wonder what this will be....

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

No--conversation was you saying "we will NEVER go back to the arena......but we might." That's it. Pretty simple.
You covering both sides. That's it.

I am done with this topic.

No. This was the start of the conversation.

More importantly the old fridge is our leverage to scare the sheet out of these NYC bullies!

The idea of us never going back didn't come up until later. And again, I think we are never going back because the Bucks also need us but the fact that we could go back and would if the Bucks refused to drop the price will help us get a better price in the future. So while I don't think the Old Fridge will "scare the sheet" of the Bucks, it is a form of leverage.

[4everwarriors]

Mecca had its time and place. If you believe the University is commited to its basketball program and wants to be "big league," the thought of returning isn't worth the keyboard its typed on.

[wadesworld]

Mecca had its time and place. If you believe the University is commited to its basketball program and wants to be "big league," the thought of returning isn't worth the keyboard its typed on.

Amen.  That is, was, and never will be an option, and everyone knows it.

[dgies9156]

If MU goes back to the Arena, that means the program is going backwards.

Absolutely. That's why it would never happen.

If we go back, we have bigger problems than where to play.

[GGGG]

Odds:

Staying at new arena beyond 7 years:  85%
Building new arena near campus: 10%
Going back to Arena:  5%

And the only reason the 5% happens is if something catastrophic happens on a Dukietian level to the Marquette program.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Amen.  That is, was, and never will be an option, and everyone knows it.

It's absolutely an option. Its a bad one, but because it is there it keeps the Bucks from charging whatever they want.

[Nukem2]

Odds:

Staying at new arena beyond 7 years:  85%
Building new arena near campus: 10%
Going back to Arena:  5%

And the only reason the 5% happens is if something catastrophic happens on a Dukietian level to the Marquette program.

Nit picking here.  Those are not odds.

[We R Final Four]

I agree that we will never go back to the Fridge.

[4everwarriors]

It's absolutely an option. Its a bad one, but because it is there it keeps the Bucks from charging whatever they want.

Ya got dis all wrong, just sayin'. Let da next 7 years play out. It'll become much clearer as we go forward, hey?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I am done with this topic.

I think we are never going back because I don't believe the Bucks will let us walk. They would rather lower the asking price (assuming their first price was unreasonably high) than see us take our business to the Mecca. But because the option exists it keeps the Bucks from charging a price that is so high that it would be more beneficial for Marquette to play basketball at the Mecca.

This really isn't that hard.

[We R Final Four]

Sorry couldn't let you get away with both sides of the argument..again.

Please answer one question. Then I will be done with you on this one.

As you have told us...we are NEVER going back to the MECCA.
If we are NEVER going back to the MECCA how can going back to the MECCA be a viable option?

That is where I'm stuck.
Please answer that one for me.

[cheebs09]

We won't go back to the Mecca because a solution will come before that. If the Bucks go crazy and the lease offer makes the Mecca more feasible, we will go there. The odds of the Bucks and MU negotiating in the window that makes the Mecca feasible is nill.

[Jay Bee]

Nuthin evr changs in 7 yrs. let us figure it all out naow!

[4everwarriors]

Respect da process, man, ai na?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Nuthin evr changs in 7 yrs. let us figure it all out naow!

In today's business world, 7 years is an eternity.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Sorry couldn't let you get away with both sides of the argument..again.

Please answer one question. Then I will be done with you on this one.

As you have told us...we are NEVER going back to the MECCA.
If we are NEVER going back to the MECCA how can going back to the MECCA be a viable option?

That is where I'm stuck.
Please answer that one for me.

I've answered this 8 times at this point. Been the same answer every time.

I think we are never going back to the Mecca because the Bucks also need us to fill those dates and will negotiate with us until a deal is met that is acceptable to both sides. In addition, I know that because the Mecca (or building an on campus arena) is there, the Bucks can't set the price at a point that is so high that it would actually be better for Marquette to go with a different option. Because if they did and refused to negotiate down, Marquette would walk. Now again, because the Bucks also need us to fill those dates more than they need to squeeze every last dollar out of his (at least I think that's true) it is my belief that the Bucks and Marquette will always be able to find a deal where the price at the new stadium doesn't exceed whatever the magic number is that would make it better for Marquette to go with a different option.....which is called leverage. Which is what this conversation was about when you scoffed at the idea of the Mecca being used as leverage.

To put it in shorter terms, I think we are never going back because I don't think the Bucks are stupid. But if the Bucks end up being stupid Marquette would go back. I can't imagine a world where the Bucks are that stupid. (Cue the jokes about trading Dirk Nowitzki or whatever just went on with their GM search)

[We R Final Four]

Dodged it again.

If you say we are never ever playing at the MECCA ever again........how is playing at the MECCA an absolute viable option??

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Dodged it again.

If you say we are never ever playing at the MECCA ever again........how is playing at the MECCA an absolute viable option??

I dodged nothing. It's all right there in the post above.

The Mecca is a viable option. Not a good one, but a viable one. It is a basketball arena close to campus that can hold enough people. I don't think we ever end up back there because both Marquette and the Bucks want Marquette to play in the new arena. In the end, the Bucks will always offer a deal that makes playing at the new stadium the best option for Marquette. That means offering a price that isn't so high that Marquette is forced to take its second choice.

[We R Final Four]

If it's a viable option, we could play there.
If we are never, ever going to play there, it's not a viable option. Ainner?

In this thread, you have sided with both of these distinct opinions.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If it's a viable option, we could play there.
If we are never, ever going to play there, it's not a viable option. Ainner?

In this thread, you have sided with both of these distinct opinions.

They are not distinct opinions. Why would you think they are?

I think the Mecca is a viable option.

I don't think it is an option we will ever have to use.

These are two opinions that don't contradict each other in the slightest.

Is it your belief that I can only call an option viable if I think it is the option that is going to happen?

[jficke13]

This is a weird internet fight.

[We R Final Four]

They are not distinct opinions. Why would you think they are?

I think the Mecca is a viable option.

I don't think it is an option we will ever have to use.

These are two opinions that don't contradict each other in the slightest.

Is it your belief that I can only call an option viable if I think it is the option that is going to happen?

Never=non-viable.

"I don't think"is quite different from "never" and you certainly know that.
But, you can keep trying to redefine viability.

[Spotcheck Billy]

This is a weird internet fight.

I agree with this analysis.

[mu_hilltopper]

Question .. this discussion is all about the negotiations between the Bucks and MU.

When looking at the ownership section (admittedly, of Wikipedia) .. the owner is the Wisconsin Center District.

Why weren't the lease negotiations with WCD?   Or are the presuppositions here incorrect..

[GGGG]

Question .. this discussion is all about the negotiations between the Bucks and MU.

When looking at the ownership section (admittedly, of Wikipedia) .. the owner is the Wisconsin Center District.

Why weren't the lease negotiations with WCD?   Or are the presuppositions here incorrect..

The Bucks manage the facility.