Author Topic: come on MAN! (Read 4696 times)

rocket surgeon · « **on:** October 22, 2016, 06:16:52 PM »

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/22/calif-university-deems-man-secretary-male-nurse-not-inclusive-enough.html

this was just too good to pass up
no more phrases with the term "man" in it nor anything that may imply a specific gender. BUT, ya'll gotta appreciate the spokeswhatever's disclaimer at the end...put it this way-freedom of speech really ain't free out there. don't let them kid you. i'm sure they're going to have a run on counselors for those who are having difficulty ridding themselves of that nasty old "man-made" habit.

is it any wonder why their 4 year graduation rate is 13%??

please please, i hope this one burns out before it gets to the midwest.

time for a "4everwarrior-ism" to bring some levity back to mankind, 'ey?

jesmu84 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 22, 2016, 06:39:01 PM »

Just stop.

rocket surgeon · « **Reply #2 on:** October 22, 2016, 06:57:32 PM »

Quote from: jesmu84 on October 22, 2016, 06:39:01 PM

Just stop.

lighten up francis-just having a little fun

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #3 on:** October 22, 2016, 10:00:15 PM »

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 22, 2016, 06:16:52 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/22/calif-university-deems-man-secretary-male-nurse-not-inclusive-enough.html

this was just too good to pass up
no more phrases with the term "man" in it nor anything that may imply a specific gender. BUT, ya'll gotta appreciate the spokeswhatever's disclaimer at the end...put it this way-freedom of speech really ain't free out there. don't let them kid you. i'm sure they're going to have a run on counselors for those who are having difficulty ridding themselves of that nasty old "man-made" habit.

is it any wonder why their 4 year graduation rate is 13%??

please please, i hope this one burns out before it gets to the midwest.

time for a "4everwarrior-ism" to bring some levity back to mankind, 'ey?

The words aren't banned. It's just a list of commonly used non inclusive phrases that they want to make people aware of and think about.

rocket surgeon · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2016, 07:42:09 AM »

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 22, 2016, 10:00:15 PM

The words aren't banned. It's just a list of commonly used non inclusive phrases that they want to make people aware of and think about.

"Also off-limits: “Mankind,” “man the desk/phones/tables,” “hey guys,” “man-made,” “workmanship,” “hey, dudes!” and “the common man.” And don’t even think about using “man” or calling someone “Mrs. or Miss,” or more than a dozen other words and phrases.

As part of its Inclusive Language Program, CSU Fullerton also invited students to let the University know what words or phrases “you want people to eliminate.”

i'm thinking about what these words really mean as well

i guess i am just a little uncomfortable about where we are going with all of this

muwarrior69 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2016, 07:50:11 AM »

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 23, 2016, 07:42:09 AM

"Also off-limits: “Mankind,” “man the desk/phones/tables,” “hey guys,” “man-made,” “workmanship,” “hey, dudes!” and “the common man.” And don’t even think about using “man” or calling someone “Mrs. or Miss,” or more than a dozen other words and phrases.

As part of its Inclusive Language Program, CSU Fullerton also invited students to let the University know what words or phrases “you want people to eliminate.”

i'm thinking about what these words really mean as well

i guess i am just a little uncomfortable about where we are going with all of this

It's all from the Newspeak dictionary from 1984.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Love is Hate

Big Brother Loves You.

4everwarriors · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2016, 08:40:29 AM »

PC isms at it again. Dat's why Trump gained traction. A penis is a dick and a vagina is a poosay, and its always gonna be so in spite of witch crapper ya walk inta, ai na?

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #7 on:** October 23, 2016, 10:10:02 AM »

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 23, 2016, 07:42:09 AM

"Also off-limits: “Mankind,” “man the desk/phones/tables,” “hey guys,” “man-made,” “workmanship,” “hey, dudes!” and “the common man.” And don’t even think about using “man” or calling someone “Mrs. or Miss,” or more than a dozen other words and phrases.

As part of its Inclusive Language Program, CSU Fullerton also invited students to let the University know what words or phrases “you want people to eliminate.”

i'm thinking about what these words really mean as well

i guess i am just a little uncomfortable about where we are going with all of this

The article you quoted says off limits. If you actually read the statement from the university, there is nothing about them being off limits. The author is just doesn't like the concept of inclusive language so he tries to make it seem worse than it is.

I'm fine if the university wants people to think about the implications of some of these words. Men remain Mr. regardless of their marital status, but women go from Ms. to Mrs. when they marry because society deemed it important to know that they are now "owned" by a man. Its an interesting thing to think about discuss. The kind of discussion you should be having at a university. Some are a little silly IMHO. The "man the stations" one stands out.

warriorchick · « **Reply #8 on:** October 23, 2016, 10:19:23 AM »

Come on, Rocket. You can't even agree that "male nurse" is a stupid phrase?

I take it you don't have any "lady dentists" in your practice.

GGGG · « **Reply #9 on:** October 23, 2016, 10:23:38 AM »

I haven't been using words like "secretary" or "mankind" for nearly 20 years. And I never refer to someone as "Miss" or "Mrs" unless they identify as such.

Really, this is a controversy?

Badgerhoney · « **Reply #10 on:** October 23, 2016, 11:30:41 AM »

Amen

(can we say Amen, since men is in the word?)

rocket surgeon · « **Reply #11 on:** October 23, 2016, 02:07:24 PM »

Quote from: warriorchick on October 23, 2016, 10:19:23 AM

Come on, Rocket. You can't even agree that "male nurse" is a stupid phrase?

I take it you don't have any "lady dentists" in your practice.

i did a few years ago and she was a damn good dds. left due to health issues and to have babies. we still keep in touch and she knows that she is welcome to come back to help out any time

"male nurse" sometimes people want a clarification as historically, the career has been dominated by women. i do not see the use of the term is or should be a degradation. tell people to be offended or tell them what to be offended by?

how about this one-"male dental hygienist" i've only met 2 in my life. so is that term out of bounds as well?

all that this does is clear up any preconceived notion; nothing disrespectful in my mind, but then again, i may need some re-programming myself

the article also states " inappropriate to use" the terms they outline in their "guide" so what does "inappropriate" mean? if the wrong person over hears one using one of the "inappropriate" words, what kind of "discipline" is forthcoming from the "word police"? counselors, man your stations, 'ey?

forgetful · « **Reply #12 on:** October 23, 2016, 02:48:12 PM »

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 23, 2016, 07:42:09 AM

"Also off-limits: “Mankind,” “man the desk/phones/tables,” “hey guys,” “man-made,” “workmanship,” “hey, dudes!” and “the common man.” And don’t even think about using “man” or calling someone “Mrs. or Miss,” or more than a dozen other words and phrases.

As part of its Inclusive Language Program, CSU Fullerton also invited students to let the University know what words or phrases “you want people to eliminate.”

i'm thinking about what these words really mean as well

i guess i am just a little uncomfortable about where we are going with all of this

With the exception of TAMU being right (they are not banned) and agreeing with warriorchick, Male Nurse is absurdly stupid; I agree with you on this issue.

These words are not "non-inclusive", they are only "non-inclusive" because people are looking for things to take offense at. Man, Woman, Mankind, men, women, male, female are only non-inclusive because they are describing physically different entities for clarity sake.

masculine and feminine be avoided because they are divisive; how about the word feminism then, rooted in the word female and feminine for the intentional demarcation between man and woman.

There are key issues that need to be addressed. We are a long way from treating people with equality. There are many causes to that problem, but these words are not part of it; rather focusing on issues like these words, instead of the major discriminatory issues only detracts and cheapens an important movement.

rocket surgeon · « **Reply #13 on:** October 27, 2016, 03:05:54 PM »

well, here we go-northern colorado univ. mandates "free speech" that ain't so free, 'ey?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/27/univ-northern-colorado-students-forced-to-use-mandatory-gender-neutral-language.html

GGGG · « **Reply #14 on:** October 27, 2016, 03:39:59 PM »

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 27, 2016, 03:05:54 PM

well, here we go-northern colorado univ. mandates "free speech" that ain't so free, 'ey?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/27/univ-northern-colorado-students-forced-to-use-mandatory-gender-neutral-language.html

The University of Northern Colorado isn't mandating anything.

HouWarrior · « **Reply #15 on:** October 27, 2016, 03:47:12 PM »

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 23, 2016, 10:10:02 AM

Men remain Mr. regardless of their marital status, but women go from Ms. to Mrs. when they marry because society deemed it important to know that they are now "owned" by a man. Its an interesting thing to think about discuss.

You missed some history here.

Prior to the 70s the term was Miss for the unmarried female and Mrs. for the married.

"Ms."... fixed the problem,

Ms. was newly invented to cover both. It remains proper/preferred to refer to any female with the Ms. connotation as it applies regardless of marital status...ie

Ms. is the equivalent of Mr. and is the permanent cure for the historical female marital status monikers you have referenced.

Please revise your TAMU Title IX handbook accordingly. lol

Pakuni · « **Reply #16 on:** October 27, 2016, 03:48:41 PM »

People who get all their news from Fox News probably shouldn't mock others for seeking "safe spaces."

GGGG · « **Reply #17 on:** October 27, 2016, 03:53:46 PM »

Quote from: Pakuni on October 27, 2016, 03:48:41 PM

People who get all their news from Fox News probably shouldn't mock others for seeking "safe spaces."

Thanks for that.

Silkk the Shaka · « **Reply #18 on:** October 27, 2016, 03:55:25 PM »

Quote from: Badgerhoney on October 23, 2016, 11:30:41 AM

Amen

(can we say Amen, since men is in the word?)

Yes, Chicos, you can say Amen. You are not persecuted. It's just the voices in your head telling you so.

rocket surgeon · « **Reply #19 on:** October 27, 2016, 03:59:09 PM »

Quote from: Pakuni on October 27, 2016, 03:48:41 PM

People who get all their news from Fox News probably shouldn't mock others for seeking "safe spaces."

why is that? and BTW, i don't get all my news from fox

reinko · « **Reply #20 on:** October 27, 2016, 05:45:58 PM »

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 27, 2016, 03:59:09 PM

why is that? and BTW, i don't get all my news from fox

Of course you don't, ya got Brietbart and Alex Jones too.

JOKES! Like RS!

#UnleashSean · « **Reply #21 on:** October 27, 2016, 07:39:17 PM »

Quote from: Pakuni on October 27, 2016, 03:48:41 PM

People who get all their news from Fox News probably shouldn't mock others for seeking "safe spaces."

That ad hominem argument though.

real chili 83 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 27, 2016, 08:32:03 PM »

In before the lock.

Pakuni · « **Reply #23 on:** October 27, 2016, 09:05:21 PM »

Quote from: #UnleashWally on October 27, 2016, 07:39:17 PM

That ad hominem argument though.

I don't think you know what that means.

#UnleashSean · « **Reply #24 on:** October 27, 2016, 09:51:59 PM »

Quote from: Pakuni on October 27, 2016, 09:05:21 PM

I don't think you know what that means.

Insulting the person instead of the argument they make.

"People who get all their news from Fox News probably shouldn't mock others for seeking "safe spaces."

Seems like a pretty easy case.

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #25 on:** October 28, 2016, 02:15:45 AM »

Quote from: houwarrior on October 27, 2016, 03:47:12 PM

You missed some history here.

Prior to the 70s the term was Miss for the unmarried female and Mrs. for the married.

"Ms."... fixed the problem,

Ms. was newly invented to cover both. It remains proper/preferred to refer to any female with the Ms. connotation as it applies regardless of marital status...ie

Ms. is the equivalent of Mr. and is the permanent cure for the historical female marital status monikers you have referenced.

Please revise your TAMU Title IX handbook accordingly. lol

I actually didn't know that. I appreciate the share. Unfortunately, Ms. may have certainly intended to have fix the problem but it didn't. People still associate Ms. with unmarried and Mrs. with married without a similar switch for men. Now I still go by mister and if someone introduces themselves as ms. or mrs. I absolutely acknowledge them by those names. But I don't think it hurts to discuss the societal implications of these types of things.

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #26 on:** October 28, 2016, 02:19:55 AM »

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 27, 2016, 03:05:54 PM

well, here we go-northern colorado univ. mandates "free speech" that ain't so free, 'ey?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/27/univ-northern-colorado-students-forced-to-use-mandatory-gender-neutral-language.html

This is an interesting story...though the title and your post are a bit misleading. I also would love to read the syllabus for myself to see how "mandated" it actually is. But if it is as the article leads it to be, it becomes a debate of free speech vs. academic freedom. Since it is a sociology class, I'd give some leeway. If an engineering professor started grading students on inclusive language, I'd be concerned. An interesting topic for sure.

rocket surgeon · « **Reply #27 on:** October 28, 2016, 05:10:37 AM »

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 28, 2016, 02:19:55 AM

This is an interesting story...though the title and your post are a bit misleading. I also would love to read the syllabus for myself to see how "mandated" it actually is. But if it is as the article leads it to be, it becomes a debate of free speech vs. academic freedom. Since it is a sociology class, I'd give some leeway. If an engineering professor started grading students on inclusive language, I'd be concerned. An interesting topic for sure.

i've been known to use a little sarcasm in my posts from time to time, but at least you sniffed out some of the potential issues that could go wrong...quickly. in the big scheme of things, this seems to me to be more rabble rousing and wasted energy than educational. is this really going to lead to more respect? whenever something like this is MANDATED, it loses some of it's appeal and is looked at with a whole different lens

in a completely unrelated side note-did you see texas A & M made the news the other day-some chick(term probably won't fly in class) ran in to a cop car while trying to take a topless selfie for her main squeeze.

http://www.kbtx.com/content/news/Police-AM-student-slams-into-police-car-after-taking-Snapchat-photo-for-boyfriend-398886641.html

for entertainment purposes only-must our dads out there with daughters at college advise?

Pakuni · « **Reply #28 on:** October 28, 2016, 07:42:01 AM »

Quote from: #UnleashWally on October 27, 2016, 09:51:59 PM

Insulting the person instead of the argument they make.

"People who get all their news from Fox News probably shouldn't mock others for seeking "safe spaces."

Seems like a pretty easy case.

He made an argument? Pointing out inconsistency is a personal insult?
You've confirmed that you don't know what ad hominem means.

TAMU, Knower of Ball · « **Reply #29 on:** October 28, 2016, 09:10:47 AM »

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 28, 2016, 05:10:37 AM

i've been known to use a little sarcasm in my posts from time to time, but at least you sniffed out some of the potential issues that could go wrong...quickly. in the big scheme of things, this seems to me to be more rabble rousing and wasted energy than educational. is this really going to lead to more respect? whenever something like this is MANDATED, it loses some of it's appeal and is looked at with a whole different lens

as an incompletely unrelated side note-did you see texas A & M made the news the other day-some chick(term probably won't fly in class) ran in to a cop car while trying to take a topless selfie for her main squeeze.

http://www.kbtx.com/content/news/Police-AM-student-slams-into-police-car-after-taking-Snapchat-photo-for-boyfriend-398886641.html

for entertainment purposes only-must our dads out there with daughters at college advise?

Hadn't seen that one yet. Took off work today to go to my bachelor party. But that is Fing hilarious.

WellsstreetWanderer · « **Reply #30 on:** October 28, 2016, 03:11:17 PM »

Congratulations! As our Jewish friends say, "Mazeltov"

HouWarrior · « **Reply #31 on:** October 28, 2016, 05:16:39 PM »

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 28, 2016, 09:10:47 AM

Hadn't seen that one yet. Took off work today to go to my bachelor party. But that is Fing hilarious.

Are you sure she wasnt one of the "entertainers" heading to your bachelor party? lol

http://www.chron.com/news/local/article/Texas-A-M-student-arrested-after-hitting-police-10417357.php

rocket surgeon · « **Reply #32 on:** October 29, 2016, 06:25:46 AM »

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 28, 2016, 09:10:47 AM

Hadn't seen that one yet. Took off work today to go to my bachelor party. But that is Fing hilarious.

if you are well enough to read this today-congratulations! go aggies, 'ey?

4everwarriors · « **Reply #33 on:** October 29, 2016, 07:05:13 AM »

Quote from: houwarrior on October 28, 2016, 05:16:39 PM

Are you sure she wasnt one of the "entertainers" heading to your bachelor party? lol

http://www.chron.com/news/local/article/Texas-A-M-student-arrested-after-hitting-police-10417357.php

Or da Mrs. TAMU Eagle ta be, hey?

Dr. Blackheart · « **Reply #34 on:** October 30, 2016, 09:05:23 AM »

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