Henry

[Afroman]

MU should not recruit a player like Henry Ellenson because on the rare occurrence they get him it screws them in the years to come.

[skianth16]

I'm not sure how having a lottery pick on the team could ever be considered a bad thing. Our performance this year doesn't have anything to do with losing Henry, in my opinion.

[#UnleashSean]

Not sure how a one and done that everyone knew about was going to hurt them the next year. We didnt have a full scholarship fillout.

[Big Papi]

It hurts in that the entire team revolved around Henry. 
It hurts in that he left after 1 year.
It hurts in that it sure seemed like Wojo thought he was going to have him for 2 years.
It hurts that Wojo could have recruited a 4 year player at the power forward position that would have been huge this year.
It hurts that with Henry we didn't even get the bonus of making the NCAA tourney last year.

Now there are some benefits but to recruiting.  Maybe.  But it certainly didn't help us last year or this year.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The argument is that Henry's presence scared away potential multi-year players at his position. Henry directly contributed to the departures of Taylor/Levin as well as the failed recruitments of Washington/Agau/Nichols and possibly others. Impossible to know, but I would take 1 year of Taylor/Levin and 1 year of Levin/Washington over 1 year of Henry and day and times on Sunday.

However, I would rather have a coach who lands the 5 star and then tries to land other players and fail, then the coach that doesn't go after the 5 star because he doesn't think he can do it.

[Afroman]

I would take a four-year year guy like Hayes, Happ and Kaminsky any day over a one-and-done. Let him go to Kentucky or Duke.

[rocky_warrior]

I would take a four-year year guy like Hayes, Happ and Kaminsky any day over a one-and-done. Let him go to Kentucky or Duke.

Then you should switch to being a fan of UW.  Or you already are....

[Afroman]

 I'm not. I went to MU and they are my No. 1, but being a lifetime Wisconsin resident, I also watch UW games and read about them. I am somewhat familiar with their program.

[skianth16]

If a four year guy, assumingly as a freshman, is scared off by not starting and having to compete against a future pro every day in practice, I'm not sure I'd want that guy anyway.

[#UnleashSean]

It hurts in that the entire team revolved around Henry. 
It hurts in that he left after 1 year.
It hurts in that it sure seemed like Wojo thought he was going to have him for 2 years.
It hurts that Wojo could have recruited a 4 year player at the power forward position that would have been huge this year.
It hurts that with Henry we didn't even get the bonus of making the NCAA tourney last year.

Now there are some benefits but to recruiting.  Maybe.  But it certainly didn't help us last year or this year.

If the team didnt revolve around henry we would have won 5 games.
Everyone knew that going in
Anyone who thought he was staying for more then 1 year was delusional.
Had open scholarships, did not land.
Again, without Henry we had 5 wins.

[brewcity77]

If the team didnt revolve around henry we would have won 5 games.
Everyone knew that going in
Anyone who thought he was staying for more then 1 year was delusional.
Had open scholarships, did not land.
Again, without Henry we had 5 wins.

5 wins? That's ridiculous. Absolutely, stone cold, complete cluelessness.

[Big Papi]

If the team didnt revolve around henry we would have won 5 games.
Everyone knew that going in
Anyone who thought he was staying for more then 1 year was delusional.
Had open scholarships, did not land.
Again, without Henry we had 5 wins.

Well is it a rebuild or isn't it?  1 win, 5 win or 15 wins.  I don't know if it matters as we didn't make any post season tournament last year and your star one and done player from last year left.  What was the benefit?  To win 15 games so we can be happy that Wojo is running our program to the longest post season drought in school history?

He was better off getting a 4 year power forward that would have made a difference this year if it was all about rebuilding. 

Ultimately, Wojo gambled that Henry would get us to the tourney last year.  That it failed miserably set back the rebuilding process.  That could ultimately cost his job.

[#UnleashSean]

Well is it a rebuild or isn't it?  1 win, 5 win or 15 wins.  I don't know if it matters as we didn't make any post season tournament last year and your star one and done player from last year left.  What was the benefit?  To win 15 games so we can be happy that Wojo is running our program to the longest post season drought in school history?

He was better off getting a 4 year power forward that would have made a difference this year if it was all about rebuilding. 

Ultimately, Wojo gambled that Henry would get us to the tourney last year.  That it failed miserably set back the rebuilding process.  That could ultimately cost his job.

He had an empty  scholarship. Henry did not effect any 4 year power forward from coming in.

[Big Papi]

He had an empty  scholarship. Henry did not effect any 4 year power forward from coming in.

Henry had free reign last year to do whatever he wanted.  Definitely didn't help the rebuild and this year.

[#UnleashSean]

5 wins? That's ridiculous. Absolutely, stone cold, complete cluelessness.

Are you so sure? Lets take a look. Also remember the fact that Fischer would not have nearly as many points last year when everyone was focused on Henry.
              (with)                                                                                                                    (without)
Belmont - Loss. - well thats easy, they lost with henry. They got slaughtered without him - Loss
IUPUI - win (ot) - Got taken to ot when Henry dropped 18 so lets chalk that up as a loss without Henry - Loss
Iowa - Loss - Well that was a slaughter so - Loss
LSU - Win - You're delusional if you think Marquette had a chance against Ben Simmons without Henry - Loss
Arizona St- Win (ot) - Henry and fischer both scored 18. But fischer fouled out. So good luck without Henry in this one - Loss
Jackson State - Win - Jackson state... - Win
Grambling - Win - "" "" - Win
Maine - Win - "" "" - Win
San Jose - Win - "" "" - Win
Wisconsin - Win - Not a chance without Henry - Loss
Chicago st - Win - blaaah - Win
Presbyt. - Win - Blah - Win
Seton hall - Loss - Lost by 20 at home, Henry double double - Massive loss
Georgetown - Loss - Duane put up 17 followed by Henry at 13 - Loss
Providence - Win - Henry played a lot of hero ball in this game, putting up a double double along with a block on Kris Dunn to seal the game - Loss
St Johns - Win - Henry put up 15 with another double double, Fischer had 18 and fouled out again. Needless to say, he would have fouled out and not had 18 without henry - Loss
Villanova - Loss - Ha - Loss
Xavier - Loss - Lost by 8.  Henry put up 20, Fischer once again fouled out (holy crap dude) - Loss
Depaul - Loss - Depaul loss at home. Fischer with a dumb foul to lose.. I dont even want to look at the box score (I did, Fischer played 20 with 4 fouls...) - Loss
St johns - Win - Henry put up 16 points 18 boards, fischer.... at least didn't foul out? This ones tough since Wilson and Cheatham had great games. - I'll award a win
Stetson? - Win JJJ put up 22 with Henry getting another double double, I remember this game looking ugly. but I think they pull out without Henry - Win
Butler - Win - Henry scored 32 had 6 blocks and 10 boards. Fischer surprisingly had 5 blocks and only 1 foul but failed to score a point. - Loss
Seton Hall - Loss - Fischer carried the load in this game as henry had 10 points and 4 fouls (but another double double, those "easy rebounds") - Loss
Xavier - Loss - HAHAHA - Loss
Providence - Win (2ot) - Henry played 48 minutes Scored 26 and grabbed 16 boards. Fischer fouled out after 25. Bentil scored 42. - Loss
Creighton - Loss - Henry 16 points, Fischer 12 points, Close game. - Loss
Depaul - Win - Cheatham 20points, Fischer 16, Henry 14. I think the pull the win without him - Win
Creighton - Win - Henry 22 points 10 rebounds Fischer 24 minutes 3 fouls 8 points 2 rebounds. - Loss
Villanova - Loss - Wally had himself a game, but without Henry there is no Wally (Fischer 4 fouls 20 minutes) - Massive Loss
Georgetown - Win - Fischer 23 points, only 2 fouls. Henry 10 points 11 rebounds 5 assists. 1 pt game. Gunna have to give them the L - Loss
Butler - 20 point Loss - Henry 29 points. Fischer 4 fouls, 19 minutes - Laughable Loss
BET St Johns - Win  - Of course with my predictions there playing Nova right now. but... Henry 27 points 14 rebounds Fischer 10 points, 5 fouls - Loss
BET Xavier - Loss - Wouldn't have played. But - Loss

After calculating all this Marquette gets 9 wins. 7 of which I don't believe cracked the top 150 RPI. 2-14 big east play. So I guess your technically correct. The best kind of correct.

Disclaimer: I calculated alot of Fischers efforts to not be as big without Henry. With the horrid 3 pt shooting of last year, Fischer would have been more smothered inside than Davante was his Senior year if Henry never played.

[Tugg Speedman]

I'm not sure how having a lottery pick on the team could ever be considered a bad thing. Our performance this year doesn't have anything to do with losing Henry, in my opinion.

Henry was not a lottery pick.  He missed the lottery by 4 spots.

The last lottery pick from MU was Wade.

Henry was a first round pick, the first once since Butler (and Lazar the year before).

Maybe if Henry played like a lottery pick we would have done better last year. 

And maybe if Henry was a lottery pick talent, he would not be in the D-League now.

[#UnleashSean]

And maybe if Henry was a lottery pick talent, he would not be in the D-League now.

The NBA doesn't work like it did 10 years ago. Lots of rookies now go to the D-League. It's much more like an MLB minor league system then it used to be.

[Tugg Speedman]

I would take a four-year year guy like Hayes, Happ and Kaminsky any day over a one-and-done. Let him go to Kentucky or Duke.

Happ and Kaminsky ... two unknown, unhealed three star guys that blew up was beyond the most optimistic projections.

Kaminsky - Been noted here before he is the first ever National Player of Year (NPOY) that did not even start his first two years.  In other words, his Freshman/Soph stats were the worst ever for someone that became NPOY.  A true "Black Swan."

Happ, a skinny three star 6'7" forward from nowhere IL that was red-shirted and two years later was a 6' 10" power forward and Freshman Big 10 Player of the Year.  Maybe 20 Freshman in the B1G last year, if not more, were higher rated than Happ coming out of HS and he was the Freshman Player of the Year.

Restate the above .. We have a Kaminsky and Happ now ... Sacar and Heldt.  Both of them was as highly rated as those two coming out of HS.  Happ and Kaminsjy are the equivalent of winning back to back games on 80 foot shots.  Because it happened twice in a row you now think it should happen all the time.

Has any school in the history of college basketball taken two "not top 100 HS recruits" and watch one become a NPOY and the other follow on the same track?  These two might be the only two to ever do this and they both went to the same school back to back, and play the same position.

[Afroman]

They were the first three non-MU four-year players off the top of my head. Feel free to plug in any successful four-year guy instead.

[Tugg Speedman]

They were the first three non-MU four-year players off the top of my head. Feel free to plug in any successful four-year guy instead.

(note some are three year players)

Jimmy Butler, Devante Gardner, Chris Outle, DJO, Vander Blue, Jamil Wilson

[Afroman]

That works, too.

[Da 'Lanche]

Henry had free reign last year to do whatever he wanted.  Definitely didn't help the rebuild and this year.

Respect your opinion but disagree.   It is not like someone brought the ball up past half court and gave it to Henry and he could just run amok of the offense.    Henry was our best option last year and our best player....it is no wonder the offense ran through and around him.    Did he take 3 pointers when he wasn't hot from the outside...yes...but, they were typically open 3s and not forced and you would expect him to have a level of confidence in his shots.

Can you imagine the uproar if we turned down a 5 star, top 15 recruit who may be a 1 and done so other guys can develop?    Good Lord.

[Tugg Speedman]

The NBA doesn't work like it did 10 years ago. Lots of rookies now go to the D-League. It's much more like an MLB minor league system then it used to be.

Henry has logged 56 minutes in the NBA this year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2016.html

Only three first rounders have logged fewer minutes ...

#10 Georgios Papagiannis has played 10 minutes. 
#28 Skal Labissiere has played 43 minutes
#30 Damian Jones has played 26 minutes.

Of the top 25 drafted players that played in a US college, Henry has the fewest minutes.

(note six other first round players have not even suited up for their teams.  They are all foreign and still playing overseas and that was the plan when drafted.  So all of them get "incomplete" grades.)

Further 12 guys in the second round have played more minutes than Henry this year.

No Henry is not a bust.  But he is on the road to being a bust.  Not too late to get off this road.  Anytime he wants to I'm sure the Piston fans will be very happy.

[brewcity77]

Are you so sure?

Yes. Your own numbers prove it. The reason I'm so decisively positive is because I remember last year's schedule. 5 wins is stupid to even fathom.

Second, your view is myopic. No Henry also means Levin and Taylor still here. Quite a few of those close games may have been just as winnable without Henry. And let's also remember, he had some bad black hole games that we lost. Maybe not a ton, but we would've still won 12-15 without him. No technicality about it.

[wadesworld]

So wait, there are some people on this board who would turn down guys like Jayson Taytom, Josh Jackson, Malik Monk, or Miles Bridges so that we could have a guy like JuJuan Johnson or Sacar Anim or Haanif Cheatham on the roster for longer?

Or maybe we should pass on adding Bam Adebayo or Lauri Markkanen or TJ Leaf so we can have guys like Matt Heldt on the roster.

Lol.

[🏀]

I don't know what's more ridiculous, the content of this post or the fact that you waited until this loss to post it.

[Eldon]

MU should not recruit a player like Henry Ellenson because on the rare occurrence they get him it screws them in the years to come.

This is so much easier to say with hindsight.  There are certainly costs to chasing down a Burger Boy, but before the fact, most people would agree that the expected benefits outweigh the expected costs.

[mu_hilltopper]

Isn't there some "win replacement" statistic that could be applied to Henry?

That being said .. with 20/20 hindsight, yeah, Henry (and family) did not move the MU program forward, and do have a part in the disappointing spot mubb is in now.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Isn't there some "win replacement" statistic that could be applied to Henry?

That being said .. with 20/20 hindsight, yeah, Henry (and family) did not move the MU program forward, and do have a part in the disappointing spot mubb is in now.

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[dw3dw3dw3]

Except they did.  From October 2014 to  June 2016,  I would argue, over 80% of non-game stories had something to do Henry.  What does that get filled with? Nothing is the correct answer. He kept us relevant during a trying time. We signed a fairly highly regarded big man on the transfer market who directly attributed his decision to how Henry was developed. Does Hauser commit without the momentum of Ellenson, does Howard?

[Stretchdeltsig]

This is a waste of time discussion.  The kid and his family screwed us.  They were only after the quick money.  Too bad.  Too sad.  Let's move on.

[#UnleashSean]

This is a waste of time discussion.  The kid and his family screwed us.  They were only after the quick money.  Too bad.  Too sad.  Let's move on.

How dare someone go after the money instead of playing for free and risking injury. The audacity.

[cheebs09]

I think the "Henry fallout" falls on Wojo. I think it was pretty clear that he was going pro. There were stories he was saying that while being recruited.

I don't blame Henry or the family one bit. If Henry was actively telling recruits he was staying, that's one thing. I just think Wojo is a good enough recruiter and saw this type of scenario at Duke enough, that recruiting a 4 to replace Henry shouldn't have been too much of an issue.

I just feel there should have been a better backup plan and Wojo needed to give a better sell.

[4everwarriors]

Really, folks here are pissed wee got a one and done? Maybe playas wit no upside potential is watt Steve needs ta focus on. Oh, but it look like he already has, ai na?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So what I'm hearing is....Henry was the hero we deserved but not the one we needed

[Lighthouse 84]

I don't know, Duke and Kentucky get plenty of one and dones and they do very well each year.  Granted, they get multiple one and dones but you gotta start somewhere, hey?

[MerrittsMustache]

Henry's presence didn't accomplish what he was brought to MU to do - lead the team to the tournament and get MU back into the top half of the BE. His departure after one season also left a void at the 4. It's easy to say that Wojo should have had a back-up plan but this isn't the NBA where you just go find a solid, veteran and plug him in. There are not a whole lot of difference-makers who are going to sign with a team presuming that they won't see more than spot minutes for 2 seasons. This is all without mentioning the issue of Wally taking up a scholarship for 2 years without contributing much of anything, other than being a primary reason Henry came to MU.

At the end of the day, the Ellenson Experiment didn't work out very well for Wojo and Marquette. If HE had stayed, MU would likely have 4-5 more win this seasons...but he didn't and MU is struggling to stay on the bubble. I have no doubt that if a similar situation presented itself in the future, Wojo would jump at the opportunity again, as well he should. When you can bring in a McD AA who's a good kid with no personal baggage, it's 100% worth any risk that he could end up a one-and-done and could briefly set back the program. Wojo made the right play, it just didn't work out.

[frozena pizza]

I'll take a McDonald's All-American and one and done talent absolutely anytime I can get one.  Having said that, anytime you bring in a player of that caliber and lose him after one season it can be a significant disruption.  You miss out on other recruits and fail to develop other players because all the focus is on that one individual, then when he leaves there is a huge void.  Look where LSU is now without Simmons.  The programs that get a constant influx of these types (Kentucky and Duke) can overcome it but for programs like Marquette and LSU it's a tough thing to manage.  I think Wojo has managed it pretty well (and would have won a lot more than 5 games last year without HE).

[mu_hilltopper]

I'll take a McDonald's All-American and one and done talent absolutely anytime I can get one. 

If you're good with the short term, yes.

[MerrittsMustache]

If you're good with the short term, yes.

Would you rather have a one-and-done McD AA or a one-year grad transfer?

[Litehouse]

Henry helped us beat UW in Madison.  I'm cool with that.

[frozena pizza]

If you're good with the short term, yes.

So do we just set a policy that if there's a Wisconsin kid ranked in the top 30 nationally and he calls up Wojo we just tell him we're not interested?  Honestly if Wojo said that it would probably push me into the camp that wants him fired.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

If you're good with the short term, yes.

What is the long term these days? 

With the ever increasing transfer rate & grad transfers coming in every year it would seem to me that the short term and the long term are not very far apart.

[brewcity77]

Would you rather have a one-and-done McD AA or a one-year grad transfer?

That's a great question. Truly. I'll make a list and think it over a bit...here's some of what I came up with:

McDonald's Pros: Likely lottery potential, athleticism and ability to take over games single-handedly, boosts recruiting rankings, convinces recruits they can reach the NBA from your school, potential to stay more than one year.

McDonald's Cons: Uncertain declaration time could scare off recruits and leave a sudden roster hole, freshman mistakes, will likely expect to dominate the ball, see your program as their chance at an audition rather than a destination.

Grad Transfer Pros: Experience to lead, more likely well-versed in defense and the "little things" to help win, hungry for success in their last chance, finite availability makes roster planning easy.

Grad Transfer Cons: Likely fringe NBA at best (or they'd have gone pro by now), could disrupt current roster by stepping into starter minutes, no potential for extra years of service.

[Newsdreams]

You take the best and never stop recruiting, period end of story.

[Windyplayer]

Henry helped us beat UW in Madison.  I'm cool with that.

Ha, true, but we could not have caught UW at a better time. What a bizarre window of about a month and a half followed by picking up right where they left off...damn it.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Ha, true, but we could not have caught UW at a better time. What a bizarre window of about a month and a half followed by picking up right where they left off...damn it.

The conspiracy theorist in me is still not convinced that Bo didn't intentionally tank to give Gard the chance to "turn them around" and seal the job.

[wadesworld]

The conspiracy theorist in me is still not convinced that Bo didn't intentionally tank to give Gard the chance to "turn them around" and seal the job.

It's quite simple.  They got into B1G play.  The B1G is no better than the AAC.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It's quite simple.  They got into B1G play.  The B1G is no better than the AAC.

I don't necessarily disagree, but it is tougher than Western Illinois and UWM.

[RJax55]

The conspiracy theorist in me is still not convinced that Bo didn't intentionally tank to give Gard the chance to "turn them around" and seal the job.

Nah. Bo literally didn't give a crap. Didn't want to be in Madison.

The players responded in-kind. Its a good theory though. And, Gard certainly had to appreciate Bo's great set-up.

[Newsdreams]

Henry article by Matt
https://twitter.com/matt_velazquez/status/831633813298147331

[MU82]

Henry article by Matt
https://twitter.com/matt_velazquez/status/831633813298147331

"I'm always texting my guys, seeing what they're up to," Ellenson said. "It's nice to see how they're doing. I know they've hit a little tough stretch here, but hopefully they can get back to their winning ways and try to win out the rest of the Big East and get to the tournament, which I know they want bad."

Sounds like a guy who hates Marquette and has long-term, deep-seated resentment.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I would take a four-year year guy like Hayes, Happ and Kaminsky any day over a one-and-done. Let him go to Kentucky or Duke.

You mean 5* year

[Newsdreams]

"I'm always texting my guys, seeing what they're up to," Ellenson said. "It's nice to see how they're doing. I know they've hit a little tough stretch here, but hopefully they can get back to their winning ways and try to win out the rest of the Big East and get to the tournament, which I know they want bad."

Sounds like a guy who hates Marquette and has long-term, deep-seated resentment.

Yes and this "....feels great to be back at BMO," Ellenson said. "It was fun to get back today. I went to Marquette's campus to see my teammates and see some of my friends, so it's good to be back in Milwaukee."

[Newsdreams]

This is just too funny
https://twitter.com/matt_velazquez/status/831962373649006593

[nycwarrior]

Wojo talked the most prized recruit into taking a chance on a program that was left pretty much empty post-Buzzard.

Henry came in and put up the greatest freshman season in the history of the program. Along the way he almost single-handedly gave the media a positive story about the momentum Wojo was building in Milwaukee. A bright spot. A reason to believe.

In his shadow, Haanif had an ALL BIG EAST freshman year that had many on this board and elsewhere believing he was on his way to eclipsing McSteal as our all time leading scorer.

Also with his help, Fischer looked to be developing with an Honorable Mention All Big East effort and, during Big East play, it looked like JJJ was emerging.

And then you get Howard and Hauser who sign on the heels of all that good news. And the long-armed three-headed monster headed to Milwaukee next season.

Sure things have stalled in some of those places. But is it HE's fault that JJJ failed to work on driving to his left and Haanif failed to work on going right? Or that Big East coaching staffs have figured out how to close out on our slick-shooting freshman?

That's a hell of a lot of momentum. It's a lot of reasons for people to believe in the program. Do you really think that happens without Henry?

If we wanna blame Wojo for something, make it our lack of length on the wings, the absence of a big-bodied rebounder/defender. But lets not be mad at him for landing such a good player.

[brewcity77]

I would take a four-year year guy like Hayes, Happ and Kaminsky any day over a one-and-done. Let him go to Kentucky or Duke.

This is just silly to say. For every four-year guy like Hayes, Happ, and Kaminsky, you have a dozen Ian Markolf, Vitto Brown, Evan Anderson, Ryan Evans, Jason Chappell, type of players.

When you recruit a unheralded three or fringe four star player, you might end up getting lucky, but more often than not they'll be bit players that maybe develop into serviceable players as seniors. When you recruit a five-star one-and-done, you probably get an elite player 95% of the time. Maybe only one year, but I'm willing to wager the average one-and-done produces more in that one year than the average three-star does at the same level of program.

[HoopsterBC]

This is just silly to say. For every four-year guy like Hayes, Happ, and Kaminsky, you have a dozen Ian Markolf, Vitto Brown, Evan Anderson, Ryan Evans, Jason Chappell, type of players.

When you recruit a unheralded three or fringe four star player, you might end up getting lucky, but more often than not they'll be bit players that maybe develop into serviceable players as seniors. When you recruit a five-star one-and-done, you probably get an elite player 95% of the time. Maybe only one year, but I'm willing to wager the average one-and-done produces more in that one year than the average three-star does at the same level of program.

The Badgers have been to the dance the last 17 or 18 years straight years, sure they are going to recruit a dog or two, but mainly recruit solid 3 and 4 star recruits, add coaching, I see no luck, I see hard work that kids stay 4 or 5 years there.  Starting next year, it will be interesting as there bench really is not very good, average
at best,  but they signed some good 3 and 4 star recruits again.  See if they can keep there streak going.  Rather do it there way.

[MU82]

The Badgers have been to the dance the last 17 or 18 years straight years, sure they are going to recruit a dog or two, but mainly recruit solid 3 and 4 star recruits, add coaching, I see no luck, I see hard work that kids stay 4 or 5 years there.  Starting next year, it will be interesting as there bench really is not very good, average
at best,  but they signed some good 3 and 4 star recruits again.  See if they can keep there streak going.  Rather do it there way.

The Badgers wanted Henry even though they were pretty sure he'd be a 1-and-done. They wanted Vander, too. And Maymon. They go after 5-stars and high-4s like everybody else if they think they have a shot.

But yes, they have done a nice job developing guys who aren't ranked that high. There is no disputing that.

[Newsdreams]

The Badgers wanted Henry even though they were pretty sure he'd be a 1-and-done. They wanted Vander, too. And Maymon. They go after 5-stars and high-4s like everybody else if they think they have a shot.

But yes, they have done a nice job developing guys who aren't ranked that high. There is no disputing that.

They've made excellent use of the redshirt. Can we hit gold with Sacar or someone on the next class?

[GGGG]

Ha, true, but we could not have caught UW at a better time. What a bizarre window of about a month and a half followed by picking up right where they left off...damn it.

We only beat the easy Badger teams.