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Jockey

Quote from: barfolomew on May 23, 2017, 01:28:19 PM
Hanni needs to work on three things this summer:

1) His
2) Right
3) Hand



Here are 3 more things.

1. His
2. mid-range
3. game

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 22, 2017, 08:51:53 PM
Massage the stats anyway you want, but down the stretch (as we battled to get off the bubble) Haanif played himself into being the last scholarship player off of our bench. Markus, Rowsey, JJJ, Katin and Duane were all better options at the position(s) he plays - by a wide margin. Three of the guys he was behind are gone so he gets another chance and we're all rooting for him. But if he puts up his 3rd consecutive sub 100 Ortg in conference play he'll either be on the sidelines or the team will be in trouble.
Must agree with Lenny here.  Haanif was my favorite player his Freshman year, but there is no denying he fell off a cliff as this year progressed.  The stats show that he certainly improved in a number of areas, but there was a very good reason he found his minutes dwindling towards zero by the end of the season. 

The stats show that he did some things well, but based on his own tweets, he fully acknowledged that his year was not acceptable.  I am encouraged that he embraced the need to improve rather than pout or make excuses.  Now we'll just have to see if he can actually improve his skills enough to earn back some minutes.  Certainly the drive is there, let's hope the ability is as well.

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MU82

See, I don't need advanced stats (or any stats, really) to tell me that Haani was quite bad in conference play. Wojo used his eyes, too. It took him a little while to glue Haani to the bench, but he realized he had to for the good of the team.

I enjoyed watching Haani play as a freshman. He seems like a nice young man, and I hope he finds his mojo - which will be accomplished by learning how to do a few things that have been well-chronicled here. If he doesn't improve significantly, regardless what any positive advanced stats from the 2016-17 season might suggest, he will be glued to the bench again. He simply was not good enough; anybody could see it.
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brewcity77

Quote from: MU82 on May 24, 2017, 10:08:11 AM
See, I don't need advanced stats (or any stats, really) to tell me that Haani was quite bad in conference play.

You don't need them, but they support him being bad in conference play. ORtg down, eFG%, 2PFG%, & 3PFG% all down. Assist rate down, turnover percentage up, whether you used your eyes or advanced stats, his level of play declined.

MU82

Quote from: brewcity77 on May 24, 2017, 01:08:41 PM
You don't need them, but they support him being bad in conference play. ORtg down, eFG%, 2PFG%, & 3PFG% all down. Assist rate down, turnover percentage up, whether you used your eyes or advanced stats, his level of play declined.

Again, anybody with eyes and even a little basketball knowledge did not need statistical confirmation. We saw him struggle mightily.
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Quote from: MU82 on May 25, 2017, 12:04:26 AM
Again, anybody with eyes and even a little basketball knowledge did not need statistical confirmation. We saw him struggle mightily.

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bilsu

I really thought that Haanif was going to transfer. He struggled, lost his starting job and I did not think he would stay around, if he was going to see a reduced role this coming season. He has not transferred and that can only mean one of two things. He either loves MU and Wojo enough to stay even with a diminished role or he expects to win his starting job back. I am assuming he expects to win his starting job back, which means he will take a step up in his game.


muwarrior69

Quote from: TSmith34 on May 24, 2017, 10:03:46 AM
Must agree with Lenny here.  Haanif was my favorite player his Freshman year, but there is no denying he fell off a cliff as this year progressed.  The stats show that he certainly improved in a number of areas, but there was a very good reason he found his minutes dwindling towards zero by the end of the season. 

The stats show that he did some things well, but based on his own tweets, he fully acknowledged that his year was not acceptable.  I am encouraged that he embraced the need to improve rather than pout or make excuses.  Now we'll just have to see if he can actually improve his skills enough to earn back some minutes.  Certainly the drive is there, let's hope the ability is as well.

I'm cheering the young man on. I am looking forward to both Haani and Sacar stepping up on the court. Good to see they are doing well in the class room too.

MU82

Quote from: bilsu on May 25, 2017, 03:56:42 AM
I really thought that Haanif was going to transfer. He struggled, lost his starting job and I did not think he would stay around, if he was going to see a reduced role this coming season. He has not transferred and that can only mean one of two things. He either loves MU and Wojo enough to stay even with a diminished role or he expects to win his starting job back. I am assuming he expects to win his starting job back, which means he will take a step up in his game.

It's one thing for him to think he will step up his game and another thing to do it. I hope he works on what he needs to, things that have been well-chronicled: mid-range game, right-handed finishes, right-hand ballhandling, etc. If he gets even good at those things (not even excellent), he can still be a very productive player who will not be easy to defend. Plus, his confidence will return; it was obvious he lost it last winter.
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Jockey

Geez, what should I believe. The advanced stats or my eyes?

To say that Haanif was better last year illustrates why many coaches still ignore advanced stats.

How going from a go-to guy to the end of the bench means improvement is beyond silliness.

Jay Bee

Quote from: Jockey on May 25, 2017, 03:16:30 PM
Geez, what should I believe. The advanced stats or my eyes?

To say that Haanif was better last year illustrates why many coaches still ignore advanced stats.

How going from a go-to guy to the end of the bench means improvement is beyond silliness.

Nope. You should believe your eyes AND understand how to analyze the stats.
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brewcity77

Quote from: Jay Bee on May 25, 2017, 03:21:00 PM
Nope. You should believe your eyes AND understand how to analyze the stats.

+1

Both have value.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Jockey on May 25, 2017, 03:16:30 PM
How going from a go-to guy to the end of the bench means improvement is beyond silliness.

Because he was a go to guy on a terrible team. He, for the season, was a role player on a very good team. Haanif didn't decline so much as the talent around him got better and passed him.

That being said, I'm looking at his stats for the whole season. It is true that both years he declined in conference play.
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GB Warrior

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 25, 2017, 03:42:52 PM
Because he was a go to guy on a terrible team. He, for the season, was a role player on a very good team. Haanif didn't decline so much as the talent around him got better and passed him.

That being said, I'm looking at his stats for the whole season. It is true that both years he declined in conference play.

Which, given how terrible our OOC schedule was in '15, should be no surprise. '16 was better, but of course it's harder in conference.

We should all hope for improvement, but I think the lack of jump between year 1 and year 2 means we should temper expectations for this jump. It's unlikely he's developed a jump shot or to use his right hand going to the rim. We should expect reduction in mental lapses, turnovers and improved defense. Win in my book.

Jockey

Quote from: Jay Bee on May 25, 2017, 03:21:00 PM
Nope. You should believe your eyes AND understand how to analyze the stats.

I completely agree with you, JB. (I know - hard to believe and all).

If you look back at my criticisms of advanced stats - and I have been a fan of them since the early '80s - it is when people contend that they are the end-all and be-all of sports knowledge. 

In reality, at the pro level, any GM that does not use them to help build his team is negligent.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 25, 2017, 03:42:52 PM
Because he was a go to guy on a terrible team.

I happen to agree that we were terrible in 2015-16, but this is the first time I've seen one of our wojophiles admit as much. When did you have your epiphany?


TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 25, 2017, 09:02:18 PM
I happen to agree that we were terrible in 2015-16, but this is the first time I've seen one of our wojophiles admit as much. When did you have your epiphany?

? Never said that it was a good team. But it was a helluva lot better than the year before considering the age of the team and a great step in the right direction for the Wojo program.
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Lennys Tap

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 25, 2017, 09:43:22 PM
? Never said that it was a good team. But it was a helluva lot better than the year before considering the age of the team and a great step in the right direction for the Wojo program.

Just pulling your chain a little. But while you may have never called that team "good" I don't think you ever called them "terrible", either. And the distance between good and terrible is HUGE!

MU82

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 25, 2017, 03:42:52 PM
Because he was a go to guy on a terrible team. He, for the season, was a role player on a very good team. Haanif didn't decline so much as the talent around him got better and passed him.


Hmmm. We usually agree, TAMU ... but Haani really, really sucked the last three months last season. Sorry. There's no kind way to say it.
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muwarrior69

How do Wojo's stats compare to Haani's Frosh and Soph years? I ask in that Wojo said he wasn't the most gifted college player and may see a lot of himself in Haani. The question is will Haani respond in the same way, but what do I know.

bilsu

I posted before the season that Haanif would miss Ellenson, because Ellenson was the primary focus of the defense. The defense last year could focus more on Haanif's weaknesses. Now, it is up to Haanif to correct those weaknesses.

It will be interesting to see how the loss of JJJ and Reinhardt effect the returning players. Last year the defense knew that both JJJ and Reinhardt were more likely to shoot than any other MU player on the court. Sam and Markus will have more opportunity to shoot with them being gone, but maybe it makes Sam and Markus easier to defend. Wilson also left, so our ability to take the ball to the basket may of greatly diminished, which may allow the defense to focus more on the outside shooters.
JJJ was also a pretty good passer, when he got cut off on his drives.

Marcus92

Quote from: bilsu on May 26, 2017, 10:58:52 AM
I posted before the season that Haanif would miss Ellenson, because Ellenson was the primary focus of the defense. The defense last year could focus more on Haanif's weaknesses. Now, it is up to Haanif to correct those weaknesses.

It will be interesting to see how the loss of JJJ and Reinhardt effect the returning players. Last year the defense knew that both JJJ and Reinhardt were more likely to shoot than any other MU player on the court. Sam and Markus will have more opportunity to shoot with them being gone, but maybe it makes Sam and Markus easier to defend. Wilson also left, so our ability to take the ball to the basket may of greatly diminished, which may allow the defense to focus more on the outside shooters.
JJJ was also a pretty good passer, when he got cut off on his drives.

Unlike last year, I'm far less concerned about the point guard position, perimeter shooting and rebounding. Point guard, in particular, is huge. And from a pure talent standpoint, I think our newcomers represent an upgrade in quickness and athleticism.

Wojo has shown he can put together a winning team that runs an exciting, high-scoring offense. Our success this coming season will depend on the answers to a number of questions:

1) Has much will Matt's game develop in the offseason?
2) Can Harry Froling provide a strong inside presence alongside Matt?
3) How much will Theo John and Ike Eke contribute inside?
4) Can Jonathan Cain help fill the void at the wing left by the departures of JaJuan and Katin?
5) Will Haanif improve to become a more efficient scorer and playmaker?
6) Can Greg Elliott take over Duane's role in the offense?
7) Will Markus take the reins as the team leader?
8) What kind of leadership will Andrew provide as the team's only senior?
9) How quickly will the freshmen adjust to playing against Big East level competition?
10) Will this team improve defensively — on ball, inside and in help rotations?

Number 10 might just be the most important one of all.
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Quote from: Marcus92 on May 26, 2017, 12:25:25 PM
4) Can Jonathan Cain help fill the void at the wing left by the departures of JaJuan and Katin?

Probably won't provide anything. Jamal Cain, though, should provide at least something.

Loose Cannon

Quote from: Lazar's Headband on May 26, 2017, 12:44:44 PM
Probably won't provide anything. Jamal Cain, though, should provide at least something.

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