Deep Friar thoughts

[1SE]

When did Buzz take NIT talent to the tournament?  He had multiple players who made the NBA on every single one of his NCAA teams.  He had zero players who made the NBA (so far) on his last MU team - the one that didn't make the post season.

He took first weekend talent and took it deeper on multiple occasions.

And a lot of those players became NBA talent because of Buzz's player development.

And the other ones he got the most out of. I mean big Chris had 0 knees and only 1 eye and he was still playing high caliber ball in the BE FFS.

And I seem to recall this coach missed the NIT it a 1st round pick (who I think actually fell a bit down draft boards during the season)?

[Eye]

When did Buzz take NIT talent to the tournament?  He had multiple players who made the NBA on every single one of his NCAA teams.  He had zero players who made the NBA (so far) on his last MU team - the one that didn't make the post season.

I'm far from a fan of Brent. But I think most people think the 2010 making the tourney was a good coaching job and the 2011 team making the Sweet 16 was a good tourney coaching job.

[79Warrior]

I don't think there is much many coaches could do with this roster.

Who put this roster together? Give me a break. Four years into this rebuild we could end up sub .500. Not sure MU fans would have thought we would be in this position 4 years after he was hired.   

[GGGG]

And a lot of those players became NBA talent because of Buzz's player development.

LOL.  OK.

[Dish]

Can you ban yourself?

I enjoy having PRN back here.

[GGGG]

Who put this roster together? Give me a break. Four years into this rebuild we could end up sub .500. Not sure MU fans would have thought we would be in this position 4 years after he was hired.   

I never said he wasn't a good coach.  He is a very good coach.  But I'm tired of the "he took scrappy guys and turned them into something" stuff.  He had high quality talent. It was awesome that he uncovered a lot of that talent and deserves a ton of credit that he molded it into a good team.  But he didn't simply have "NIT talent."

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Who put this roster together? Give me a break. Four years into this rebuild we could end up sub .500. Not sure MU fans would have thought we would be in this position 4 years after he was hired.

They are not going to finish sub-.500, relax. Though if they drop one to DePaul, Georgetown and St. John's then a warm seat may be warranted.

[GGGG]

They are not going to finish sub-.500, relax. Though if they drop one to DePaul, Georgetown and St. John's then a warm seat may be warranted.

They will lose to Creighton in Omaha and St. John's in NY. 

[1SE]

LOL.  OK.

Seriously? Pretty much every player from that era that made it to the association would have been no where near that conversation coming out of high school (with, ironically, perhaps the exception of Vander). DJO and Buycks? Butler an all star? My memory could be way off, but I don't think these guys were hyped as future NBAers starting their careers (or even when they came into MU).

[Goose]

Book it, folks. Sultan has spoken and SJ and Creighton are both losses.

[79Warrior]

They are not going to finish sub-.500, relax. Though if they drop one to DePaul, Georgetown and St. John's then a warm seat may be warranted.

I said could. And I expect we will lose one of the games you mentioned. Not sure what team you are watching but no game is a given. Just ask Duke today, I am sure they felt just like you do.

[GGGG]

Seriously? Pretty much every player from that era that made it to the association would have been no where near that conversation coming out of high school (with, ironically, perhaps the exception of Vander). DJO and Buycks? Butler an all star? My memory could be way off, but I don't think these guys were hyped as future NBAers starting their careers (or even when they came into MU).

Yeah I think the idea that Buzz turned those guys into NBA talent to be extremely far fetched.

[Goose]

Sultan

Your belief of your ball knowledge is far fetched.

[1SE]

I never said he wasn't a good coach.  He is a very good coach.  But I'm tired of the "he took scrappy guys and turned them into something" stuff.  He had high quality talent. It was awesome that he uncovered a lot of that talent and deserves a ton of credit that he molded it into a good team.  But he didn't simply have "NIT talent."

But that wasn't my point. My point is taking whatever talent level you have and moving it beyond that. So taking talent that should get to the FF and winning the NC - that's a good coach.

A good coach gets more results out of their team than the talent should suggest.

Wojo hasn't done that, and doesn't look to do that this year.

[nyg]

I like Wojo and I think talk of replacing his is borderline moronic but I do think he could become a little bit more of a task master. Guys need to lose minutes when they continue to make the same poor decisions, no matter what their PPG.

By the way, I thought Doug gotlieb was excellent today.

The old saying "love the guy's energy"  and " love the guy's attitude" has hit the high road.  Heldt rarely saw the floor today and Sacar may do same next year.  Sacar hustled, yes, but like even Gottlieb said he's an undersized power forward.  He missed numerous layups and had one rebound and three turnovers.  Sacar will continue his role until next year when Morrow arrives.  Other teams have been just killing us inside. 

As far as Howard/Rowsey, no ther options, live or die with them

[GGGG]

But that wasn't my point.

When did I respond to you?

[1SE]

Yeah I think the idea that Buzz turned those guys into NBA talent to be extremely far fetched.

You pull me something that say "Dwight Buycks, NBA prospect" when he was transferring in and I'll eat my crow.

[CTWarrior]

The old saying "love the guy's energy"  and " love the guy's attitude" has hit the high road.  Heldt rarely saw the floor today and Sacar may do same next year.  Sacar hustled, yes, but like even Gottlieb said he's an undersized power forward.  He missed numerous layups and had one rebound and three turnovers.  Sacar will continue his role until next year when Morrow arrives.  Other teams have been just killing us inside. 

As far as Howard/Rowsey, no ther options, live or die with them

I agree with PRN.  Sit 'em down when they repeatedly do stupid things.  You don't have to sit them forever,, just a few possessions, but make sure they know that stupid or selfish play can't be tolerated.

[Herman Cain]

When did Buzz take NIT talent to the tournament?  He had multiple players who made the NBA on every single one of his NCAA teams.  He had zero players who made the NBA (so far) on his last MU team - the one that didn't make the post season.

Jamil was on the last Buzz team and he made the NBA. He would still be there if the herpes incident hadn't occured.

[Goose]

1SE

Sultan saw it in Dwight. Come on, man.

[NickelDimer]

When did Buzz take NIT talent to the tournament?  He had multiple players who made the NBA on every single one of his NCAA teams.  He had zero players who made the NBA (so far) on his last MU team - the one that didn't make the post season.

The team that started Mo and Cubillan as its backcourt

[GGGG]

The team that started Mo and Cubillan as its backcourt

Two seniors.

[GGGG]

Jamil was on the last Buzz team and he made the NBA. He would still be there if the herpes incident hadn't occured.

That's right.  Thanks.

[GGGG]

You pull me something that say "Dwight Buycks, NBA prospect" when he was transferring in and I'll eat my crow.

I think Dwight turned himself into an NBA player.  If anything, he completely underperformed at Marquette given what he has accomplished since then.

[1SE]

When did I respond to you?

Here.

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Re: Deep Friar thoughts
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I want a coach that can take NIT talent and get it into the tourney.

I want a coach that can take one-and-done talent and make the S16.

Buzz (for his other flaws, and FTR I'm glad he's gone) was that caliber of coach.  I know there aren't many out there. And the ones that are out there might not want to come to MU. But coaches who get paid what our coach gets paid do that.

If we want a coach that takes NCAA talent and gets it to the NCAA and runs a squeaky clean program, fine. If that's the BOT's call, fine. But we sure as hell could pay a lot less for that program.


When did Buzz take NIT talent to the tournament?  He had multiple players who made the NBA on every single one of his NCAA teams.  He had zero players who made the NBA (so far) on his last MU team - the one that didn't make the post season.