Wojo

[cheebs09]

I really have little issues with the offensive end, too much focus ends up there anyway.  My issues are defensively, 3 years 3 sets of pretty different players.  All 3 years atrocious defense. The amount of absolutely wide open shots and layups has been horrifying.  Defense it all about toughness, wojos teams have shown none.

I was worried watching the Howard game. It just seemed like they got into the paint so easily, which tends to be a hallmark of Wojo coached defenses. We just get beat so easily on penetration and are always in help and recover mode. Coupling that with slow rotations, and we have trouble.

[dgies9156]

Wojo praising Pitt seniors instead of really talking about
the issues on his squad.

If you think we have problems now, just watch what happens when a coach is harsh on his players in public. Cripe, we would make DePaul look great.

You don't know what's going on in the locker room or in private behind closed door talks. I promise Wojo is more aggravated about what's not happening than even we are -- if that is possible!

The real problem is our Warriors teased us with Vanderbilt. The team showed us what we could be when everything is clicking.We beat a pesky though not that great Howard team that had given Michigan fits.

Then we got killed by being our 2015-2016 selves. But even then, there were signs of life.

In the course of a week, we have gone from Final Four to fire Wojo! Or at least make his seat hot.

We saw flashes of brilliance but then we reverted to last year.

Not sure where we are yet, but we'll see.

[Babybluejeansfan]

No way around it, we've seen two VERY poorly coached games in a row. And while we weren't beating Mich anyway, coaching 100% lost that game to Pitt.

No loss or win is constituted 100% by coaching, or players.  A missed free throw, rebound, shot, those are player actions. 

[fjm]

This team of shooters went 7/26 from 3. This is some on Wojo. But maybe 33%. The rest is us not hitting our 3's.

Make 2 more 3's and we win by 3. You've all said "this is a team if we are on we can win any game, if we are off we can lose any game." Last night we were off by 2 3 pointers.

Frustrating I agree, but this is not solely on Wojo.

[Anti-Dentite]

It's the defense, we haven't played any in 2+ years and there is no sign that it will ever get better and that's on Wojo and his staff. It's all about attitude and getting after it on the defensive end and we don't have it. We now have an adequate sample and the fact is we suck at defense and I don't see it getting better.

[79Warrior]

The only reason you think they are a mess is because they got blown out by us. You think the season is over after four games. Good grief.

Sure. Thats it. Not that they have no point guard, a new coach trying to instill a his system and a short bench. Other than they they are fine.

[wadesworld]

The frame of reference is not 3 games but three seasons. We are watching the same crap over and over.

I am not an alarmist. But I have not witnessed the progress I expect from an enterprise that enjoys such significant investment from its shareholders.

The Michigan tilt was not Wojo's third game but the dismal start of his third season.

So sell your shares before Wojo entirely removes any and all value they have.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I want to continue to have patience in Wojo. But at the same time, I just watch Coach Carolyn Kieger and the womens team beat a ranked opponent by double digits.

They started at the exact same time and I really dont think the womens team is any more talented than the mens, but guess what, they started turning it around completely last year and are looking like a NCAA team this year.

Why are there such low expectations for Wojo? The womens team and Coach Kieger started with even a more bare cupboard than Wojo did, but their development is lightyears ahead of the mens. Fair or not, the seat is probably getting warmer if things dont improve quickly.

[GGGG]

Who says there are low expectations for Wojo?

[4everwarriors]

And I am going to bluntly honest about Wojo's future.

The Marquette administration is going to hope that he grows into the job.  They have to.  They have invested in him through 2020.  He's been given a long leash so he can build the program from the ground up.  Getting rid of him now is simply going to set Marquette basketball back even further.  The Buzz-esque, Juco quick fix option isn't apparently available. 

Now we can Monday morning quarterback it and say we should have hired Cuonzo, or someone else, instead of Wojo.  And we can also lament his coaching shortfalls.

However he is going to be here next year regardless of what happens this year.  (He may be "asked" to make some changes IMO if this year goes down the crapper.)  Likely even the year after that.

I'm still officially in Wojo's corner. Duz he have worts? Chit yeah, but his contract will have no impact on weather he stays or goes. Da University can't afford ta let a few shekels stand in da way of its cash cow, ai na?

[jonny09]

I've said this before and will say it again.  This is going to be another year with no tournament.  Also, next years class will not be immediate contributors.  They just won't be ready.  Losing Luke as our only big and Matt Heldt basically being just awful will really hurt.   Tell me when we make the dance again?   I'm so frustrated.  I can't remember the last time I have been this disinterested. 

[Lennys Tap]

This program has a lot of work ahead to become what I would love to see them be. It is make or break for Wojo in my opinion. Thus far this year looks like another big project.

Agree that this season is really important. We're experienced and deep, loaded with top 100 recruits. Hard to imagine next year will be better with 3 starters (and maybe Duane) gone. If we crap the bed this year I see more of the same in 2017-18.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Agree that this season is really important. We're experienced and deep, loaded with top 100 recruits. Hard to imagine next year will be better with 3 starters (and maybe Duane) gone. If we crap the bed this year I see more of the same in 2017-18.

Well this is an interesting take.  We have one serviceable player over 6' 8"...how is that "deep" again?

All we've seen over the last two games is what every sane person should have expected to see.  When we play tall, athletic teams we are going to have serious problems.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I want to continue to have patience in Wojo. But at the same time, I just watch Coach Carolyn Kieger and the womens team beat a ranked opponent by double digits.

They started at the exact same time and I really dont think the womens team is any more talented than the mens, but guess what, they started turning it around completely last year and are looking like a NCAA team this year.

Why are there such low expectations for Wojo? The womens team and Coach Kieger started with even a more bare cupboard than Wojo did, but their development is lightyears ahead of the mens. Fair or not, the seat is probably getting warmer if things dont improve quickly.

https://youtu.be/h61h2Isv5EQ

[Disco Hippie]

I am not convinced of that. All this talk of "great shooters" and we know who they are is just that, talk. Our defense is non-existent and the team just does not know how to win. You can be the best coach in the country, but if your players can't execute what you try to teach them it becomes an exercise in frustration. I saw that on Wojo's face the last two games.

Agree 100%.   Our players are just flat out not as good or talented we all thought they would be.  I'm neutral on Wojo, so neither defending nor opposing him.   I think he knows what he's doing but it's a lot easier when you have the advantage of coaching the best of the best every year as he did his entire career prior to coming here.   Hank aside,  he generally isn't going to get anywhere near that kind of talent on a regular basis.   Along with JjJ, DWil was the cream of his class, and now doesn't even start.   I'm not going to argue here wheather he should be or not........that can be debated in another thread.  All I'm saying is  our talent is just not as good as we all want.   I find it very hard to believe Wojo  instructed Rowsey of all people to drive through two monsters on two possessions in a row only to get swatted away like a mosquito on both attempts.  If Wojo did draw up those plays for him,  I'm boarding the Fire Wojo train immediately!

[Lennys Tap]

Well this is an interesting take.  We have one serviceable player over 6' 8"...how is that "deep" again?

All we've seen over the last two games is what every sane person should have expected to see.  When we play tall, athletic teams we are going to have serious problems.

We're "deep" because we actually have 10 or 11 guys who can play. Two years ago (as a redshirt freshman) Duane Wilson averaged more than 28 minutes a game. Now it's 15.

Your 2nd paragraph further proves my point. This year we have a top 100 senior big and nobody else with any size (who can play). You think between 2 freshman next (one who's not even a top 200 guy) it will get any better?

[79Warrior]

Agree 100%.   Our players are just flat out not as good or talented we all thought they would be.  I'm neutral on Wojo, so neither defending nor opposing him.   I think he knows what he's doing but it's a lot easier when you have the advantage of coaching the best of the best every year as he did his entire career prior to coming here.   Hank aside,  he generally isn't going to get anywhere near that kind of talent on a regular basis.   Along with JjJ, DWil was the cream of his class, and now doesn't even start.   I'm not going to argue here wheather he should be or not........that can be debated in another thread.  All I'm saying is  our talent is just not as good as we all want.   I find it very hard to believe Wojo  instructed Rowsey of all people to drive through two monsters on two possessions in a row only to get swatted away like a mosquito on both attempts.  If Wojo did draw up those plays for him,  I'm boarding the Fire Wojo train immediately!

JJJ was a Buzz recruit, as was DWill.

[Lennys Tap]

JJJ was a Buzz recruit, as was DWill.

So true. And Wojo, like lots of other coaches, favors his own. Does anyone really believe that Carter, Howard and Rowsey have earned the right to get approximately the same minutes as Duane? No frackin' way.

[GGGG]

I don't have a problem with how Wojo has treated the players he has inherited from Buzz.

Except for Duane.  I just don't get it.

[1SE]

I've been consistently skeptical of Wojo. There are two glaring issues.

Having no "true" 4 is killing us. This is entirely on Wojo. He doesn't get credit for "trying" to get a 4 but missing. Part of being a coach is being able to put together a complete team. He had to know there was a very good chance HE was gone - his backup plan was "I'll try and get a 4 late in the 2016 recruiting season". Not good enough.

Not being able to make in game adjustments. Again, entirely on Wojo. If the momentum swings against you you have to have some tricks up your sleeve to swing it back. Wojo just looks like a deer in headlights.

Can't do anything about not having the "4", it is what it is. We'll lose some games because of that but still could make the post season with this roster if Wojo can coach. If he can, great, let's respect the process and give full support to the project continuing.

If he can't coach, we miss the post season. If that happens he's done in my book and I'll gladly contribute to a fund to pay his buyout, contingent on Scholl resigning as well. A school that spends the money we spend on basketball can't abide this level of sustained mediocrity.

[rocket surgeon]

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 19, 2016, 08:57:56 AM
And I am going to bluntly honest about Wojo's future.

The Marquette administration is going to hope that he grows into the job.  They have to.  They have invested in him through 2020.  He's been given a long leash so he can build the program from the ground up.  Getting rid of him now is simply going to set Marquette basketball back even further.  The Buzz-esque, Juco quick fix option isn't apparently available. 

Now we can Monday morning quarterback it and say we should have hired Cuonzo, or someone else, instead of Wojo.  And we can also lament his coaching shortfalls.

However he is going to be here next year regardless of what happens this year.  (He may be "asked" to make some changes IMO if this year goes down the crapper.)  Likely even the year after that.


God knows sully and i have had "some" differences, but this time , he's dead on.  wojo is a winner and a fighter.  as someone mentioned in a different post, comparisons to al and his first few years are not comparable.  i disagree.  there have been many coaches who struggled to find their sweet spot.  remember a guy named rick majerus?  all it takes is a few big wins and a trip or two or three to the dance and either they become the guy who kids want to play for or they're gone.

   wojo doesn't put the rock in the hole, but yes, we will need to see some progress

[Class71]

Dude needs to get his sh1t together. I don't give a rat's ass about excuses.

Show me the f#cking money.

Good luck. Maybe MU should set up a safe zone for Wojo. A new concept, hold him accountable? Shocking.

[vogue65]

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on November 19, 2016, 08:57:56 AM
And I am going to bluntly honest about Wojo's future.

The Marquette administration is going to hope that he grows into the job.  They have to.  They have invested in him through 2020.  He's been given a long leash so he can build the program from the ground up.  Getting rid of him now is simply going to set Marquette basketball back even further.  The Buzz-esque, Juco quick fix option isn't apparently available. 

Now we can Monday morning quarterback it and say we should have hired Cuonzo, or someone else, instead of Wojo.  And we can also lament his coaching shortfalls.

However he is going to be here next year regardless of what happens this year.  (He may be "asked" to make some changes IMO if this year goes down the crapper.)  Likely even the year after that.


God knows sully and i have had "some" differences, but this time , he's dead on.  wojo is a winner and a fighter.  as someone mentioned in a different post, comparisons to al and his first few years are not comparable.  i disagree.  there have been many coaches who struggled to find their sweet spot.  remember a guy named rick majerus?  all it takes is a few big wins and a trip or two or three to the dance and either they become the guy who kids want to play for or they're gone.

   wojo doesn't put the rock in the hole, but yes, we will need to see some progress

I was here/there during the late 60's, our "program" was like our volleyball program is today.
Mythology is a very interesting subject, it might be part of catholicism.

[real chili 83]

Here we are basihing Wojo, and in the recruiting thread expecting him to land Sam Hauser.  I don't get it.

[fjm]

Here we are basihing Wojo, and in the recruiting thread expecting him to land Sam Hauser.  I don't get it.

I'm thinking you meant Joey. And yes everyone is irrational. WOJO IS THE WORST! Unless we win today. Oh and if we get Joey, put up a statue of Wojo... but let's hang him cause we went 7/26 from 3.