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Re: Marquette NBA Thread
« Reply #275 on: July 11, 2018, 09:00:05 AM »
Deonte Burton signed a two way contract with the Thunder.
https://www.nba.com/thunder/summerleague-deonteburton-180708

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Re: Marquette NBA Thread
« Reply #276 on: July 11, 2018, 09:08:20 AM »

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« Reply #277 on: July 11, 2018, 09:10:40 AM »
Deonte Burton signed a two way contract with the Thunder.
https://www.nba.com/thunder/summerleague-deonteburton-180708
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Re: Marquette NBA Thread
« Reply #278 on: July 11, 2018, 09:27:34 AM »
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So he was left with one guy who 5 years later got a 2 way contract and...?

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« Reply #279 on: July 11, 2018, 09:32:22 AM »
So he was left with one guy who 5 years later got a 2 way contract and...?

who also sustained a horrible family tragedy that prompted him to want to get out of his hometown."  Wojo really messed that one up.   
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« Reply #280 on: July 11, 2018, 11:11:00 AM »
Deonte Burton signed a two way contract with the Thunder.
https://www.nba.com/thunder/summerleague-deonteburton-180708

Wow, I know Jamil had his issue, but he certainly seems to be significantly more valuable than Deonte in the coveted 3 & D role and his shot seems to be continuously improving. Hope he at least gets another chance at the league, there's such a fine line between making very good money and hardly any at all, and the window to do so is very small for most.

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« Reply #281 on: July 11, 2018, 12:06:21 PM »
Wow, I know Jamil had his issue, but he certainly seems to be significantly more valuable than Deonte in the coveted 3 & D role and his shot seems to be continuously improving. Hope he at least gets another chance at the league, there's such a fine line between making very good money and hardly any at all, and the window to do so is very small for most.

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« Reply #282 on: July 11, 2018, 03:50:27 PM »
I saw Deonte play for a few minutes the other day. Looked as slow as a plow horse. Also jacked up an airball from 3; acted as if the shot clock was running out but it still had plenty of time - he was just being a gunner.
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« Reply #283 on: July 12, 2018, 10:22:23 AM »
Henry shooting the lights out in summer league

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« Reply #284 on: July 13, 2018, 11:47:30 PM »
Jimmy turns down $100 million 4 year deal.  Will gamble he doesn't get hurt to cash in next year on bigger contract.
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« Reply #285 on: July 14, 2018, 02:36:53 AM »
So he was left with one guy who 5 years later got a 2 way contract and...?
The only thing I'll ever say about Burton is what another scooper said thsy made me spill milk out of my nose.

Sandy Cohen started ahead of deonte Burton. Let's think on that one.

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« Reply #286 on: July 14, 2018, 06:09:31 AM »
Jimmy turns down $100 million 4 year deal.  Will gamble he doesn't get hurt to cash in next year on bigger contract.

Starting to think he has a gambling problem
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« Reply #287 on: July 14, 2018, 10:05:59 AM »
That's nuts. I get he hopefully has tons of money from his 2nd contract still and is set for a couple generations, but that 100 can turn into a 1 year 5 million dollar deal real quick. Thibs running him out there for 40 minutes a night a year older now, the risk profile is huge. He must really hate Minneapolis and Kat/Wiggins.

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« Reply #288 on: July 14, 2018, 10:16:20 AM »
An article on Henry Ellenson’s NBA Summer League by Zach Buckley on Bleacher Report:

Henry Ellenson looks so unpolished that this almost feels like we're picking on the new guy.
Except, like Bender, Ellenson is on summer league No. 3. He's not even three months younger than Devin Booker, who has already skyrocketed to max-contract status. Ellenson, meanwhile, is stuck on the launching pad, holding two-year averages of 3.7 points on 36.2 percent shooting and 2.1 rebounds in 8.3 minutes per game.
His counting categories are up in Vegas but only because the Detroit Pistons are giving him every opportunity they can. He's not only logging 30 minutes per contest, but he's also tied for the fifth-most field-goal attempts in the entire event (66 in four outings, 16.5 per night).
This approach has yet to pay off for the Pistons. He's putting up just 12.9 points on those 16.5 shots. His field-goal percentage is a comically low 25.8, the worst mark among players with 45-plus attempts. He has four made threes on 31 attempts (12.9 percent) and 19 turnovers already.
"He's chucking to an almost insane level, and it isn't working out," Basketball Insiders' Ben Dowsett wrote. "... For a guy like Ellenson, the 18th pick in 2016, this just isn't good enough. He's 21 now, older than many of the guys he's playing against, and this kind of inefficiency is really concerning."
Ellenson is running out of time to impress the Pistons. They clearly think of themselves as a win-now club—why else trade for Blake Griffin and hire Dwane Casey?—and as such won't have the most patience for a sub-37 percent shooting big man. This recent run offers little hope of Ellenson forcing his way into the 2018-19 rotation.
 
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Re: Marquette NBA Thread
« Reply #289 on: July 14, 2018, 10:40:17 AM »
That's nuts. I get he hopefully has tons of money from his 2nd contract still and is set for a couple generations, but that 100 can turn into a 1 year 5 million dollar deal real quick. Thibs running him out there for 40 minutes a night a year older now, the risk profile is huge. He must really hate Minneapolis and Kat/Wiggins.

Salary cap increases next year, he could stay in MPS with even more dollars, but it is a risk for sure.
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« Reply #290 on: July 14, 2018, 10:41:46 AM »
An article on Henry Ellenson’s NBA Summer League by Zach Buckley on Bleacher Report:

Henry Ellenson looks so unpolished that this almost feels like we're picking on the new guy.
Except, like Bender, Ellenson is on summer league No. 3. He's not even three months younger than Devin Booker, who has already skyrocketed to max-contract status. Ellenson, meanwhile, is stuck on the launching pad, holding two-year averages of 3.7 points on 36.2 percent shooting and 2.1 rebounds in 8.3 minutes per game.
His counting categories are up in Vegas but only because the Detroit Pistons are giving him every opportunity they can. He's not only logging 30 minutes per contest, but he's also tied for the fifth-most field-goal attempts in the entire event (66 in four outings, 16.5 per night).
This approach has yet to pay off for the Pistons. He's putting up just 12.9 points on those 16.5 shots. His field-goal percentage is a comically low 25.8, the worst mark among players with 45-plus attempts. He has four made threes on 31 attempts (12.9 percent) and 19 turnovers already.
"He's chucking to an almost insane level, and it isn't working out," Basketball Insiders' Ben Dowsett wrote. "... For a guy like Ellenson, the 18th pick in 2016, this just isn't good enough. He's 21 now, older than many of the guys he's playing against, and this kind of inefficiency is really concerning."
Ellenson is running out of time to impress the Pistons. They clearly think of themselves as a win-now club—why else trade for Blake Griffin and hire Dwane Casey?—and as such won't have the most patience for a sub-37 percent shooting big man. This recent run offers little hope of Ellenson forcing his way into the 2018-19 rotation.
 

Ellenson did the right thing coming out early, that draft class can be argued to be top 3 worst in the last 20 years.  He is an ok player, but journeyman is his destiny.
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Re: Marquette NBA Thread
« Reply #291 on: July 14, 2018, 11:08:21 AM »
Sandy Cohen started ahead of deonte Burton. Let's think on that one.

Sigh. Politifact ranks this statement as: technically true but very misleading.

Sandy Cohen started in exactly 3 games with Deonte Burton on the bench. Most of the time he was coming off the bench as well.

Cohen also only got more minutes in Deonte in a total of 2 games. Deonte got significantly more time in every other game they played together.

In those two games where Cohen got more minutes, he played very well. He averaged 8.5 points, 3 rebounds, 2.0 assists, and shot 60% from the floor and 50% from deep. If he hadn't played well he wouldn't have gotten as many minutes.

Deonte on the other hand did play well in one of those games but also racked up 4 fouls in 13 minutes and was forced to the bench. The other game he shot 1-4 from the floor with 2 turnovers and 2 fouls in only 12 minutes. If he hadn't been in foul trouble or played well he would have gotten more minutes.

The "Cohen started over Burton" line is one of the most tired on this board.
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« Reply #292 on: July 14, 2018, 12:12:21 PM »
Ellenson did the right thing coming out early, that draft class can be argued to be top 3 worst in the last 20 years.  He is an ok player, but journeyman is his destiny.
Unfortunately, given the level of performance to date, those may be foreign journeys.

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« Reply #293 on: July 14, 2018, 12:29:44 PM »
Jimmy turns down $100 million 4 year deal.  Will gamble he doesn't get hurt to cash in next year on bigger contract.

Do players take out an insurance policy to guard against an injury when they do this? It sounds like something Lloyds of London would cover.

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« Reply #294 on: July 14, 2018, 01:00:37 PM »
Unfortunately, given the level of performance to date, those may be foreign journeys.

Yes, a possibility for sure.  He never had the athleticism at MU, not sure why anyone thought he would develop it later.  He made a smart business decision.
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« Reply #295 on: July 14, 2018, 01:15:41 PM »
Yes, a possibility for sure.  He never had the athleticism at MU, not sure why anyone thought he would develop it later.  He made a smart business decision.
Yes he did.  Obviously he could have had an incredible collegiate career had he stayed.  Hard to turn down the money and the opportunity and the dream.  Even if it is a foreign journey going forward, he could still make some additional substantial income.

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« Reply #296 on: July 14, 2018, 02:53:15 PM »
That's nuts. I get he hopefully has tons of money from his 2nd contract still and is set for a couple generations, but that 100 can turn into a 1 year 5 million dollar deal real quick. Thibs running him out there for 40 minutes a night a year older now, the risk profile is huge. He must really hate Minneapolis and Kat/Wiggins.


He will get $188M over 5 from the TWolves after next year if he gets a max contract.  Or $140 M from any other team.

It was a very, very smart move on Butler's part in an NBA where Zach Levine gets $78M.  I mean, even if he gets hurt, he aint getting $5M considering Jabari just got $20M.
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« Reply #297 on: July 14, 2018, 04:02:58 PM »
He will be 30 entering the 2019 season. It's obvious, but the Bulls are paying for potential. The  question marks add up if there's a serious issue. Not a stretch to take a near max level veteran player to a 1 year prove it contract (Cousins, IT) with a single injury. He's betting on himself, I get it, there's risk in everything, I hope he gets paid and keeps being successful.




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« Reply #298 on: July 14, 2018, 04:07:41 PM »
39 year all star is in his prime. Very safe risk.
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« Reply #299 on: July 14, 2018, 04:11:48 PM »
Jimmy will be playing with Lebron next year...