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Ball handler needed 2018-19

Started by OldWarrior, March 18, 2018, 06:35:11 PM

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OldWarrior

I'm happy with the way Marquette is continuing to win in the NIT, but it is painfully obvious that we lack serious ball handling skills in our backcourt. It would be really helpful if we could find a point guard who is a grad transfer who can also shoot free throws for those pressure moments at the end of the game. Any thoughts that might be?

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Quote from: OldWarrior on March 18, 2018, 06:35:11 PM
I'm happy with the way Marquette is continuing to win in the NIT, but it is painfully obvious that we lack serious ball handling skills in our backcourt. It would be really helpful if we could find a point guard who is a grad transfer who can also shoot free throws for those pressure moments at the end of the game. Any thoughts that might be?

If you look here, you will find some names.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=55365.0


Class71

Nothing new just more and more obvious. Some say Howard is going to improve over the summer and become our new improved point guard. Others feel we will need a grad transfer. We have no control over either option so no point debating which it will be.
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79Warrior

Quote from: Class71 on March 18, 2018, 07:08:17 PM
Nothing new just more and more obvious. Some say Howard is going to improve over the summer and become our new improved point guard. Others feel we will need a grad transfer. We have no control over either option so no point debating which it will be.

I doubt he gets any taller 😀

Mr. Sand-Knit

Two ball handlers would be nice grad transfer n a transfer or frosh
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bilsu

Quote from: Class71 on March 18, 2018, 07:08:17 PM
Nothing new just more and more obvious. Some say Howard is going to improve over the summer and become our new improved point guard. Others feel we will need a grad transfer. We have no control over either option so no point debating which it will be.
It is possible that Howard improves significantly in this area. I think over the last 15 games Rowsey is a significantly better point guard than he was the first 19 games. What tells me that Wojo is a good coach is the improvement of our players during the season. Cain, Elliott and John have significantly improved over day 1. Anim has become an offensive threat. I think Heldt and Hauser are playing to the top of their abilities. In essence Wojo is getting the most out of the talent he has. The only one that may be underperforming is Froling.

GoldenZebra

Quote from: bilsu on March 18, 2018, 08:09:44 PM
It is possible that Howard improves significantly in this area. I think over the last 15 games Rowsey is a significantly better point guard than he was the first 19 games. What tells me that Wojo is a good coach is the improvement of our players during the season. Cain, Elliott and John have significantly improved over day 1. Anim has become an offensive threat. I think Heldt and Hauser are playing to the top of their abilities. In essence Wojo is getting the most out of the talent he has. The only one that may be underperforming is Froling.

It might be a "trial of fire" of sorts. Froling has not been asked to do much, from my perspective, and only came in when there was noone else that could sub in for foul trouble. Cain, Elliot and even Theo have had to play big stretches in tight games and that has begun to show their improvement.

jesmu84

Quote from: bilsu on March 18, 2018, 08:09:44 PM
It is possible that Howard improves significantly in this area. I think over the last 15 games Rowsey is a significantly better point guard than he was the first 19 games. What tells me that Wojo is a good coach is the improvement of our players during the season. Cain, Elliott and John have significantly improved over day 1. Anim has become an offensive threat. I think Heldt and Hauser are playing to the top of their abilities. In essence Wojo is getting the most out of the talent he has. The only one that may be underperforming is Froling.

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Quote from: bilsu on March 18, 2018, 08:09:44 PM
It is possible that Howard improves significantly in this area. I think over the last 15 games Rowsey is a significantly better point guard than he was the first 19 games. What tells me that Wojo is a good coach is the improvement of our players during the season. Cain, Elliott and John have significantly improved over day 1. Anim has become an offensive threat. I think Heldt and Hauser are playing to the top of their abilities. In essence Wojo is getting the most out of the talent he has. The only one that may be underperforming is Froling.

I agree completely that Markus may improve. But even with his improvement, Rowsey struggled against the press when Markus and Sam weren't there as outlets (and even often when they were there). So if we have an improved Markus but no true ballhandler, we might end up right back where we found ourselves in the fourth quarter against Harvard and Oregon.

I look back to our 2009-10 season, when we did far better than most expected. Acker and Cubillan were both excellent ballhandlers, and Butler, DJO and Hayward were all good enough to help out significantly. We would need a TON of improvement by lots of guys to even approach that.

I have faith in Wojo...but I'll feel a lot better about next year if we get a PG.

Marcus92

The difference between Andrew and Markus as the primary ballhandler was abundantly clear in this game. While Andrew got caught with the double team a couple times, he's far more confident and sure-handed overall. And he's hands-down the superior distributor. This will be perhaps the single biggest issue to address for next season.
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Mr. Sand-Knit

Agree Wojo has done well in development but Markus is so far from a competent  ball handler and point guard that there is bo way he can make up that much ground in 6 months.  If he had those talents there would be some indication by now, it clear hes not even close. Hes a solid 2 guard let him play to his talents
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Add a pg and keep developing Howard. Joey is also a good ball handler for a 4.  A ball handling 4 helps a lot against the press.

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Its DJOver

I find threads like this interesting because ideally you should break a press using very little dribbling.  We couldn't break the Harvard press because we tried to do it by dribbling.  We had the most success breaking the Oregon press by passing.

How many Big East teams have a press as good as Oregon's was today.  Based on my observations, most Big East teams have a 3/4 press like us, but very few have a solid full court press.

Markus will suffer breaking presses because he can't see over it to make the right pass, that is why Sam is so vital in press breaking.  When we were able to break the press consistently in the first half, we absolutely torched oregon, that's why they went away from it.

Don't get me wrong, we still need a pass first defensive minded PG, but press breaking is successful because of good passing, not great ballhandeling, although that obviously helps.
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Marcus92

Sam even brought the ball up the court once tonight. Pretty slowly, but he's a very good ball handler and excellent passer.
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Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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We had two bad possessions against the press in a row in the 4th quarter, but I thought we did a great job of breaking the press most of the night. We punished them for the press in the first half.

I feel like if we have a single turnover against a press in a game this board thinks we are terrible at breaking the press. Teams use press defense because it works.
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rocky_warrior

Quote from: Marcus92 on March 18, 2018, 08:44:34 PM
Sam even brought the ball up the court once tonight. Pretty slowly, but he's a very good ball handler and excellent passer.

Yeah, not that MU couldn't use another guard, but with a healthy Sam, Joey, and Elliott next year, I don't see a problem with the press break.  Markus probably doesn't even need to involved except to help if needed.

CTWarrior

Quote from: Its DJOver on March 18, 2018, 08:43:02 PM
I find threads like this interesting because ideally you should break a press using very little dribbling.  We couldn't break the Harvard press because we tried to do it by dribbling.  We had the most success breaking the Oregon press by passing.

How many Big East teams have a press as good as Oregon's was today.  Based on my observations, most Big East teams have a 3/4 press like us, but very few have a solid full court press.

I disagree, against some teams, once the PG gets the ball in his hands the press is over.  We need a guy to just dribble through it like Tony Miller did when destroying Kentucky's press.
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mu_hilltopper

Am I crazy, or .. in his limited moments with the ball, Anim seems pretty solid as a ball handler.

Its DJOver

Quote from: CTWarrior on March 18, 2018, 08:58:10 PM
I disagree, against some teams, once the PG gets the ball in his hands the press is over.  We need a guy to just dribble through it like Tony Miller did when destroying Kentucky's press.
PG like that are very rare.  If we don't get a grad transfer as good a Tony Miller do you think we'd have no chance at press breaking?

If you can get a PG that good you absolutely take him, but having an elite point guard is not the only way to break a press.
Quote from: nyg on May 13, 2024, 02:07:11 PM
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold.  He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.

Its DJOver

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 18, 2018, 08:59:44 PM
Am I crazy, or .. in his limited moments with the ball, Anim seems pretty solid as a ball handler.
He doesn't seem to turn it over, but he also seems hesitant to put the ball on the floor unless he's driving.

I still maintain that you should be able to beat a press by a combined 3 or 4 dribbles.
Quote from: nyg on May 13, 2024, 02:07:11 PM
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold.  He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.

forgetful

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 18, 2018, 08:59:44 PM
Am I crazy, or .. in his limited moments with the ball, Anim seems pretty solid as a ball handler.

He's just smart about not doing things with the ball that he isn't capable of doing.  His handle isn't terrible, but not strong enough to work against pressure.

Maybe a summer of working on it could get him comfortable.