Tourney after SJU loss?

[Marquette4life]

Sorry, I couldn't find the past thread for this, but do you guys think after the loss that marquette still should make the tourney?

rockys edit: changed the title.

[rocky_warrior]

As of today?  Yes.  But we still need 5 more wins to feel comfortable by the end of the season.

[MUfan12]

I had this one as a loss, as well as @GU and @X. Creighton's performance last night might make me reevaluate that game.

At this point, I just want them to beat DePaul.

[jesmu84]

What's up with all the question threads? Especially concerning topics discussed elsewhere

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Put it this way. Pretty much everyone had us 2-3 over the past 5. Thing is, we won 2 we didn't think we would, and lost 2 we maybe should have won. But at the be of the day, the Nova win is like gold, and @ Creighton is still a huge W. we're in better shape than we would have been with wins over PC and SJU.

That said, we need to turn a corner quick. Next five are very winnable, but need to get 4 to be feeling good going into the final 3 with 9 wins in hand.

Tonight was bad.

[muguru]

Stick a fork in them..they are done. They are obviously content with beating Nova as their highlight for this year. No one can say there are plenty of wins left on the schedule...umm, did you just miss the last two games?? You know, the two they lost to freaking PC(at home) and SJU, two of the WORST teams in the BE. Sure, they beat Nova and Creighton and maybe weren't supposed to, but they did..so what?? You absolutely HAVE to beat the teams you are supposed to beat regardless of if you won two you maybe shouldn't have. MU didnt do that these last two games. Should have won 4 straight now..

[ecompt]

Stick a fork in them..they are done. They are obviously content with beating Nova as their highlight for this year. No one can say there are plenty of wins left on the schedule...umm, did you just miss the last two games?? You know, the two they lost to freaking PC(at home) and SJU, two of the WORST teams in the BE. Sure, they beat Nova and Creighton and maybe weren't supposed to, but they did..so what?? You absolutely HAVE to beat the teams you are supposed to beat regardless of if you won two you maybe shouldn't have. MU didnt do that these last two games. Should have won 4 straight now..

A bit much. We are a one-trick pony that can beat a very good team when our shots are falling and our opponent is missing wide-open looks. If we are not hitting 45-50 percent of our threes, we have little chance. Our defense is abysmal, our ballhandling is sloppy  and we are way too weak on the boards.

[rocky_warrior]

No one can say there are plenty of wins left on the schedule...

There are plenty of wins left on the schedule.


BOOM!

[muguru]

There are plenty of wins left on the schedule.


BOOM!

If you can't beat PC and SJU..find me 5 more wins..Those were two that a vast majority would have had as 2 of the 5 they need to have. They just lost to two of the worst teams in the Big East Rocky. What's next? A loss at DuhPaul Saturday? Wouldnt surprise me in the least.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

If you can't beat PC and SJU..find me 5 more wins..Those were two that a vast majority would have had as 2 of the 5 they need to have. They just lost to two of the worst teams in the Big East Rocky. What's next? A loss at DuhPaul Saturday? Wouldnt surprise me in the least.

Cya next season!

[rocky_warrior]

I'll guarantee a win @ DePaul.  You folks are smoking something good tonight.

[Warrior of Law]

A loss to DePaul means wait-til-next-year....again.

[PGsHeroes32]

Stick a fork in them..they are done. They are obviously content with beating Nova as their highlight for this year. No one can say there are plenty of wins left on the schedule...umm, did you just miss the last two games?? You know, the two they lost to freaking PC(at home) and SJU, two of the WORST teams in the BE. Sure, they beat Nova and Creighton and maybe weren't supposed to, but they did..so what?? You absolutely HAVE to beat the teams you are supposed to beat regardless of if you won two you maybe shouldn't have. MU didnt do that these last two games. Should have won 4 straight now..

And people think I'm bad

[GoldenDieners32]

Heads are still caught up in the " Marquette upsets #1 Villanova" talk

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Marquette won two they weren't supposed to, lost two they weren't supposed to. Back to square one. Go 5-3 the rest of the way and they get in.

A lesson many fans never seem to grasp. One game does not forecast the rest of the season. Marquette's win against Nova did not mean we were going to play at the level the rest of the way. Marquette's loss tonight does not mean we will play that way for the rest of the season. Most nights, we will be somewhere in between.

[PGsHeroes32]

Marquette won two they weren't supposed to, lost two they weren't supposed to. Back to square one. Go 5-3 the rest of the way and they get in.

A lesson many fans never seem to grasp. One game does not forecast the rest of the season. Marquette's win against Nova did not mean we were going to play at the level the rest of the way. Marquette's loss tonight does not mean we will play that way for the rest of the season. Most nights, we will be somewhere in between.

But can we go 5-3 the rest of the way?

I think what we are seeing is if anything it's 4-4. Jekyl and Hyde win some you shouldn't, lose some you shouldn't.

So it's looking like BET round 1 will be the do or die game

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

But can we go 5-3 the rest of the way?

Yes. This team's ceiling is high enough to go 8-0 the rest of the way. Is that likely? No. But our performance tonight has no bearing on how we will perform in the remaining 8.

[MUfan12]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=310642550

MU got pasted by a below average Hall team and it looked like there was no chance to make the tourney. They won two in NYC, and got in with 14(!) losses due to a really soft bubble.

I know the league is different, but that was a far more dire situation than the one MU is in now. Hopefully tonight taught them a lesson and they finish strong.

[Marquette4life]

I still think we need 20 wins. Do u guys agree

[ATWizJr]

The two game performance against Creighton and 'Nova was an obvious happy blip. 

We've crested the hill, are on the way down and picking up speed.  reality sucks. 

[frozena pizza]

To go 5-3 they only need to win their home games and get one road win out of DePaul, Providence and GTown.  Certainly not impossible, but Saturday is pretty huge.  Anyone expecting us to win easily at DePaul simply hasn't been paying attention.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The two game performance against Creighton and 'Nova was an obvious happy blip. 

We've crested the hill, are on the way down and picking up speed.  reality sucks.

Not happy blips. High water marks. They along with vandy represent when our team is playing near their ceiling. Michigan and St Johns are low water marks where our team is playing near their floor. Most nights we will end up somewhere in the middle.

Every game is an individual, isolated experience. Us losing to St. Johns has zero bearing on how well play against Depaul on Saturday. We could play near our ceiling and blow them out. Or play near our floor and lose by a few. Part of the fun and stress of being a college basketball fan.

[muwarrior69]

Please let's not talk tourney until we have at least 10 conference wins.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I still think we need 20 wins. Do u guys agree

No.  10-8 gets us to 19-11, and a likely date with X or Creighton in the first round BE tournament.  I don't think MU needs to win that game to get in.  If they finish 9-9, they may still finish in 5th or 6th place, and will likely still play one of X or Creighton in the first round.  They may need that win at 9-9, but honestly, I think MU may still be able to sneak into the last four in at 9-9 due to the Nova win.  That is going to be a better win than anyone else considered for the last 4 in has.

That said, our RPI needs work.  Dropped down to 68 after last nights win.  Obviously depends on who we beat, but most scenarios have a 9 win Marquette team in the mid-60's, 10 wins in the 50's, and 11 wins in the mid 40s.  These numbers are all prior to the BET. 

Please let's not talk tourney until we have at least 10 conference wins.

Lol...don't go into a thread about the tourney if you don't want to talk about it.  Literally all I care about this season is getting into the tourney. 

[4everwarriors]

Watt's relevant here is da team's trend goin' forward. It don't matta ta beat Creighton and Nova when ya go all soil yourself against PC and St. Johns. More importantly, can Wojo write da ship? Could get motherfookin' ugly, ai na?

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Watt's relevant here is da team's trend goin' forward. It don't matta ta beat Creighton and Nova when ya go all soil yourself against PC and St. Johns. More importantly, can Wojo write da ship? Could get motherfookin' ugly, ai na?

Except it does matter.  Don't get me wrong, we gave back about 75% of the goodwill we gained from the Creighton and Nova wins, but at the end of the day, assuming MU gets to 9 or 10 wins, that Nova game is going to be HUGE in the committee's eyes.  At this point, I am hoping Nova wins out in conference play.  Marquee wins (Nova) and top 15 road wins (Creighton) are two of the main criteria for an NCAA berth.   

[Daniel]

We are dancing on the bubble with cleats.   

[fjm]

While I am annoyed as hell and have been avoiding Scoop because I will feel worse...

I think 9-9 gets us in as a 10. Even with a BET loss.

Having said that, my goal this season was a top NIT seed.

But damn it we can make the tourney if we focus and stop turning the ball over and even TRY to defend the basket.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Looking at bracket matrix last 4 in:  Michigan, TCU, Ok State, Seton Hall.  Woof!

10-8 is lock city, 9-9 plus BET semis is probably a lock, 9-9 and BET quarters probably out...but still might be enough given how soft the bubble is.

Beat DePaul, win one more on the road, 3-1 at home...that is my path to the tourney.  2-2 at home and 3-2 on the road is the other scenario.  Both are doable.

[Big Papi]

Yes. This team's ceiling is high enough to go 8-0 the rest of the way. Is that likely? No. But our performance tonight has no bearing on how we will perform in the remaining 8.

This team is not capable of going 8-0 the rest of the way.  Zero likelihood.  Too many issues with defense being issue, 1, 2 and 3 before we even talk about rebounding, height, etc.  We had one great game against Creighton.  The Villanova game was fantastic.  Awesome experience to be there and witness that comeback.  The highlight of the last 4 years bar none.  But, it was 7 minutes where darn near everything went right for us and everything went wrong for Villanova and Nova lost that game more then we won it. 

You are correct that 5-3 will get us in the tourney.  I think that is a 50-50 proposition at best.  The only game you can say with certainty that we should win is at DePaul.

[willie warrior]

Looking at bracket matrix last 4 in:  Michigan, TCU, Ok State, Seton Hall.  Woof!

10-8 is lock city, 9-9 plus BET semis is probably a lock, 9-9 and BET quarters probably out...but still might be enough given how soft the bubble is.

Beat DePaul, win one more on the road, 3-1 at home...that is my path to the tourney.  2-2 at home and 3-2 on the road is the other scenario.  Both are doable.

Nothing about this team is a lock.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Nothing about this team is a lock.

I meant 10-8 would make us a tournament lock, not that going 10-8 is a lock.

[MU82]

Stick a fork in them..they are done. They are obviously content with beating Nova as their highlight for this year. No one can say there are plenty of wins left on the schedule...umm, did you just miss the last two games?? You know, the two they lost to freaking PC(at home) and SJU, two of the WORST teams in the BE. Sure, they beat Nova and Creighton and maybe weren't supposed to, but they did..so what?? You absolutely HAVE to beat the teams you are supposed to beat regardless of if you won two you maybe shouldn't have. MU didnt do that these last two games. Should have won 4 straight now..

Ahhh ... all is right with the world.

After we beat Nova, guru was so damn unhappy that he couldn't come on here and tell everybody that the Warriors are done, that Wojo has to go, that all the players suck, and on and on.

But now he is free to show his true (warped) fandumb.

Welcome back, guru. And congrats!

[GoldenDieners32]

Can't lose anymore games we are favored in. If we do that we will have to win against Creighton, X at least once, at georgetown and at home vs st johns

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Can't lose anymore games we are favored in. If we do that we will have to win against Creighton, X at least once, at georgetown and at home vs st johns

IF I had to guess:

W @ Depaul

W vs. Butler

L @ Georgetown

W vs. X

W vs. SJU

L @ PC

L @ X

W vs. Creighton

That gets us to 10-8, but shaking in our boots for that final game vs. Creighton. That said, could pretty much see any outcome in any game besides @ Depaul and vs. SJU, which I think we take care of business.  I think we stomp SJU at home. Last night was a perfect storm for them - reminded me of when they played at Cuse earlier this year.   

That would mean sweeping Depaul and Creighton, getting swept by PC and splitting with everyone else.  That @ PC game is going to be huge (well, they're all huge at this point).

[4everwarriors]

An argument can be made for only maybe beatin' DPaul, ai na?

[KampusFoods]

An argument can be made for only maybe beatin' DPaul, ai na?

Yup

[Babybluejeans]

IF I had to guess:

W @ Depaul

W vs. Butler

L @ Georgetown

W vs. X

W vs. SJU

L @ PC

L @ X

W vs. Creighton

That gets us to 10-8, but shaking in our boots for that final game vs. Creighton. That said, could pretty much see any outcome in any game besides @ Depaul and vs. SJU, which I think we take care of business.  I think we stomp SJU at home. Last night was a perfect storm for them - reminded me of when they played at Cuse earlier this year.   

That would mean sweeping Depaul and Creighton, getting swept by PC and splitting with everyone else.  That @ PC game is going to be huge (well, they're all huge at this point).

I don't think we beat Creighton twice, even with their issues, but I also don't think we get swept by Providence. In any event, these predictions demonstrate what a good opportunity we have--every game is "winnable" (except perhaps @X). But they also demonstrate that our tourney hopes sit on an effing razor's edge.

[GoldenDieners32]

IF I had to guess:

W @ Depaul

W vs. Butler

L @ Georgetown

W vs. X

W vs. SJU

L @ PC

L @ X

W vs. Creighton

That gets us to 10-8, but shaking in our boots for that final game vs. Creighton. That said, could pretty much see any outcome in any game besides @ Depaul and vs. SJU, which I think we take care of business.  I think we stomp SJU at home. Last night was a perfect storm for them - reminded me of when they played at Cuse earlier this year.   

That would mean sweeping Depaul and Creighton, getting swept by PC and splitting with everyone else.  That @ PC game is going to be huge (well, they're all huge at this point).

We can beat providence at providence and Gtown

[Spotcheck Billy]

We can beat providence at providence and Gtown

We still have to play Providence twice?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

We still have to play Providence twice?

No, he's seeing we can beat Providence at their place.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

We can beat providence at providence and Gtown

Yes, we certainly can. But I'm not expecting it at this point.

[brewcity77]

No, he's seeing we can beat Providence at their place.

But also saying we can beat Providence at Georgetown

Not sure why they'd put a neutral site game in DC, but I suppose it's not far from where we played Vandy

[ATWizJr]

IF I had to guess:

W @ Depaul

W vs. Butler

L @ Georgetown

W vs. X

W vs. SJU

L @ PC

L @ X

W vs. Creighton

That gets us to 10-8, but shaking in our boots for that final game vs. Creighton. That said, could pretty much see any outcome in any game besides @ Depaul and vs. SJU, which I think we take care of business.  I think we stomp SJU at home. Last night was a perfect storm for them - reminded me of when they played at Cuse earlier this year.   

That would mean sweeping Depaul and Creighton, getting swept by PC and splitting with everyone else.  That @ PC game is going to be huge (well, they're all huge at this point).

 

I think you have confused wishing with dreaming.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

 

I think you have confused wishing with dreaming.

You think 10-8 is dreaming now?

[MUBigDance]

For me its all about 4 things:
1. The game in front of me.
2. Getting to the Big Dance this year.
3. winning 1 at the Dance this year.
4. winning 2 at the Dance this year.

Maybe if we can get better and compete for a BE title I will care more about that.
I like to think we'll get good recruits and be better in 2020 or whatever...but generally can't focus on that.

The danger of being this way is if we tank at the end of the year...I lose interest...fair weather....still go to games and enjoy a win...but out of it.

I wonder if I need to be a different type of fan....but until then I have to say 5-3 plus a BET win to get to 20 and get to the tourney...Cause that's what its about.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

For me its all about 4 things:
1. The game in front of me.
2. Getting to the Big Dance this year.
3. winning 1 at the Dance this year.
4. winning 2 at the Dance this year.

Maybe if we can get better and compete for a BE title I will care more about that.
I like to think we'll get good recruits and be better in 2020 or whatever...but generally can't focus on that.

The danger of being this way is if we tank at the end of the year...I lose interest...fair weather....still go to games and enjoy a win...but out of it.

I wonder if I need to be a different type of fan....but until then I have to say 5-3 plus a BET win to get to 20 and get to the tourney...Cause that's what its about.

Won't need a BET win at 10-8 (5-3 to close the year).

[brewcity77]

Hearing coach speak from fans feels so inane. The whole "we have to focus on the next game" mindset doesn't apply to us. Planning to cheer for Marquette in the Butler game won't have any impact on their play against DePaul. Just like wearing your lucky underwear or not stepping on cracks in the Bradley Center floor won't change what happens in the game.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

 

I think you have confused wishing with dreaming.

We went 5-3 in our first 8 games and that included @Nova, Nova, @Butler, and @Creighton. None of our final 8 games are nearly as tough as those 4. Going 5-3 in our final 8 is not dreaming.

[ATWizJr]

You think 10-8 is dreaming now?

 

Yes.  We are wildly inconsistent.  If the inconsistency pendulum is on an uptick then we can play with anyone, if not, PC and SJU.  There's not a guaranteed win remaining in our BE schedule.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

 

Yes.  We are wildly inconsistent.  If the inconsistency pendulum is on an uptick then we can play with anyone, if not, PC and SJU.  There's not a guaranteed win remaining in our BE schedule.

Well welcome you back on the wagon soon enough. I agree it will be tough to go 5-3, but it's totally possible.

[MU82]

Hearing coach speak from fans feels so inane. The whole "we have to focus on the next game" mindset doesn't apply to us. Planning to cheer for Marquette in the Butler game won't have any impact on their play against DePaul. Just like wearing your lucky underwear or not stepping on cracks in the Bradley Center floor won't change what happens in the game.

Yeah, but if you do, you'll break your mother's back!

That's science!

[ATWizJr]

 

I think you have confused wishing with dreaming.

 

Kerflush.