2016-17 Roster Released

[ChicosBailBonds]

The game has changed so much, it is a guards game on steroids now....or at least a game where if you have very good shooters (G's and F's) where the math has fundamentally altered the game.  No need for quality centers any longer with the 3 point line, if you can shoot the ball well.

Unless the NCAA is going to move the 3 point line back another few feet, this is the way to go.

[Herman Cain]

The game has changed so much, it is a guards game on steroids now....or at least a game where if you have very good shooters (G's and F's) where the math has fundamentally altered the game.  No need for quality centers any longer with the 3 point line, if you can shoot the ball well.

Unless the NCAA is going to move the 3 point line back another few feet, this is the way to go.

6-9  and up players who can rebound and defend will always be in favor no matter what era. I guarantee if another Maurice Lucas showed up on our doorstep we would take him.

[ChicosBailBonds]

6-9  and up players who can rebound and defend will always be in favor no matter what era. I guarantee if another Maurice Lucas showed up on our doorstep we would take him.

Would we take him, sure....but the math has changed.

If you take 20 three pointers and make 8 of them....40%....you score 24 points.

You would have to make 12 of 20 on two point shots to do the same....60% FG %.


The three pointer has so radically changed the game of basketball that you don't need the bigs you used to need to win.  No way am I saying you can't win traditionally, of course you can.  However, the ways to win with good shooting have changed the dynamic in a revolutionary way.  All comes down to how well you can shoot the 3, of course.  If you can't, then the success rate goes out the door.

[GGGG]

One of the most enjoyable teams of recent era had Lazar starting at center.  Won a lot of games.  Made the tournament.  Now you aren't going to win a championship like that, but you CAN win games being small.  And we still have Luke and Matt so we aren't exactly dinky. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://espn.go.com/ncb/feature/video/_/id/7173790/25th-anniversary-3-point-line

[bilsu]

One of the most enjoyable teams of recent era had Lazar starting at center.  Won a lot of games.  Made the tournament.  Now you aren't going to win a championship like that, but you CAN win games being small.  And we still have Luke and Matt so we aren't exactly dinky.

I guess it depends on what your goal is. If you are satisfied with Sweet 16's and the occasional elite 8, you can be successful playing small ball. However, if your goal is to be a final four team you need a high level bigman.

[GGGG]

I guess it deoends on what your goal is. If you are satisifed with Sweet 16's and the ocassional elite 8, you can be successful playing small ball. However, if your goal is to be a final four team you need a high level bigman.

I'm satisfied with Sweet 16s and the occasional Elite 8.  I'm fairly certain that Marquette will never win a national championship in my lifetime and another Final Four would make me as thrilled as I was in 2003.

[Herman Cain]

I'm satisfied with Sweet 16s and the occasional Elite 8.  I'm fairly certain that Marquette will never win a national championship in my lifetime and another Final Four would make me as thrilled as I was in 2003.

Don't be a settler and satisfied with less.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iunxIzxpWjs

[GGGG]

Eh.  If you are only happy with sports when your team wins a championship, you are going to be unhappy a lot.  Sports isn't life.  It's a fun diversion. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

I guess it deoends on what your goal is. If you are satisifed with Sweet 16's and the ocassional elite 8, you can be successful playing small ball. However, if your goal is to be a final four team you need a high level bigman.

There aren't that many that are out there.  They just don't exist for a school like MU to get them.  Henry was a "big" by size, but he doesn't play like a big.  The basketball world has changed, and even bigs are playing on the perimeter more and more the last decade plus because they have grown up in a world where the 3 point line has always existed.  For the old timers, that's a big change that not everyone has gotten their heads around yet, or willing to accept.  The game has fundamentally changed, plus there just isn't that type of talent available like it used to be because the talent is different....the back to basket big men are in very short supply because of the fundamental changes the game has brought.

[Nukem2]

One of the most enjoyable teams of recent era had Lazar starting at center.  Won a lot of games.  Made the tournament.  Now you aren't going to win a championship like that, but you CAN win games being small.  And we still have Luke and Matt so we aren't exactly dinky.

Worked out well that season, though the lack of size was still a limiting factor.

That team, though, was not that small going into the season with the following:

Yous Mbao 7'2"
Chris Otule 6'11"
Jeronne Maymon 6'7" ( and 250 lb )
Jimmy Butler 6'7"
Joe Fulce 6'7"
Erik Williams 6'7"
Lazar Hayward 6'6"

But, Otule was hurt and Mbao was not ready and Maymon transferred and Fulce was hurting.  So this was not that small a team as originally constructed and intended.  Things worked decently in the end however.

[brewcity77]

Villanova doing it last year gives me actual hope. I am truly hoping for one Marquette title in my lifetime, especially as the last one came when I was barely a month old. Those memories are a bit fuzzy.

[4everwarriors]

Any y'all know watt your lifetime is? Lets start a poll, hey?

[Nukem2]

Any y'all know watt your lifetime is? Lets start a poll, hey?

Ok, Henry.  What's yours.

[rocket surgeon]

Only 5 guys over 200lbs seems ridiculous



2016-17 Roster
Coaches
No.   Name   Ht./Wt.   Pos.   Year   Hometown (High School)
2   Sacar AnimClick here to hear it   6-5/205   G/F   SO   Minneapolis, Minn. (DeLaSalle HS)
21   Traci Carter   6-0/175   G   SO   Philadelphia, Pa. (Life Center Academy)
25   Haanif CheathamClick here to hear it   6-5/190   G   SO   Fort Lauderdale, Fla. (Pembroke Pines HS)
5   Sandy Cohen, III   6-6/200   F   JR   Seymour, Wis. (Seymour HS)
40   Luke Fischer   6-11/245   C   SR   Germantown, Wis. (Germantown HS)
10   Sam Hauser   6-6/210   G   FR   Stevens Point, Wis. (Stevens Point Area HS)
12   Matt Heldt   6-10/250   C   SO   Neenah, Wis. (Neenah HS)
0   Markus Howard   5-11/185   G   FR   Chandler, Ariz. (Findlay Prep)
23   Jajuan JohnsonClick here to hear it   6-5/195   G   SR   Memphis, Tenn. (Southwind HS)
52   Cam Marotta   5-10/165   G   SO   Mequon, Wis. (Homestead HS)
22   Katin Reinhardt   6-6/220   G   GS   Dana Point, Calif. (Mater Dei HS)
30   Andrew Rowsey   5-10/180   G   RS JR   Lexington, Va. (Rockbridge HS)
1   Duane Wilson   6-2/185   G   RS JR   Milwaukee, Wis. (Dominican HS)

i hope these heights are without their slippers heyn'er?  where's the beef?  put a couple of these guys together and they might approach the size of one of davante's thighs heyn'er #2 'ey?

[rocket surgeon]

Would we take him, sure....but the math has changed.

If you take 20 three pointers and make 8 of them....40%....you score 24 points.

You would have to make 12 of 20 on two point shots to do the same....60% FG %.


The three pointer has so radically changed the game of basketball that you don't need the bigs you used to need to win.  No way am I saying you can't win traditionally, of course you can.  However, the ways to win with good shooting have changed the dynamic in a revolutionary way.  All comes down to how well you can shoot the 3, of course.  If you can't, then the success rate goes out the door.

and...where do many of the missed shots go?  boing!! out to about the free throw line or better.  also, they teach them to tap the ball back out as opposed to trying to grab and haul it in.  which player is typically situated outside?

[rocket surgeon]

I guess it depends on what your goal is. If you are satisfied with Sweet 16's and the occasional elite 8, you can be successful playing small ball. However, if your goal is to be a final four team you need a high level bigman.

villanova has done very well without a good center over the years.  as a matter of fact, their 2015-16 roster doesn't even list a center and their tallest guy was 6'11'' forward.  then check this out...we are monstrous compared to the team that just won it all!!  all you need is chances man

http://www.villanova.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/nova-m-baskbl-mtt.html

[hoops12]

I really don't think our weights are ridiculous. Look at the "grown men" that play for the best team in the world. (At any level!) When looking at their top players, their heights and weights are not eye-popping when comparing them to guys on our roster.
                                                                                                                               
   Stephen Curry         6-3   190   ( Duane Wilson   6-2/185)
   Draymond Green       6-7   230   (Katin Reinhardt   6-6/220)
   Andre Iguodala         6-6   215   (Sacar Anim  6-5/205)
   Shaun Livingston      6-7   192  (Sam Hauser   6-6/210)
   Marreese Speights      6-10   255   (Matt Heldt   6-10/250)
   Klay Thompson         6-7   215   (Jajuan Johnson 6-5/195)
  Leandro Barbosa      6-3   194   (Haanif Cheatham 6-5/190)
   Harrison Barnes         6-8   225   (Sandy Cohen, III   6-6/200)
  Andrew Bogut              7-0   260   (Luke Fischer   6-11/245)    

Granted, Howard, Carter, and Rowsey are much smaller in size than anyone of the Warriors team, but the others matchup closely.

Just wanted to provide a different perspective. Now, if we could only shoot it like Golden State. 
       

[GGGG]

hoops I'm glad you brought this up.  GSW is a great example of how a team can win by being undersized.  Of course the way you do that is shooting well, which Marquette hasn't been great at recently, but Wojo seems to be emphasizing this more than Buzz did.

[Herman Cain]

hoops I'm glad you brought this up.  GSW is a great example of how a team can win by being undersized.  Of course the way you do that is shooting well, which Marquette hasn't been great at recently, but Wojo seems to be emphasizing this more than Buzz did.

I like that Wojo brought in Hauser and Howard. Those kids have smooth strokes.

[rocket surgeon]

hoops I'm glad you brought this up.  GSW is a great example of how a team can win by being undersized.  Of course the way you do that is shooting well, which Marquette hasn't been great at recently, but Wojo seems to be emphasizing this more than Buzz did.

love their offense!  lots of ball movement, screens, cutters down the middle, outside opens the inside and vice versa.  maybe wojo did some film watching over the off season?  even if we weren't a total success this year, it will raise some eyebrows.  kids love to play this style and people love to watch it.  you want to see season ticket sales go up?  this style of play was the talk of the country. remember loyola marymount?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2015/03/05/loyola-marymount-hank-gathers-death-25-years-bo-kimble-paul-westhead/24447175/

check out how tiny grinnell college and what is known as the grinnell system changed their program.  because they are a div III program and can't offer scholarships, not much is heard of it.  it was popularized by guess who?  paul westhead


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grinnell_System

[ChicosBailBonds]

hoops I'm glad you brought this up.  GSW is a great example of how a team can win by being undersized.  Of course the way you do that is shooting well, which Marquette hasn't been great at recently, but Wojo seems to be emphasizing this more than Buzz did.

+50

[Jay Bee]

The 3-pointer is an equalizer for weaker teams. It can enable you to win games where you're the lesser team.

Still, many good teams do not rely heavily on the trey. (Think of 1-seeds UNC and Virginia as examples this past March.)

On AVERAGE, the 3-point shot is far more effective than the 2-point shot in terms of eFG%. That's true every year in college bball.

However, the 3-point shot is far more volatile. If you DEPEND too heavily on it, you will lose games you shouldn't.. and win some you shouldn't.

It's stylistic.

I don't believe it's defining of the game overall.

Many truly great team would prefer not to rely heavily on 3-pointers. Too much volatility.

[Herman Cain]

The 3-pointer is an equalizer for weaker teams. It can enable you to win games where you're the lesser team.

Still, many good teams do not rely heavily on the trey. (Think of 1-seeds UNC and Virginia as examples this past March.)

On AVERAGE, the 3-point shot is far more effective than the 2-point shot in terms of eFG%. That's true every year in college bball.

However, the 3-point shot is far more volatile. If you DEPEND too heavily on it, you will lose games you shouldn't.. and win some you shouldn't.

It's stylistic.

I don't believe it's defining of the game overall.

Many truly great team would prefer not to rely heavily on 3-pointers. Too much volatility.

Case in point when Villanova played Oklahoma last season early they shot something like 4 for 32 from 3 and lost big. When they played in the tournament, they shot much better and got the win.

[forgetful]

hoops I'm glad you brought this up.  GSW is a great example of how a team can win by being undersized.  Of course the way you do that is shooting well, which Marquette hasn't been great at recently, but Wojo seems to be emphasizing this more than Buzz did.

How undersized is GSW. 

7'0"  Bogut
6'8"  Barnes
6'7"  Green
6'7"  Thompson
6'3"  Curry

For reference; Cleveland

6'10" Love
6'9" Tristan Thompson
6'8" James
6'6" JR Smith
6'3" Kyrie Irving

Spurs (Big team)

6'11" Duncan
6'11" Aldridge
6'7" Leonard
6'6" Green/Ginobli
6'2" Parker

The GSW power forward (Green) is small height wise for the position, but plays far far bigger than his size.  Overall though GSW is pretty average size in the NBA (as long as Bogut is on the floor).