From the mouths of babes...

[silverback]

My nephew asked me a question this past week that I admit I didn't know how to answer with any certainty. If this has been kicked around here already, apologies. But, do it for the kids...

Has there been any talk regionally or nationally amidst the pundits about Markus Howard going pro after this year? I told the boy that, while Howard did put up 52 and tosses in additional 30+ games often, he also trots out occasional clunkers (like De Paul) to indicate he's a star, but still developing. I think he's a lock to stay for his junior year and further develop for a possible departure before his senior tour. But, hell, I can't say for sure if he's an NBA prospect at his height.

What else should I tell the kid? Besides "...Never trust someone in red and white unless it's Santa. And, even then, pull the beard."

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

It's been discussed quite a bit. 

I don't think anyone legitimately think Markus is going pro after this season.  His height is always going to be an issue for NBA scouts, and by all accounts, he takes his schooling seriously.  I think Markus will be a four year player, but one that will have just turned 21 on draft day following his senior year. 

[Smokin' Jae]

Yup, just can’t see it after this year. Maybe tests the waters to get some feedback. But it’s very clear that at this moment he lacks the point guard skills for someone with his height. There was a play I believe at Nova where against some token pressure he dribbled the ball off his own foot. Not saying he can’t get there, but as of right now he still needs to develop more as a point guard before M2N becomes a reality.

[The Lens]

He's #39 on ESPN's latest Top 100.  Folks it's starting to get real. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Height and defense. Don't see him overcoming those barriers. But if he starts averaging over 30 points a game like he was for that three game stretch he will get serious looks.

[jesmu84]

Probably needed another thread on potential NBA players...

[Class71]

Height and defense. Don't see him overcoming those barriers. But if he starts averaging over 30 points a game like he was for that three game stretch he will get serious looks.

Would add point guard skills given the height.

[GooooMarquette]

Would add point guard skills given the height.

Yep.  He will get his shot and just might surprise people, but I'm guessing it'll be after 4 years.

[nyg]

He's #39 on ESPN's latest Top 100.  Folks it's starting to get real.

Just spent considerable time looking at almost every mock draft for 2018.

Did not find one in which Markus was listed in first or second round.  Not one, if someone finds one, please post.

Don’t know what it’s starting to get real is all about, unless someone shows he is getting significant draft reviews.  One site said he was measured at 5ft 10 without shoes. 

[The Lens]

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21307077/nba-draft-rankings-espn-top-100-prospects-2018

I 100% agree that he's too short, doesn't play D and cannot break a press.  That all said, Jonathan Givony who has a pretty good reputation in the NBA has him in the 2nd round right now. 

[Silkk the Shaka]

He's #39 on ESPN's latest Top 100.  Folks it's starting to get real.

MAD real

[nyg]

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21307077/nba-draft-rankings-espn-top-100-prospects-2018

I 100% agree that he's too short, doesn't play D and cannot break a press.  That all said, Jonathan Givony who has a pretty good reputation in the NBA has him in the 2nd round right now.

Yeah, can’t see that article, but thanks.  Only mock out there that lists him. 

[mu03eng]

Great analysis from Anonymous Eagle on this topic

https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2017/12/12/16764200/marquette-golden-eagles-markus-howard-nba-professional-possibilities

[The Equalizer]

Probably needed another thread on potential NBA players...

Can't we just roll it into the recruiting thread?

[Galway Eagle]

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21307077/nba-draft-rankings-espn-top-100-prospects-2018

I 100% agree that he's too short, doesn't play D and cannot break a press.  That all said, Jonathan Givony who has a pretty good reputation in the NBA has him in the 2nd round right now.

Does this list take European players into account?

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Someone on here sat next to Markus' parents on the flight home from Maui. IIRC, they pretty much laughed at the suggestion that he may leave early.

I don't think Markus is going anywhere unless he becomes a legit lottery prospect after next season. 

[The Lens]

Here is the text and top 50 listed.  The writer used to operate DraftExpress which came to be known as the best Mock Draft and Draft info site out there. 


"Who are the best prospects in the 2018 NBA draft?

You can find our updated top 100 rankings here throughout the season.


This top 100 differs from our mock drafts in one crucial way: The top 100 is an overall ranking of all draft-eligible prospects in the 2018 NBA draft, regardless of whether or not we believe they are likely to enter -- or ultimately stay in -- the draft.

The mock draft attempts to project which players should or will make themselves eligible in April. And down the road, it will also take into account NBA teams' needs, the draft order and things we've learned about front office tendencies.

The same methodology applies to all of the other rankings we will maintain throughout the season: NCAA freshmen, NCAA sophomores, NCAA juniors, NCAA seniors, point guards, shooting guards, small forwards, power forwards, centers and international draft prospects.

Read more about the latest risers and fallers here.

Draft Rankings: Top 100
PLAYER   POS   TEAM   AGE   HEIGHT   WINGSPAN
1. Luka Doncic   PG   Real Madrid   18.8   6-8   N/A
2. Deandre Ayton   C   Arizona   19.4   7-0   7-5
3. Marvin Bagley III   PF/C   Duke   18.8   6-11   7-0½
4. Mohamed Bamba   C   Texas   19.6   7-0   7-9
5. Michael Porter Jr.   SF/PF   Missouri   19.5   6-10   7-0
6. Trae Young   PG   Oklahoma   19.3   6-2   6-4
7. Jaren Jackson Jr.   PF/C   Michigan St   18.3   6-10   7-4
8. Collin Sexton   PG   Alabama   19.0   6-2   6-7
9. Miles Bridges   SF/PF   Michigan St   19.8   6-6   6-9
10. Mikal Bridges   SF   Villanova   21.3   6-7   7-1½
11. Kevin Knox   SF/PF   Kentucky   18.4   6-9   7-0
12. Robert Williams   PF/C   Texas A&M   20.2   6-9   7-5½
13. Daniel Gafford   PF/C   Arkansas   19.2   6-11   7-2
14. Wendell Carter Jr.   C   Duke   18.7   6-10   7-3
15. Dzanan Musa   SF   Cedevita   18.6   6-9   6-8½
16. Troy Brown   SG   Oregon   18.4   6-7   7-6
17. Lonnie Walker IV   SG   Miami FL   19.0   6-4   6-10½
18. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander   PG/SG   Kentucky   19.5   6-6   7-0
19. Bruce Brown   SG   Miami FL   21.4   6-3   6-8½
20. Chandler Hutchison   SG   Boise St   21.7   6-7   N/A
21. Mitchell Robinson   C   N/A   19.8   6-11   7-4
22. Anfernee Simons   SG   Team Breakdown   18.6   6-4   6-7
23. Trevon Duval   PG   Duke   19.4   6-3   6-3½
24. Hamidou Diallo   SG   Kentucky   19.4   6-5   7-0
25. Shake Milton   PG/SG   SMU   21.3   6-6   7-0
26. De'Anthony Melton   PG/SG   USC   19.6   6-3   6-8
27. Keita Bates-Diop   SF   Ohio St   21.9   6-7   N/A
28. Brandon McCoy   C   UNLV   19.6   6-11   7-1½
29. Khyri Thomas   SG   Creighton   21.6   6-3   N/A
30. Jontay Porter   C   Missouri   18.1   6-10   7-0
31. Justin Jackson   SF/PF   Maryland   20.9   6-7   7-3
32. Jarrey Foster   SG   SMU   21.1   6-6   N/A
33. Rodions Kurucs   SF/PF   Barcelona 2   19.9   6-10   N/A
34. Jalen Hudson   SG   Florida   21.6   6-5   N/A
35. Grayson Allen   SG   Duke   22.2   6-4   6-6½
36. Chimezie Metu   PF/C   USC   20.8   6-10   6-10½
37. Jevon Carter   PG   West Virginia   22.3   6-2   6-3
38. Devonte' Graham   PG   Kansas   22.9   6-2   N/A
39. Markus Howard   PG   Marquette   18.8   6-0    6-0
40. Landry Shamet   PG   Wichita St   20.8   6-4   N/A
41. Marko Simonovic   PF/C   Siena   18.2   7-0   N/A
42. Aaron Holiday   PG   UCLA   21.2   6-1   6-6
43. Jacob Evans   SF   Cincinnati   20.5   6-6   N/A
44. Nickeil Alexander-Walker   PG   Virginia Tech   19.3   6-5   6-9
45. Austin Wiley   C   Auburn   19.0   6-11   7-5
46. Goga Bitadze   C   Mega Bemax   18.4   6-11   7-2
47. Tyus Battle   SG/SF   Syracuse   20.3   6-7   6-8
48. O'Shae Brissett   PF   Syracuse   19.5   6-9   6-11
49. Rawle Alkins   SG   Arizona   20.2   6-5   6-9
50. Jarred Vanderbilt   SF   Kentucky   18.7   6-8   7-1

[nyg]

Here is the text and top 50 listed.  The writer used to operate DraftExpress which came to be known as the best Mock Draft and Draft info site out there. 


"Who are the best prospects in the 2018 NBA draft?

You can find our updated top 100 rankings here throughout the season.


This top 100 differs from our mock drafts in one crucial way: The top 100 is an overall ranking of all draft-eligible prospects in the 2018 NBA draft, regardless of whether or not we believe they are likely to enter -- or ultimately stay in -- the draft.

The mock draft attempts to project which players should or will make themselves eligible in April. And down the road, it will also take into account NBA teams' needs, the draft order and things we've learned about front office tendencies.

The same methodology applies to all of the other rankings we will maintain throughout the season: NCAA freshmen, NCAA sophomores, NCAA juniors, NCAA seniors, point guards, shooting guards, small forwards, power forwards, centers and international draft prospects.

Read more about the latest risers and fallers here.

Draft Rankings: Top 100
PLAYER   POS   TEAM   AGE   HEIGHT   WINGSPAN
1. Luka Doncic   PG   Real Madrid   18.8   6-8   N/A
2. Deandre Ayton   C   Arizona   19.4   7-0   7-5
3. Marvin Bagley III   PF/C   Duke   18.8   6-11   7-0½
4. Mohamed Bamba   C   Texas   19.6   7-0   7-9
5. Michael Porter Jr.   SF/PF   Missouri   19.5   6-10   7-0
6. Trae Young   PG   Oklahoma   19.3   6-2   6-4
7. Jaren Jackson Jr.   PF/C   Michigan St   18.3   6-10   7-4
8. Collin Sexton   PG   Alabama   19.0   6-2   6-7
9. Miles Bridges   SF/PF   Michigan St   19.8   6-6   6-9
10. Mikal Bridges   SF   Villanova   21.3   6-7   7-1½
11. Kevin Knox   SF/PF   Kentucky   18.4   6-9   7-0
12. Robert Williams   PF/C   Texas A&M   20.2   6-9   7-5½
13. Daniel Gafford   PF/C   Arkansas   19.2   6-11   7-2
14. Wendell Carter Jr.   C   Duke   18.7   6-10   7-3
15. Dzanan Musa   SF   Cedevita   18.6   6-9   6-8½
16. Troy Brown   SG   Oregon   18.4   6-7   7-6
17. Lonnie Walker IV   SG   Miami FL   19.0   6-4   6-10½
18. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander   PG/SG   Kentucky   19.5   6-6   7-0
19. Bruce Brown   SG   Miami FL   21.4   6-3   6-8½
20. Chandler Hutchison   SG   Boise St   21.7   6-7   N/A
21. Mitchell Robinson   C   N/A   19.8   6-11   7-4
22. Anfernee Simons   SG   Team Breakdown   18.6   6-4   6-7
23. Trevon Duval   PG   Duke   19.4   6-3   6-3½
24. Hamidou Diallo   SG   Kentucky   19.4   6-5   7-0
25. Shake Milton   PG/SG   SMU   21.3   6-6   7-0
26. De'Anthony Melton   PG/SG   USC   19.6   6-3   6-8
27. Keita Bates-Diop   SF   Ohio St   21.9   6-7   N/A
28. Brandon McCoy   C   UNLV   19.6   6-11   7-1½
29. Khyri Thomas   SG   Creighton   21.6   6-3   N/A
30. Jontay Porter   C   Missouri   18.1   6-10   7-0
31. Justin Jackson   SF/PF   Maryland   20.9   6-7   7-3
32. Jarrey Foster   SG   SMU   21.1   6-6   N/A
33. Rodions Kurucs   SF/PF   Barcelona 2   19.9   6-10   N/A
34. Jalen Hudson   SG   Florida   21.6   6-5   N/A
35. Grayson Allen   SG   Duke   22.2   6-4   6-6½
36. Chimezie Metu   PF/C   USC   20.8   6-10   6-10½
37. Jevon Carter   PG   West Virginia   22.3   6-2   6-3
38. Devonte' Graham   PG   Kansas   22.9   6-2   N/A
39. Markus Howard   PG   Marquette   18.8   6-0    6-0
40. Landry Shamet   PG   Wichita St   20.8   6-4   N/A
41. Marko Simonovic   PF/C   Siena   18.2   7-0   N/A
42. Aaron Holiday   PG   UCLA   21.2   6-1   6-6
43. Jacob Evans   SF   Cincinnati   20.5   6-6   N/A
44. Nickeil Alexander-Walker   PG   Virginia Tech   19.3   6-5   6-9
45. Austin Wiley   C   Auburn   19.0   6-11   7-5
46. Goga Bitadze   C   Mega Bemax   18.4   6-11   7-2
47. Tyus Battle   SG/SF   Syracuse   20.3   6-7   6-8
48. O'Shae Brissett   PF   Syracuse   19.5   6-9   6-11
49. Rawle Alkins   SG   Arizona   20.2   6-5   6-9
50. Jarred Vanderbilt   SF   Kentucky   18.7   6-8   7-1

Again thanks, always like Draft Express.  No other such mock has him though and I am glad Givony has him listed as 6 feet tall....

[Silkk the Shaka]

Great analysis from Anonymous Eagle on this topic

https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2017/12/12/16764200/marquette-golden-eagles-markus-howard-nba-professional-possibilities

Great closing line:

REMEMBER IT’S HIS DECISION AND YOUR DESIRE TO WATCH HIM WEARING A MARQUETTE JERSEY HAS NO EFFECT ON THIS.

[GB Warrior]

Great closing line:

REMEMBER IT’S HIS DECISION AND YOUR DESIRE TO WATCH HIM WEARING A MARQUETTE JERSEY HAS NO EFFECT ON THIS.

What a ridiculous comment. We know recruits are checking Scoop for validation before committing; it's only logical that they do the same when planning their career that is theirs and theirs alone.

[Newsdreams]

So I come in thinking Keefe is back with a monumental amount of photos, but no it is another M2N thread, how disappointing!

[nyg]

So I come in thinking Keefe is back with a monumental amount of photos, but no it is another M2N thread, how disappointing!

Not really.

[Babybluejeans]

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21307077/nba-draft-rankings-espn-top-100-prospects-2018

I 100% agree that he's too short, doesn't play D and cannot break a press.  That all said, Jonathan Givony who has a pretty good reputation in the NBA has him in the 2nd round right now.

If you've got the upside Markus has got, you don't leave school to be drafted in the 2nd round.

[warriorchick]

Again thanks, always like Draft Express.  No other such mock has him though and I am glad Givony has him listed as 6 feet tall....

Ha! Even his MU-listed height of 5'11"is very generous.

Do height measurements include the hairdo?

[naginiF]

Ha! Even his MU-listed height of 5'11"is very generous.

Do height measurements include the hairdo?

he used POTUS's doctor

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Ha! Even his MU-listed height of 5'11"is very generous.

Do height measurements include the hairdo?

Of course they do

[wadesworld]

he used POTUS's doctor

Did the Doc spell his name right this time?

[MU82]

I'd draft Sam ahead of Markus, easy.

I also just commented on the other new thread of this topic about Shamet and Markus.

Mods, seriously, can't these be combined?