type of player he was at Nebraska, just two years older.  A physical forward who rebounds well, scores around the basket, and defends.  If his shot has improved, so much the better.  He was a 9-7 player as a sophomore at Nebraska.  One more basket and one more rebound is 11-8.   Think most would happily accept that.   
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Morrow was also playing hurt as a sophomore
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nyg

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/evans-seven-programs-that-could-follow-in-shoes-of-sweet-16-teams

Heck, article has MU maybe going to Sweet 16 next year and didn't even mention Morrow's name.  I think he will be fantastic to MU's hope next year.  No more getting pushed around beneath the rim and have the hands to actually grab rebounds.  Can't wait. 

Jay Bee

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 24, 2018, 09:16:33 AM
Morrow was also playing hurt as a sophomore

It's a very good point... and he was hurt as a frosh. After returning from injury as a Soph, his numbers were rough. Ugly. Except for... the rebounding. That didn't go away.

For me, I expect: Rebounding, Physicality, altered/blocked shots. Similar to Theo.

I hope for: Reduced turnover rate (say, 16%), solid 2FG% (56%+ -- would love higher)..

Not sure: Where he'll land in terms of %Shots.. 14% as a frosh.. 21% as a sophomore. 21% would seem about right with this roster.. but hey.. if we can deliver to him inside in the flow of the offense and he sports something closer to 23 to 24%, cool. I worry about him taking long 2's and 3's.. we'll see.

Hasn't shown much for passing... would also like for him to show off an ability to dish to spot up shooters... think it would be good for him and for the team.

The portal is NOT closed.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: nyg on March 24, 2018, 09:25:33 AM
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/evans-seven-programs-that-could-follow-in-shoes-of-sweet-16-teams

Heck, article has MU maybe going to Sweet 16 next year and didn't even mention Morrow's name.  I think he will be fantastic to MU's hope next year.  No more getting pushed around beneath the rim and have the hands to actually grab rebounds.  Can't wait.

But he also mentions Froling  :o
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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MuMark

Quote from: #bansultan on March 22, 2018, 03:36:04 PM

Lockett wasn't disappointing whatsoever.  He had more talent around him in a tougher conference so his minutes and usage went down.  And while he offensively didn't match what he did at ASU, he was great defensively.

Really any player that is stepping up in competition isn't going to match the number they did at lower levels.

You mean other then Rowsey..... . 8-)

MuMark

Quote from: nyg on March 24, 2018, 09:25:33 AM
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/evans-seven-programs-that-could-follow-in-shoes-of-sweet-16-teams

Heck, article has MU maybe going to Sweet 16 next year and didn't even mention Morrow's name.  I think he will be fantastic to MU's hope next year.  No more getting pushed around beneath the rim and have the hands to actually grab rebounds.  Can't wait.

No mention of the Badgers.......how is that possible...... ;D

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