Report: FBI Investigated Claims That Bob Knight Groped Women

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So DeVos was just on Fox News.  While she didn't say much, two points were clearly made.  1) One sexual assault was one to many but so was one inappropriately handled case for the accused and 2) new guidelines are supposedly currently in development.  Perhaps we should send in the scoop thread for administration consideration!  It does seem that ironing this issue out is a clear objective for the Department of Education.  We'll see what happens over the next several months.

We'll see. If she makes sensible guidelines than great. Don't know why you would pull the current guidance before the new guidance was ready. I also don't know why you would say "the rule of letter is over" if you intend to issue a new letter. If new guidance is put out, I anticipate there will be issues, just like their were issues with the 2011 letter. Hopefully this one's issues won't be too grievous.

[rocket surgeon]

So DeVos was just on Fox News.  While she didn't say much, two points were clearly made.  1) One sexual assault was one to many but so was one inappropriately handled case for the accused and 2) new guidelines are supposedly currently in development.  Perhaps we should send in the scoop thread for administration consideration!  It does seem that ironing this issue out is a clear objective for the Department of Education.  We'll see what happens over the next several months.

  I saw that as well.  Interesting interview with that one dude who got a police escort out of his dorm and off campus after his “ friend with benefits” decided she was raped.  From the sound of the interview, it didn’t seem like he got much “due process” but (say it ain’t so) I guess we need to hear the rest of the story, ‘ey?  Is this one of those .003% ‘ers?  Ahhkkk, if it weren’t for bad luck

[jsglow]

We'll see. If she makes sensible guidelines than great. Don't know why you would pull the current guidance before the new guidance was ready. I also don't know why you would say "the rule of letter is over" if you intend to issue a new letter. If new guidance is put out, I anticipate there will be issues, just like their were issues with the 2011 letter. Hopefully this one's issues won't be too grievous.

I do.  Because the current Department of Education leadership believes that the 2011 letter had 'weaponized' Title IX guidance inappropriately.  In their view, eliminating that was intended to discourage that course of conduct.  More to come seemingly for sure.

[B. McBannerson]

We'll see. If she makes sensible guidelines than great. Don't know why you would pull the current guidance before the new guidance was ready. I also don't know why you would say "the rule of letter is over" if you intend to issue a new letter. If new guidance is put out, I anticipate there will be issues, just like their were issues with the 2011 letter. Hopefully this one's issues won't be too grievous.

Because the new guidance got us to where we are today.  The old guidance was more even handed.  That is why.  Over rotated.

[jsglow]

Which was a good thing.  Safer campuses. 


What a bunch of bunk.

Congrats those who voted for Trump!!  Another legacy on your hands.  MORE RAPEY CAMPUSES!!!!

The state of scoop today.  So very sad. 

I truly wish something would be done or this once fun community will come to an end.  Everyone enjoy their evening.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Because the new guidance got us to where we are today.  The old guidance was more even handed.  That is why.  Over rotated.

Your assertion is that universities were handling sexual assault cases better prior to 2011?

[GGGG]

The state of scoop today.  So very sad. 

I truly wish something would be done or this once fun community will come to an end.  Everyone enjoy their evening.

LOL...the truth can be difficult for people to confront.  Sorry if that ruins your fun.

[Jay Bee]

@bye

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The state of scoop today.  So very sad. 

It is.

I have tried my best to educate on this topic. But no one here actually seems willing to listen. It doesn't matter how much information I provide, how many misconceptions I correct, everyone's opinions are already drawn on party lines. One side provides research from the the 1980s, cherry picked news stories that only tell half the story, and throw around things like "150 court cases!" when well over 50,000 cases have been heard by universities in that same time period. The other provides research from this decade and years of actual experience in the field but in the end we all just side with our respective political leanings.

To be clear, Glow you and others (Stillawarrior comes to mind) have differing opinions from me but have asked questions and genuinely seemed like you want to learn more. I appreciate that. I'm not sure how much more I can take arguing with people who just want to prove their right.

[GGGG]

It isn't political. The fact is that the Trump administration's new rules will likely make it less safe for victims on college campuses. Applying a hurdle similar to what applies in a criminal court, when alleged perps don't face nearly the same consequences, is a disaster. An absolute disaster for victims.

Hopefully ithe rules won't be that bad. But I'm not holding my breath. Sorry if that is hard for you to comprehend.

[Jay Bee]

It isn't political. The fact is that the Trump administration's new rules will likely make it less safe for victims on college campuses. Applying a hurdle similar to what applies in a criminal court, when alleged perps don't face nearly the same consequences, is a disaster. An absolute disaster for victims.

Hopefully ithe rules won't be that bad. But I'm not holding my breath. Sorry if that is hard for you to comprehend.

No, it's that you're disobeying the rules of this site.

Sad.

Shame on your for ruining this site.

[GGGG]

No, it's that you're disobeying the rules of this site.

Sad.

Shame on your for ruining this site.

I am so ashamed.

[Jay Bee]

I am so ashamed.

I know you love it. You get a free pass to spew your political views on this website because the mods won't enforce the rules on you. Congrats. You are directly responsible for detriments to this website. Take a bow.

[GGGG]

I know you love it. You get a free pass to spew your political views on this website because the mods won't enforce the rules on you. Congrats. You are directly responsible for detriments to this website. Take a bow.

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[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It isn't political. The fact is that the Trump administration's new rules will likely make it less safe for victims on college campuses. Applying a hurdle similar to what applies in a criminal court, when alleged perps don't face nearly the same consequences, is a disaster. An absolute disaster for victims.

Hopefully ithe rules won't be that bad. But I'm not holding my breath. Sorry if that is hard for you to comprehend.

If they move to a clear and convincing standard then I can live with that. Standard of evidence is important but it has less of an impact than people might think. I have found that panel members still rule not responsible if they find themselves between 50.1% and 65% sure anyway. Most cases I have seen where the person is found responsible are pretty clear cut. But I'm one person at one university so maybe I'm wrong.

The caveat I would give is that the standard of evidence needs to match whatever standard of evidence the university uses for all cases. It makes no sense for a student accused of sexual assault to enjoy a higher standard evidence than a student accused of any other conduct violation.

[Jay Bee]

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QG... fun info... not for here. Partly due to you. Impressive power, dude. Dinkhead political whiners on basketball websites that deter people from sharing quality information. Take another bow!

Honestly it's sad. We can have very different beliefs.. religious, political, or almost anything.. I don't care. But, political is outlawed here. Yet, you spew it. Why, when you know it's not allowed?

Guess you hate MUBB. For that, I hate you. Wisen up. Quick.

[Lennys Tap]

If they move to a clear and convincing standard then I can live with that. Standard of evidence is important but it has less of an impact than people might think. I have found that panel members still rule not responsible if they find themselves between 50.1% and 65% sure anyway. Most cases I have seen where the person is found responsible are pretty clear cut. But I'm one person at one university so maybe I'm wrong.

The caveat I would give is that the standard of evidence needs to match whatever standard of evidence the university uses for all cases. It makes no sense for a student accused of sexual assault to enjoy a higher standard evidence than a student accused of any other conduct violation.

I agree with this analysis.

[Pakuni]

QG... fun info... not for here. Partly due to you. Impressive power, dude. Dinkhead political whiners on basketball websites that deter people from sharing quality information. Take another bow!

Honestly it's sad. We can have very different beliefs.. religious, political, or almost anything.. I don't care. But, political is outlawed here. Yet, you spew it. Why, when you know it's not allowed?

Guess you hate MUBB. For that, I hate you. Wisen up. Quick.

For a guy who whines so much about the content here, you sure do spend a lot of time reading and posting about it.
My crystal ball say there's an 86 percent chance you're feigning outrage.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I agree with this analysis.

Thank you. I'm not an unreasonable guy. There are changes to the 2011 letter that I would advocate for and others that I might not agree with but could live with. I'm just not a fan of throwing the baby out with the bathwater so to speak.

[Jay Bee]

For a guy who whines so much about the content here, you sure do spend a lot of time reading and posting about it.
My crystal ball say there's an 86 percent chance you're feigning outrage.

99% you're felching a gerbil tonight

[GGGG]

QG... fun info... not for here. Partly due to you. Impressive power, dude. Dinkhead political whiners on basketball websites that deter people from sharing quality information. Take another bow!

Honestly it's sad. We can have very different beliefs.. religious, political, or almost anything.. I don't care. But, political is outlawed here. Yet, you spew it. Why, when you know it's not allowed?

Guess you hate MUBB. For that, I hate you. Wisen up. Quick.

Lol. Good one JB.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Dammit Jay Bee. I hadn't heard felching before so I googled it. Now I have to get a new computer.

[Pakuni]

99% you're felching a gerbil tonight

[Jay Bee]

We can meet up and I'll say it to your face if that's what you're asking for. That's no problem.